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    good_logic
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    I do not agree brother,unless I see explanation of all the verses in harmony,consistency and a non contradictory method.
    What I am hearing from you is an opinion and your view . That is fine by me as you are entitled to your views, however I am not convinced according to my study of the verses.
    GOD bless you.
    Peace.

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      Lost
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      Yes this is my opinion as of yet, but it can of course change overtime if necessary. Can you then give me your own take on it ?

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        good_logic
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        My take on "Aquimi Salat" is a time of "contact prayer" with GOD according to what has been originally taught to Abraham- Wa Awhaina Ilaihim fihla Al Kheirat Wa Iquami Salat...- In turn Abraham taught it to his family and subsequent generations up to now.
        In short "Aquimi Salat" is a "contact prayer" shown to Abraham (He was the first to be taught the details/steps),then it came through to us by "parents teaching children" ...When things got added/taken away, GOD kept correcting through messengers up to Qoran.

        Qoran confirms this and corrects what has been changed- Thumma Awhaina ilaika Ani Ittabih Millata Abraham...- i.e The prophet/messenger of Qoran carried on the practice through to us.

        Why a "Contact prayer"? Qoran gives the reason as "feeding our soul/grow our soul" for the day of judgement( Thakulat mawazinuhu)through this i.e GOD s remembrance and our reflection on our ways/conduct.

        Is it important? More important things are "Sirat Mustaqueem and having good conduct and good morals" They are the "worship /Ibada" according to Qoran

        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          Lost
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          So it could as well fit the ''gathering'' thing, in the sens that you can do your salat alone or alone in group and salat in these cases is reciation of quran/remembrance of god, basically anything to feed your soul like you say. I guess you would agree that you can perform these contact prayers as you wish. But the concept seems to be of a certain importance given the recurrent mentions of ''aquimu salat'' in the quran...

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            Wakas
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            peace GL,

            Please provide Quran verses to evidence your statements

            '...according to what has been originally taught to Abraham...

            In turn Abraham taught it to his family and subsequent generations up to now.

            Abraham (He was the first to be taught the details/steps),then it came through to us by "parents teaching children"

            When things got added/taken away, GOD kept correcting through messengers up to Qoran.

            Qoran confirms this and corrects what has been changed

            The prophet/messenger of Qoran carried on the practice through to us.

            Why a "Contact prayer"? Qoran gives the reason as "feeding our soul/grow our soul" for the day of judgement( Thakulat mawazinuhu)through this i.e GOD s remembrance and our reflection on our ways/conduct.

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              good_logic
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              Peace Wakas.
              I have provided you with verses on this topic numerous times in the past( 1440,2173,16123, 835,2014, and many other verses) . Please look for them through the search button.
              Also I do not see your logic in asking me to provide evidence for "my take" on topics,when I say it is my view. You can take it or leave it.
              But I am always.0*958 5h9+-appy to provide verses from Qoran.
              GOD bless you.
              Peace.

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                good_logic
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                Peace Lost.
                Like I said to Wakas, it is my view and one has to study Qoran and get their understanding from its verses.
                I do my "salat" at home at this moment. I do not go to a mosque as I do not agree with their take on the deen. In my opinion it is not dedicated to GOD Alone and some of what they do contradicts instructions of Qoran.
                I see my relationship with GOD Alone as personal . I try my best (Ma Istataatum) to follow a peaceful life with all the denominations as instructed by Qoran.
                GOD bless you.
                Peace.

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                  good_logic
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                  Yes ,with pleasure
                  Numerous verses throughout the Quran inform us that the Contact Prayers were in existence, intact, and practised before the advent of Muhammad ( 835 & 954).
                  All positions of the Contact Prayers are found in the Quran, including the standing position (339, 399), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (243, 343, 9112, 2226, 2277). after preparation for it(56)

                  The mosques have got the part of the rukoo and sujud correct as far as I can tell. It is the "shirk" part of calling other than GOD Alone in their Salat (Like Mohammed and Ibrahim)that I do not agree with(7227).
                  For me it is not rocket Science,the "gymnastics" of Iquami Salat have been well preserved generation after generation.
                  GOD bless you.
                  Peace.

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                    good_logic
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                    Like many other disciplines,it is good for our body and soul.

                    Can you make any sense of other physical movements that humans do in all sorts of other sports/games...etc?

                    Both our body and mind need exercise and nourishment.
                    Our Creator knows our needs in both our physical and spiritual bodies.
                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Like many other disciplines,it is good for our body and soul.

                      Can you make any sense of other physical movements that humans do in all sorts of other sports/games...etc?

                      Both our body and mind need exercise and nourishment.
                      Our Creator knows our needs in both our physical and spiritual bodies.
                      GOD bless you.
                      Peace.

                      Of course.

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                      (a) Standing; manners for this posture;

                      (b) Suspension of physical protocol in certain situations

                      (c) Segmental shortening of protocol in certain situations

                      (d) Kneeling Gesture of surrender and submission of Spinal Cord.

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                      highest communicative dynamism

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