Is Swine Hallal
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Peace,
Has anyone who says swine has been sanctioned by God taken this advice? I have, I?ve asked those who say they have the torah and no it?s not in the law. It?s Talmud. That was easy!
http//www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm
In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
TORAH (The Law)
Bereishith (In the beginning...) (Genesis)
Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)
Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)
Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)
Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that part the hoof the camel, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because she cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, she is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you.My jewish neighbour, a professor in hebrew uni, told us quite clearly that the dietary restrictions come from the LAW, apparently it seems correct, that was easy!
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JAXAL,
You expect everyone to spoon feed you. Brother dont be scared of doing an actual research http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif. Look it up in the Quran. Inshallah God will guide you.
SaLaM PB
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While Allah does tell us to refer to prior books, it is not in total, but for a specific matter.Like the matter of pig. Especially since you are very misguided about this issue. So take God's advice and don't feel ashamed about your lack of knoeledge, brother.
LOL!! You made a claim about the pig, now you do your own research and back it up, you must be kidding. You see, you talk too much and now, as with every thing else, you look foolish. Post the ayat where Allah tells us to refer to the Torah, specifically, concerning the pig.
Right now, your posts are NONSENSICAL. But inshallah God will guide you. I want to help that is why i am asking you to look it up yourself. BTW, i didnt know you were a psychologist. My psychologist couldnt help me. Maybe you can http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif
It is apparent at this point that something is reall wrong with you psychologically. Seek professional help. It is also apparent that you are not the least the bit interested in examining the subject under discussion. Your agenda is to simply undermine and cause fitna. This is my last post to you as you simply a waste of time.
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Peace,
My jewish neighbour, a professor in hebrew uni, told us quite clearly that the dietary restrictions come from the LAW, apparently it seems correct, that was easy!
That?s unacceptable. Did he show you and provide an analysis? I think not. God did not say ask a Jew to tell you his opinion. He says they are liars. Tell them to bring the proof from the Torah. I didn't say silly easy. I said easy as in doable.
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Thor,
No matter how much you want to re-work ayat 6146, it still will come out the same way...
Neither you, SC, Tanveer, Jaxal, Sweden, or anyone else for that matter, per the following ayat, can make something haram. Only Allah makes something haram or halal
16116 And, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) This is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall not prosper.
LOL!! You can stop bringing up the "only" red herring now, it won't work. I rescinded my use of "only", remember?
LOL!! Here, repeat the following ayat and syllogism...say...10,000 times, because it's probably going to take that before its meaning even begins sinks into your brain. Stop posting for a few months and devote your time to this task. lol
6146 And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truth.
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.
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SaLaM My Dear Brother
This whole thread is fitna. Lollllllllllll . Once again you ask people to spoon feed you becoz you are too lazy to do it on ur own. God does not love those who are lazy. You need to start putting effor in to change around ur NONSENSICAL posts and start making sense brother. Dont be misguided by ur personel feelings. There is no shame in being wrong.
BTW, professional help didnt help me. I was hoping you can use YOUR expertise and help me here? Loll This whole thread is a therapy for me. lol lol
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SC,
- Jews in 6146 were ONLY given these restrictions and thats it. Therefore we can eat PIG! W00t!!!!1 5) Others No we can't there is no ONLY there...and those were not the only ones, but additional ones, otherwise explain blood, dead meat etc.
The use of "only" was rescinded. LOL! Why are you still carrying that smelly dead body around? Nothing else to say, eh?
- Ooops, gotta cover our tracks...well there is an EVERY! Yes, problem solved.
Nope, it's called...correcting one's position. Something which you have, thus far anyway, proven you are constitutionally unable to do.
- Others The EVERY animal with claws does NOT refer to PIGS! It refers to every animal with claws...damn, it's like OBVIOUS.
LOL Hysterically!! Well, you finally got it! What took you so long? "The EVERY animal with claws does NOT refer to PIGS", because pigs don't have CLAWS! You're right, it is totally obvious! Allah, made haram to the Jews an entire category of animals.... those with claws, hence, it can't be referring to pigs, because as an animal...it has no claws, duh?.
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.
Get it? D
But, if you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe YOUR OWN EYES.
Here's a very simple proof
Tell us, have YOU ever seen a pig with claws? Yes or no?
Btw, until you, Thor, and Jaxal, truly come to understand the meaning of the term logic, you should simply drop the term from your vocabulary, because you guys are simply abusing the term at this point.
8 ) Well, let's address this point later! There are more pressing issues to deal with indeed...during this hullabaloo, no one notices that the language the quran came down in is sneakily being ignored.
Hmmm...why not right now? wink
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Others Grammatically, Flesh (or Flash as some like to call it) I see bad is not working, it is also redundant and making the literary quality suffer, as well as causing problems when used on it's own in 560.
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What! There is no need for grammar! What, redundancy! That's canard! The quran repeats itself all the time! We must not be grammar experts! We can obviate the need to reach the correct conclusion by ignoring grammar/linguistics of the language it came down in!
Grammar cannot contradict the Ayats of Allah, nor, does the interanl grammar of Al-Quran contradict the Ayats, this is simply impossible. The grammar explanation offered by Someone, contradicts the Ayats of Allah. Now, either Allah's Ayats are wrong or the grammar explanation is misunderstood. Which do you think it is?
Btw, Danish, posted an excellent understanding of khinzerin in a prior post. I suggest that you look at and study it...you might get it then. D
IF THE CLAW DON'T FIT...YOU MUST ACQUIT! lol
GOT PIG? lol
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Peace,
That?s unacceptable. Did he show you and provide an analysis? I think not. God did not say ask a Jew to tell you his opinion. He says they are liars. Tell them to bring the proof from the Torah. I didn't say silly easy. I said easy as in doable.
I have, I?ve asked those who say they have the torah and no it?s not in the law. It?s Talmud. That was easy!
http//www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm
In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
TORAH (The Law)
Bereishith (In the beginning...) (Genesis)
Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)
Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)
Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)
Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that part the hoof the camel, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because she cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, she is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you.If you have any proof please post it instead of quoting mysterious sources and asking jews/those who have the torah yourself.
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Peace all,
LOL Hysterically!! Well, you finally got it! What took you so long? "The EVERY animal with claws does NOT refer to PIGS", because pigs don't have CLAWS! You're right, it is totally obvious! Allah, made haram to the Jews an entire category of animals.... those with claws, hence, it can't be referring to pigs, because as an animal...it has no claws, duh?.
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No? serious
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Peace all,
LOL Hysterically!! Well, you finally got it! What took you so long? "The EVERY animal with claws does NOT refer to PIGS", because pigs don't have CLAWS! You're right, it is totally obvious! Allah, made haram to the Jews an entire category of animals.... those with claws, hence, it can't be referring to pigs, because as an animal...it has no claws, duh?.
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No? serious
I don't know...do you?
Now,
Have you EVER seen a pig with claws, yes or no?
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SC,
- Others But...but...the definition, the language...sentence structure! There is no smell in there! It has to do with sight! Flash I SEE bad remember!
Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.
My jewish neighbour, a professor in hebrew uni, told us quite clearly that the dietary restrictions come from the LAW, apparently it seems correct, that was easy!
Do you know or don't you? "Apparently", is guess work.
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Peace all,
Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?
I don't know...do you?
Thats the crux of PB's argument down the drain. Read the posts in this thread in case one hasn't for my answer.
Do you know or don't you? "Apparently", is guess work.
Read the link incase it escaped you. Guesswork is something that YOU like to do according to your quote above.
Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.
How would a physically blind person know the animal was strangled? By playing sherlock holmes? How would they know it's dead meat or slaughtered meat? How would they know it's even meat or synthesized veggie burgers? What an idiotic question.
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Peace,
If you have any proof please post it instead of quoting mysterious sources and asking jews/those who have the torah yourself.
You say you have access to a professor whom you obviously have ?faith? in his scholarship, let him prove it to you. I don?t know if he is a student of the torah or only Hebrew, you decide.
I will give you one hint. They have not yet after 2000 years been able to prove to those who call themselves Christian scholars that this injunction against consuming swine is an unbreakable, infallible, rational order from God for mankind given first to the Jews.
Do you think they haven?t tried? No one wants to be thought a fool, only religionists don?t mind. They think have the ?key? to the kingdom, blind following.
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SC,
Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?
I don't know...do you?
SC Thats the crux of PB's argument down the drain. Read the posts in this thread in case one hasn't for my answer.
LOL!! My, God. Listen, your sleight of hand will not work. The crux of my argument is what I know and NOT what I do not know. What I know is the following
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.
Now, are you going to call Allah a liar?
Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.
How would a physically blind person know the animal was strangled? By playing sherlock holmes? How would they know it's dead meat or slaughtered meat? How would they know it's even meat or synthesized veggie burgers? What an idiotic question.
How do you know you KNOW the above?
When are you going demonstrate your much vaunted "integrity" and answer the following
A. But, if you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe YOUR OWN EYES.
Here's a very simple proof
Tell us, have YOU ever seen a pig with claws? Yes or no?
B. Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.
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SaLaM PB
SC asked a very crusicial question
Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?
To which, not supprisingly, you answered
I don't know
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.Brother, dont make wild assumptions and guesswork. Read the Torah if you get the time. Specifically read . And you will see ur ridiculous assumptions going up in smoke. There is no shame to be wrong. Dont be a fool and keep repeating your mistakes. We are all trying to help you here brother.
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Peace,
You say you have access to a professor whom you obviously have ?faith? in his scholarship
If I had only faith to go on, I wouldn't have posted information as well now would I? You posted something saying it's NOT in the Torah. I posted some information, would you refute it then? Would you post your references that prove this swine injunction is NOT in the torah?
I will give you one hint. They have not yet after 2000 years been able to prove to those who call themselves Christian scholars that this injunction against consuming swine is an unbreakable, infallible, rational order from God for mankind given first to the Jews.
Hints? Christian scholars? What the?
Do you think they haven?t tried? No one wants to be thought a fool, only religionists don?t mind. They think have the ?key? to the kingdom, blind following.
Er, yeah okay...I would like you to cut to the chase, if that's okay with you? You posted a quote
I have, I?ve asked those who say they have the torah and no it?s not in the law. It?s Talmud. That was easy!
Now, do you have any resources that prove that it's not in the torah but in the talmud as that is the point of the discussion at hand and your first quote.
If you have any interesting reading regarding this subject though, I would be more than happy to read it and make up my own mind after.
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SC,
Are you going to duck my last post to you or are you going to show us how much integrity you have and answer the questions?
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SaLaM PB
Are you going to duck my last post to you or are you going to show us how much integrity you have and answer the questions?
Show us???
How many of you are there? Dont ask someone for integrety when you yourself dont have it. Brother there is no shame learn from other people. I sujjest, reading the Quran without your personel agenda.
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SC,
Don't use jaxal, as an excuse not to answer what is put to you.
SAVAGE C. My answers have been what they've always been...have the courtesy and integrity to answer other people's points...
Well, keep you're word and respond to the following
SC,
Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?
I don't know...do you?
SC Thats the crux of PB's argument down the drain. Read the posts in this thread in case one hasn't for my answer.
LOL!! My, God. Listen, your sleight of hand will not work. The crux of my argument is what I know and NOT what I do not know. What I know is the following
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.
Now, are you going to call Allah a liar?
Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.
How would a physically blind person know the animal was strangled? By playing sherlock holmes? How would they know it's dead meat or slaughtered meat? How would they know it's even meat or synthesized veggie burgers? What an idiotic question.
How do you know you KNOW the above?
A. But, if you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe YOUR OWN EYES.
Here's a very simple proof
Tell us, have YOU ever seen a pig with claws? Yes or no?
B. Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.
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SaLaM PB
Are you going to duck my last post to you or are you going to show us how much integrity you have and answer the questions?
Show us???
How many of you are there? Dont ask someone for integrety when you yourself dont have it. Brother there is no shame learn from other people. I sujjest, reading the Quran without your personel agenda.
jaxal, get professional help...ASAP.