Is Swine Hallal

unknownuser

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savage_carrot

Peace,

That?s unacceptable. Did he show you and provide an analysis? I think not. God did not say ask a Jew to tell you his opinion. He says they are liars. Tell them to bring the proof from the Torah. I didn't say silly easy. I said easy as in doable.

I have, I?ve asked those who say they have the torah and no it?s not in the law. It?s Talmud. That was easy!

http//www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm

In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

TORAH (The Law)

Bereishith (In the beginning...) (Genesis)
Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)
Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)
Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)
Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)

4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that part the hoof the camel, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because she cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, she is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you.

If you have any proof please post it instead of quoting mysterious sources and asking jews/those who have the torah yourself.

savage_carrot

Peace all,

LOL Hysterically!! Well, you finally got it! What took you so long? "The EVERY animal with claws does NOT refer to PIGS", because pigs don't have CLAWS! You're right, it is totally obvious! Allah, made haram to the Jews an entire category of animals.... those with claws, hence, it can't be referring to pigs, because as an animal...it has no claws, duh?.
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.

Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No? serious

unknownuser

Peace all,

LOL Hysterically!! Well, you finally got it! What took you so long? "The EVERY animal with claws does NOT refer to PIGS", because pigs don't have CLAWS! You're right, it is totally obvious! Allah, made haram to the Jews an entire category of animals.... those with claws, hence, it can't be referring to pigs, because as an animal...it has no claws, duh?.
A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.

Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No? serious

I don't know...do you?

Now,

Have you EVER seen a pig with claws, yes or no?

unknownuser

SC,

Others But...but...the definition, the language...sentence structure! There is no smell in there! It has to do with sight! Flash I SEE bad remember!

Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.

My jewish neighbour, a professor in hebrew uni, told us quite clearly that the dietary restrictions come from the LAW, apparently it seems correct, that was easy!

Do you know or don't you? "Apparently", is guess work.

savage_carrot

Peace all,

Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?

I don't know...do you?

Thats the crux of PB's argument down the drain. Read the posts in this thread in case one hasn't for my answer.

Do you know or don't you? "Apparently", is guess work.

Read the link incase it escaped you. Guesswork is something that YOU like to do according to your quote above.

Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.

How would a physically blind person know the animal was strangled? By playing sherlock holmes? How would they know it's dead meat or slaughtered meat? How would they know it's even meat or synthesized veggie burgers? What an idiotic question.

Grourself

Peace,

If you have any proof please post it instead of quoting mysterious sources and asking jews/those who have the torah yourself.

You say you have access to a professor whom you obviously have ?faith? in his scholarship, let him prove it to you. I don?t know if he is a student of the torah or only Hebrew, you decide.

I will give you one hint. They have not yet after 2000 years been able to prove to those who call themselves Christian scholars that this injunction against consuming swine is an unbreakable, infallible, rational order from God for mankind given first to the Jews.

Do you think they haven?t tried? No one wants to be thought a fool, only religionists don?t mind. They think have the ?key? to the kingdom, blind following.

unknownuser

SC,

Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?

I don't know...do you?

SC Thats the crux of PB's argument down the drain. Read the posts in this thread in case one hasn't for my answer.

LOL!! My, God. Listen, your sleight of hand will not work. The crux of my argument is what I know and NOT what I do not know. What I know is the following

A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.

B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.

c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.

Now, are you going to call Allah a liar?

Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.

How would a physically blind person know the animal was strangled? By playing sherlock holmes? How would they know it's dead meat or slaughtered meat? How would they know it's even meat or synthesized veggie burgers? What an idiotic question.

How do you know you KNOW the above?

When are you going demonstrate your much vaunted "integrity" and answer the following

A. But, if you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe YOUR OWN EYES.

Here's a very simple proof

Tell us, have YOU ever seen a pig with claws? Yes or no?

B. Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.

Jaxal

SaLaM PB

SC asked a very crusicial question

Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?

To which, not supprisingly, you answered

I don't know
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.

Brother, dont make wild assumptions and guesswork. Read the Torah if you get the time. Specifically read . And you will see ur ridiculous assumptions going up in smoke. There is no shame to be wrong. Dont be a fool and keep repeating your mistakes. We are all trying to help you here brother.

savage_carrot

Peace,

You say you have access to a professor whom you obviously have ?faith? in his scholarship

If I had only faith to go on, I wouldn't have posted information as well now would I? You posted something saying it's NOT in the Torah. I posted some information, would you refute it then? Would you post your references that prove this swine injunction is NOT in the torah?

I will give you one hint. They have not yet after 2000 years been able to prove to those who call themselves Christian scholars that this injunction against consuming swine is an unbreakable, infallible, rational order from God for mankind given first to the Jews.

Hints? Christian scholars? What the?

Do you think they haven?t tried? No one wants to be thought a fool, only religionists don?t mind. They think have the ?key? to the kingdom, blind following.

Er, yeah okay...I would like you to cut to the chase, if that's okay with you? You posted a quote

I have, I?ve asked those who say they have the torah and no it?s not in the law. It?s Talmud. That was easy!

Now, do you have any resources that prove that it's not in the torah but in the talmud as that is the point of the discussion at hand and your first quote.

If you have any interesting reading regarding this subject though, I would be more than happy to read it and make up my own mind after.

unknownuser

SC,

Are you going to duck my last post to you or are you going to show us how much integrity you have and answer the questions?

Jaxal

SaLaM PB

Are you going to duck my last post to you or are you going to show us how much integrity you have and answer the questions?

Show us???

How many of you are there? Dont ask someone for integrety when you yourself dont have it. Brother there is no shame learn from other people. I sujjest, reading the Quran without your personel agenda.

unknownuser

SC,

Don't use jaxal, as an excuse not to answer what is put to you.

SAVAGE C. My answers have been what they've always been...have the courtesy and integrity to answer other people's points...

Well, keep you're word and respond to the following

SC,

Was 6146 the ONLY restrictions on Jews? Yes OR No?

I don't know...do you?

SC Thats the crux of PB's argument down the drain. Read the posts in this thread in case one hasn't for my answer.

LOL!! My, God. Listen, your sleight of hand will not work. The crux of my argument is what I know and NOT what I do not know. What I know is the following

A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.

B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.

c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.

Now, are you going to call Allah a liar?

Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.

How would a physically blind person know the animal was strangled? By playing sherlock holmes? How would they know it's dead meat or slaughtered meat? How would they know it's even meat or synthesized veggie burgers? What an idiotic question.

How do you know you KNOW the above?

A. But, if you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe YOUR OWN EYES.

Here's a very simple proof

Tell us, have YOU ever seen a pig with claws? Yes or no?

B. Tell us, how would a physically blind person, know if he/she were eating pork or if meat were bad? Remember, they can't see it.

unknownuser

SaLaM PB

Are you going to duck my last post to you or are you going to show us how much integrity you have and answer the questions?

Show us???

How many of you are there? Dont ask someone for integrety when you yourself dont have it. Brother there is no shame learn from other people. I sujjest, reading the Quran without your personel agenda.

jaxal, get professional help...ASAP.

Jaxal

SaLaM My Brother

Look brother, You need to understand that we are all trying to help you here. You are misguided and confused. Dont push our help away. This what God says. Seek knowledge. Your posts are getting weaker and weaker by the minute. For example

Don't use jaxal, as an excuse not to answer what is put to you.

She didnt roll . It is you who is runny away from answering our questions. And we can understand that right now you dont have the knowledge. But ATLEAST make the effor to learn. There is no shame in having no knowledge. But only a fool argues with hollow arguments. Plz brother, dont be a fool.

Grourself

Peace,

Grourself wrote
You say you have access to a professor whom you obviously have ?faith? in his scholarship

If I had only faith to go on, I wouldn't have posted information as well now would I? You posted something saying it's NOT in the Torah. I posted some information, would you refute it then? Would you post your references that prove this swine injunction is NOT in the torah?
Grourself wrote
I will give you one hint. They have not yet after 2000 years been able to prove to those who call themselves Christian scholars that this injunction against consuming swine is an unbreakable, infallible, rational order from God for mankind given first to the Jews.

Hints? Christian scholars? What the?
Grourself wrote
Do you think they haven?t tried? No one wants to be thought a fool, only religionists don?t mind. They think have the ?key? to the kingdom, blind following.

Er, yeah okay...I would like you to cut to the chase, if that's okay with you? You posted a quote
Grourself wrote
I have, I?ve asked those who say they have the torah and no it?s not in the law. It?s Talmud. That was easy!

Now, do you have any resources that prove that it's not in the torah but in the talmud as that is the point of the discussion at hand and your first quote.

If you have any interesting reading regarding this subject though, I would be more than happy to read it and make up my own mind after.

Peace,

I see, you have more than faith but you have not posted what this is and you cannot percieve of scholarship in any field but something you agree is worthy.

Anyway?

Here are a couple of reference books you may like to check.

The Complete Biblical Library The Old Testament Hebrew English Dictionary
World Library Press Inc. Springfield Missouri Inc. USA- The Book Of Leviticus Page 2480 Article 2478

Hastings Dictionary Of The Bible
Edited by James Hastings 1963
Page 943

savage_carrot

Peace,

I see, you have more than faith but you have not posted what this is and you cannot percieve of scholarship in any field but something you agree is worthy.

Anyway?

Here are a couple of reference books you may like to check.

The Complete Biblical Library The Old Testament Hebrew English Dictionary
World Library Press Inc. Springfield Missouri Inc. USA- The Book Of Leviticus Page 2480 Article 2478

Thank you for the links, I will definitely look into this when I can.
Best Regards.

unknownuser

13 pages on this thread and still going? -wow what a swine of a thread!! -)

Regards,

Jaxal

SaLaM LT

Yea 13 pages of PB's NONSENSICAL posts.

savage_carrot

Peace all,

PB wants me to answer two questions.

Do pigs have claws?
Can the blind tell bad meat?

Right. You know it's over when these questions are all thats left.

A. the Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws.
B. the animal pig...doesn't have claws.
c. THEREFORE, the animal pig, was not haram for them.

PB says he doesn't know what else the Jews were forbidden other than 6146.
The Jews were forbidden to eat animals with claws as per 6146.
The animal pig doesn't have claws. (cutting edge deduction there...)

HUGE LEAP TO

THEREFORE, pig was not forbidden for the Jews!

I don't even have to explain this one. It's as clear as day.