Is Swine Hallal
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Peace Jaxal,
Dont be stupid. Research the subject then post. FDA , the same organisation that authorizes the use of drugs that kill millions. I wouldnt trust it as far as throwing it.
Why don't you do the same (research and study) and post a link that states your bizzare assertions as to pig's being fed human excretions in farms, zoos and whereever they are domesticated for consumption, rather than calling names. Until then, you have no case.
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SaLaM Danish
Please dont take offense to what i said. But im not going to spoon feed you. I found articles on the web supporting my statment within 2 minutes. Type www.Google.com and begin searching.
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Peace Jaxal,
Please dont take offense to what i said. But im not going to spoon feed you. I found articles on the web supporting my statment within 2 minutes. Type www.Google.com and begin searching.
The burden of proof as to your wonderland claims lies upon you, so prove it and stop insulting and dodging around. If you found the articles, then bring forth for everyone here to read, simple as that. I'd like to witness these farms and zoos that feed human excretions to pigs.
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SaLaM Danish
Once again, you want others to spoon feed you. How many times have you provided some evidence to back up ur statments when you "debunking" other peoples' statments? So, you want the proof, do the research yourself. I know its there. Now go fetch it.
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SaLaM Danish
Once again, you want others to spoon feed you. How many times have you provided some evidence to back up ur statments when you "debunking" other peoples' statments? So, you want the proof, do the research yourself. I know its there. Now go fetch it.
As I figured, duck and dodge, like your compadre Tanveer. You have no case.
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SaLaM Danish
You need to drop the act. You and bomkei want to be spoon fed about everything. The first time im asking you to do some actual research, and you go all drama queen on me. Bomkie did the same. Both of your posts are mostly jumble of words which lack any intelligeble meanings.
Dont take offence to this post plz.
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Peace Jaxal,
You need to drop the act. You and bomkei want to be spoon fed about everything. The first time im asking you to do some actual research, and you go all drama queen on me. Bomkie did the same. Both of your posts are mostly jumble of words which lack any intelligeble meanings.
Dont take offence to this post plz.
While I'm already aware of pigs eating garbage and human faeces, I also know that such incidents only occur in underdeveloped regions or uncontrolled environments where exposure of human and as well as other animal defecations and waste, to pigs AND OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL, when consumed, directly or indirectly, can be harmful. That is certainly not the point of discussion and neither does it mean that all farms, zoos and other domestication of pigs and other animals fall under the same rules and environments.
All animals, including plants, fruits, vegetables and beverages, can be detrimental to health when exposed to unhygienic and uncontrolled conditions/environments. Even under controlled situations, all edibles detoriate at one point, hence the effective/expiration dates. Certainly then, animal meat is not bad/infectious by creation/origin but by given situations and case by case scenarios. Pigs is just one such case, as are other animals. To insist that pigs are the only animals whose meat beomes bad because of such and such exposure, and hence forbidden to eat, is not even an intelligent guess nor a wise thought, regardless of what the Arabic grammar rule dictate.
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SaLaM Danish
Im not talking about force feeding the pig human excretion. The pig wont know the difference between human excretion and a healthy fruit. It will eat ANYTHING. THAT is the point. A monkey dont eat human excretion. A dog dont eat human excreation or its own. BUT A PIG WILL. Had you done your research instead of posting ridiculous information, you would have known this a long time ago. But again, i have ended up spoon feeding you.
A pig will eat human excretion and its own excretion with no problems. It dont give a hoot if its a vegetable or its own excretion. IT WILL EAT IT. That is why God forbids pig.
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Peace Jaxal,
A dog dont eat human excreation or its own.
Actually my uncle's dog eats its own excrement over and over again. It also eats rocks and eats through the wooden fence.
Anyways, animals will eat alot of things that I consider nasty to eat.
Good point there Joe. Jaxal, are you even aware or have you observed that dogs, cats and other animals including birds lick their own excretions to cleanse their abdominal parts? Now its your turn to go do some serious research. Besides, as if you know every animal on earth as to what they eat and don't eat and in what circumstance/environment. I don't give a hoot as to what animals eat or don't eat. All I know, that pig's meat is NOT bad by it very nature/creation/origin unless exposed to uncontrolled and unhygienic environments and that goes for all animals. That is the crux of the matter, understand. Give up dude, you don't have a penny's case.
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PEACE, JOE,
Salaam,
A dog dont eat human excreation or its own.
Actually my uncle's dog eats its own excrement over and over again. It also eats rocks and eats through the wooden fence.
Anyways, animals will eat alot of things that I consider nasty to eat.
Joe
LOL!! man, this is great; just can't make this stuff up LOL!
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SaLaM Danish
I dont know who said that he/she saw his/her cat it eats own kitten. And then a hamster eating its own baby as well. No other animal is known to eat its own excretion and human's excretion. The pig is the animal KNOWN to eat its own excretion AND human's excretion. Name me another animal who does this naturally like the pig.
Joe, how many other dog have you ever come across eatng their excretion. In pakistan, we had a dog and he never ate its own excretion. That becoz dogs dont do it naturally. A pig, on the other hand, will do it naturally. It lives in its own excretion and it will eat its own excretion AND human's excretion, NATURALLY. You cant dispute that. Danish cant dispute that. No one can dispute that.
So danish, looks like you dont know much. Again, i will advice you to do your reserch on a topic before posting meaningless information. Simply being ignorant of the fact dont make it a case or an argument. Lollllll
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Salam Jaxal,
A pig, on the other hand, will do it naturally. It lives in its own excretion and it will eat its own excretion AND human's excretion, NATURALLY. You cant dispute that. Danish cant dispute that. No one can dispute that.
So danish, looks like you dont know much. Again, i will advice you to do your reserch on a topic before posting meaningless information. Simply being ignorant of the fact dont make it a case or an argument. Lollllll
I don't need to repeat this to you again and again, but you have NO CASE whatsoever to back-up your wonderland claims, period. Read and understand my second last post again, in case it just might click. Until then, adios. oops -
Salaam Jaxal,
It looked natural enough to me. I'm sure a dog would prefer other food, but it seemed to enjoy eating its own excrement since it was done so often. This was actually my uncle's old dog, which was killed in Puerto Rico, who did this. However, his new dog has been known to do this on occassion as well.
Joe
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Peace Jaxal,
Good point there Joe. Jaxal, are you even aware or have you observed that dogs, cats and other animals including birds lick their own excretions to cleanse their abdominal parts?
It looked natural enough to me. I'm sure a dog would prefer other food, but it seemed to enjoy eating its own excrement since it was done so often. This was actually my uncle's old dog, which was killed in Puerto Rico, who did this. However, his new dog has been known to do this on occassion as well.
My dog eats its own excretion, from what I've seen other dogs do too, I don't think the pig is the only one
Here's a world of information for you to dig in and go steady-ing
http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=animals+eating+faeces&btnG=Google+Searchhttp//www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=animals+eating+manure
http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=animal+diseases
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Peace PRIEST_BOKMIE,
I must have fallen short to have noticed this post without giving credence. My bad. oops
Thank you for your kind words, much appreciated. I have to confess though that, while I am relentless, and I take full total credit for that!, I cannot take credit for the current topic of discussion. As I said earlier, it was my good fortune, all praises due to Allah, to find myself in the company of Hamza and Nadia Abdul Malik (two exceptional people all across the board), who, nearly a year ago, introduced me to this understanding.
If I recall correctly, I may have read Hamza?s and Nadia?s excellent posts on MWU, faithfreedom.org or elsewhere, but I?m not sure. The names sound familiar. I wonder if they have been introduced or participated here on this site. Nevertheless, you did a marvelous job in presenting their understanding, which took many of us here by surprise, at first, as it seems.
I do hope that members here understand the gist of this presentation objectively, relatively, logically and ofcourse naturally, by reason and open mindedness, for which this forum represents in venturing out to better understand the Quran?s pristine message.
It was also my good fortune, all praises due to Allah, when a young woman from Boston, asked me if I had read the ARAB CONSPIRACY AGAINST AL-ISLAM. This book really opened my eyes as to why I had so many unanswered questions regarding Al-Islam.
Ditto, friend.
I am also fortunate, all praises due to Allah, to have you as a friend and someone I can count on to be critical, as well as, supportive.
Awe man, that is really nice of you and much gratified. I am also quite fortunate to have you, side by side as a friend; a critical thinker and supportive vis-?-vis objective discussions. There are, no doubts, quite a handful here that are compassionate, understanding, intelligent and supportive. Alhamdu-lillah.
Take care and GOD bless.
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Peace all,
According to 327, The God created everything excellently, meaning the form and craftsmanship. A thing could be made excellently but may not be good for some function. Human analogy would be for example a common car, which could be made excellently but is not good for travelling over water or flying through air.
Similarly a pig is made excellently by The God, with excellent physiology, anatomy, biochemical reactions, excellent nervous system, digestive system, cardiopulmonary system etc., but is not good for human consumption. The God has "ahsana" all creation, does not mean that all creation is "tayyib" for humans, or that a certain creation cannot be "rijsun" for humans.
If all creation is good as per PB's misinterpretation, then ill seeming/bad/dirty/rotten meat also has to be good, but then that would contradict 6145 where even if lahma khinzeerin means ill seeming meat, it is still called "rijsun". According to PB's misinterpretation, ALL creation is good, so NOTHING can be "rijsun", but The God calls a few things "rijsun" which would be a contradiction. Another GRAVE contradiction created by PB's misinterpretation.
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Peace all,
THREE GRAVE CONTRADICTIONS CREATED BY PB's MISINTERPRETATIONS
PB's misinterpretations have created at least three MAJOR and GRAVE contradictions in the Qur'aan. Following are the 3 contradictions
FIRST GRAVE CONTRADICTION
6146 AND for the Jews We have forbidden all that have claws; and from the cattle and the sheep We forbade their fat except what is attached to the back, or entrails, or mixed with bone. That is a punishment for their rebellion, and We are truthful.
In 6146 there is NO mention of dead animals, blood, "lahma khinzeerin", and "what is dedicated to other than Allah" (the food part) as being haram for Jews.
55 Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them;
According to 55, the food of the people of the scripture is lawful to the believers.
According to 6146, DEAD ANIMALS, BLOOD, "LAHMA KHINZEERIN", and "WHAT IS DEDICATED TO OTHER THAN ALLAH" (the food part), are lawful to Jews, as they are not mentioned in the haram categories of food for Jews, and is considered included in the food of the people of the scripture.
Therefore, it follows that per 55, DEAD ANIMALS, BLOOD, "LAHMA KHINZEERIN", and "WHAT IS DEDICATED TO OTHER THAN ALLAH" (the food part), are lawful to the believers, because it is the food of the people of the scripture ("What is dedicated to other than Allah" also includes FOOD that is dedicated to other than Allah).
But then, THAT WILL CONTRADICT 2173, 53, 6145, and 16115.
These 4 ayaat/signs CLEARLY say that the following are HARAM/FORBIDDEN for believers
- Dead animals
- Blood
- Lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri/khinzeerin
- What is dedicated to other than Allah
But these 4 categories of food are not mentioned in 6146 as being haram/forbidden for Jews, therefore being halal/lawful for them, and as per 55 would be halal/lawful for the believers.
THAT CREATES A GRAVE AND SERIOUS CONTRADICTION IN QUR'AAN
Does not matter what "lahma khinzeerin" is translated into.
Per 2173, 53, 6145, 16115, Dead animals, Blood, "Lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri/khinzeerin", and "What is dedicated to other than Allah" (the food part) are HARAM/FORBIDDEN for believers.
Per 6146 and 55, Dead animals, Blood, "Lahma/lahmu alkhinzeeri/khinzeerin", and "What is dedicated to other than Allah" (the food part) are HALAL/LAWFUL for believers.
This apparent contradiction disappears by considering both 6145 and 6146 together. The presence of "AND" at the beginning of 6146 clearly shows that the 4 categories of haram/restricted food mentioned in 6145 were also haram/restricted on Jews, and the categories of haram/restricted food in 6146 were ADDITIONAL restrictions on Jews due to punishment, and not the only restrictions.
SECOND GRAVE CONTRADICTION
393 All the food was made lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was sent down. Say "Bring the Torah and recite it if you are truthful."
From this PB misinterprets that all possible food was sanctioned/made halal to COI by Allah's decree, and what Israel forbade on himself was self imposed, and not authorized by Allah. If that is true then all food includes "what is dedicated to other than Allah" (the food part), so by sanctioning all possible food, Allah also sanctioned "what is dedicated to other than Allah" (the food part) to COI, but then that would mean Allah sanctioned/allowed shirk ! Allah never ever sanctions shirk.
Another GRAVE contradiction created by PB's misinterpretation.
393 does not say that ALL food was made halal to COI without exceptions. The word "except" clearly shows that some food was made haram to COI by The God's decree, and it was the same food that Israel forbade on himself, following The God's decree. This resolves the apparent contradiction created by PB's misinterpretation of 393.
THIRD GRAVE CONTRADICTION
327 The One who made excellently (ahsana) everything He created and He began the creation of the human from mud.
PB misinterprets this as meaning that The God created everything good.
If all creation is good as per PB's misinterpretation, then ill seeming/bad/dirty/rotten meat also has to be good, but then that would contradict 6145 where even if lahma khinzeerin means ill seeming meat, it is still called "rijsun". According to PB's misinterpretation, ALL creation is good, so NOTHING can be "rijsun", but The God calls a few things "rijsun" in the Qur'aan which would be a contradiction.
Another GRAVE contradiction created by PB's misinterpretation.
This apparent contradiction is resolved by correctly translating 327.
327 The One who made excellently (ahsana) everything He created and He began the creation of the human from mud.
As can be clearly seen, the word used in this ayat/sign is "ahsana" and not "tayyib" or "hasanan".
According to Dictionary of Qur'aan by Abdul mannan Omar
AHSANA (prf. 3rd. p. m. sing.) He did good, He did excellently (used as verb)
Note that "ahsana" is used as a verb, and not as an adjective or noun. It means did excellently, meaning form and craftsmanship, not whether it is good or bad by nature. It means The God created all things excellently.
If The God meant to say that He created everything good by nature, the arabic would have been
Allathee khalaqahu kulla shay-in HASANAN...... meaning "He who created everything good".
The original arabic of 327 does not say that, but says
Allathee AHSANA kulla shay-in khalaqahu....... meaning "He made excellently everything He created"
A different word is used when The God talks about consumable or edible foods
2168 O people, eat of what is in the Earth as good (tayyiban) and lawful, and do not follow the steps of the devil, he is to you a clear enemy.
587 O you who believe, do not forbid the good things (tayyibat) that God has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; God does not like the aggressors.
588 And eat from what God has provided for you, good (tayyiban) and lawful; and be aware of God in whom you believe.As can be clearly seen the word used here is "tayyiban" as adjective (2168, 588 ) and "tayyibat" as noun (587).
TAYYIBAN (adj.) Good, clean, wholesome, pure.
This word is used as adjective in the quoted ayaat/signs, and is different from "ahsana" which is used as a verb in 327 and carries a different connotation.
Regards,
Tanveer
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Salaams All,
Tanveer said" but is not good for human consumption." We may create as many idols as we want!
And the test isn't in the mistranslations meanings but in the eaters ,LOOK TO THOSE WHO EAT THE PIG EVERYDAY ALL OVER THE GLOBE TO SEE THE RESULTS .
And look to us who don't ,where is the difference Br.Tanveer
And not forgetting the other trans "Meat you see/smell/taste/notice/findout is bad"
And Now try this test what happens , not to every body but most , of the eaters.
By! - i am off jogging! now that isn't bad for us?