Is Love an Illusion?
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Hello Elke,
Long time no speak!
Where did you disappear to?Hi lote tree,
only you could have started this thread )I hope its a good thing -)
But Love is a Worthy Thing to Investigate is it not?I'm with saladin on this when he says love is a test - but i believe that when we pass the test there will be a recompense...
Test of what? For RomaNtic Love - is the test to see how much pain you can feel and endure? For unrequited love the pain can be like hot iron through your soul! So again I ask you - is love a test of pain endurance? or is it somehting more?
Regards,
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Salaam Br Lote-Tree,
I will only add that LOVE has many sides both good and bad.
And Love has many levels.
With this I mean that love is good when you can have your love in peace with someone but when for an example jelousy come in then it can kill the love and change it to hate.
With levels i mean that you can love someone in different ways, your partner who you share the bed with can you love passionated but your kids you love in another way and the same with your parents, relatives,friends and so on.
For me Love is so magic you never knows how it will turn you!
peace
Sister Majidah
My conclusion is that love can have many faces and it is of course individual how you achieve love.
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Peace,
I think it's wrong to try and sum up love like this so quickly in a nutshell! Love is what unites us all, our love for knowledge and the beauty of the Most High's creation is what unites us all.
I personally think it is very important and is like gravity in our lives, gravity is invisible but holds the solar systems and galaxies together. Love is what unites and is needed for peace. Scientists have limited knowledge of gravity at the moment, but with love I think every individual has a different understanding of it. Love is too vague and I think in this thread needs to be defined more clearly. But generally love is a good thing no matter what!
I love too many things to hate 'love' because of a bad time between two individuals whether they are friends or lovers.
I love music, cars, cooking, racing, comedies etc. I feel like a hippy today!
By the way, great and interesting thread Lotetree. More heart warming, unlike the heated debates!
Nural
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Peace,
Lolllllllllllll. See, even you handful of people cant make up ur mind of what Love is.
The reason why the handful of people here can't make up their minds is because you can't "make up ur mind" when it comes to this, for there is no agreed upon definition for love. Every individual has his/her own definition or point of view. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. There are no right or wrongs. There's just a difference of opinion.
-Sara
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Peace Jaxal,
You stated
Love... its such an ambiguous word. We love our parents, we also love our cars. We love our house. We love our kids. We love our spouses. We love the sky. We love the angels. I love KFC. I love my honda. I love the night sky when its dark and raining. I love the stars. I love mountains. I love kittens and puppys. I also love the smell of my mom's cooking. I love the morning air. I love dance music. I love God. I love maltezers.
None of your examples are ambiguous, only degrees of or variations of love.
So, is loving my honda = Loving my God? Is loving my child = Loving my wife? that not only sounds wrong, but sounds disgusting.
I'm not the one who bottled up the definition...you are.
Here it is again
Love , at best, is an excuse to have sex with the opposite sex and feel good about it. Thats it. There is NOTHING a person can do in love which he/she cant do when NOT in love. Prove me wrong here.
So if that's all love is, as you stated, then you need to explain your love of your parents, your honda, the sky, KFC, etc.
Love is an abused word. People stick it anyones face without thinking twice. I did it. So i know.
I agree wink But that doesn't take away from the concept. It only waters down the word used to symbolize the concept.
Frankly, the meaning of Love is lost. Its just another word. Nothing special.
Sure, the word is nothing special. But the concept is another story entirely.
People are stuck on the drama and movies where the hero will destroy whole armies just to get to his girl. Its a fantasy. Love is a poor man's dream and hope. Nothing more.
Sad, but false. I think what you need to do is differentiate between the romantic shadow of love and the overall concept.
Do you or do you not love your parents?
Peace,
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SaLaM Tay
Whao, so many quotes. Looooooooooolllllllllll. Brother, my examples fit the word ambiguous. There are so many meanings of love which explained in my example. Love dont have ONE meaning. That is the meaning of the word ambiguous. Having many meanings. Many possibilites. GOD!!!!!! The love for the father can be equal to the love you give to your wife. Thats a digusting thought. The point i was trying to get across is. Love in itself is just BS. Its not the kind where u dont feel hungry or cant sleep. You do that when u have ur final exams and u havent studied. So what now, i feel LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for my exams? Thats a poor man's dream.
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Peace Jaxal,
Many meanings does in fact denote ambiguity, but what you offered was not many meanings, it was many variations of the same meaning. I don't mean to split hairs, but I gotta call it like I see it.
The point i was trying to get across is. Love in itself is just BS.
But you haven't established this at all. You just keep repeating it in different ways.
Its not the kind where u dont feel hungry or cant sleep. You do that when u have ur final exams and u havent studied. So what now, i feel LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for my exams?
I really have no idea what you're trying to say here. What does hunger and sleep have to do with proving love is bs??
by the way...you still didn't answer my question wink
Peace,
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Peace Jaxal,
here it is from dictionary.com
1.Doubtfulness or uncertainty as regards interpretation ?leading a life of alleged moral ambiguity? (Anatole Broyard).
2.Something of doubtful meaning a poem full of ambiguities.In other words, when a word is spoken, it can be considered ambiguous only when the the person being spoken to will have uncertainty regarding it's interpretation. For instance "a dirty little boy"
This could mean the little boy had dirt and grime all over his body, or it could mean the little boy is a pervert.However, you saying you love KFC leaves no room for doubt. No one is going to think you are having a meaningful relationship with a bucket of chicken. What you offered was a variation of the term "love", not an example of the term's ambiguity.
This is constructive criticism bro, not an insult.
Putting that aside, your last comment is troubling...
I have no need for you to understand what im saying. Weather you agree or not
Then why bother participating in a discussion? And why challenge everyone to prove you wrong? I feel you've taken my comments personally. My apologies if I've insulted you in any way.
Getting back to the topic...perhaps not believing in love is comforting for you. I've met quite a few people in my life, and it seems suspicious that those who disbelieve in love are always the same people who've been hurt by believing in love.
Conversely, those who babble endlessly about all the wonders of love are usually the same ones who have found love in someone special.
So is the truth about love completely subjective? Or is it simply a matter of the mind trying to protect itself? I think you know where I stand - I've been on both sides of the story.
Peace,
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Hello Majidah,
Salaam Br Lote-Tree,
I will only add that LOVE has many sides both good and bad.I would like to believe that Love is Good. But it is how we deal with Love and how we come to terms with Love that can lead us to either disbelieve in the Goodness of Love like Jaxal has.
And Love has many levels.
Aye.
With this I mean that love is good when you can have your love in peace with someone but when for an example jelousy come in then it can kill the love and change it to hate.
Again I say, it is how you deal with love and how you come to terms with love that determines hate and jealousy.
With levels i mean that you can love someone in different ways, your partner who you share the bed with can you love passionated but your kids you love in another way and the same with your parents, relatives,friends and so on.
Yes, romantic love is not same as the love you have for your children or your friends because Romantic love is tied up with Sex. And Love is not sex in my viewpoint. So concept of Love is the same? What say you?
For me Love is so magic you never knows how it will turn you!
Aye Majidah, it is so magic! Even the pain of it all, the Hot Iron Through Your Soul of unrequited Love melts away into magic!...When Love beckoned to me I followed Love, Though Love's Words shattered my Dreams!
Regards,
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Hello Nural,
Peace,
I personally think it is very important and is like gravity in our lives, gravity is invisible but holds the solar systems and galaxies together. Love is what unites and is needed for peace. Scientists have limited knowledge of gravity at the moment, but with love I think every individual has a different understanding of it. Love is too vague and I think in this thread needs to be defined more clearly. But generally love is a good thing no matter what!Good stuff in your post chap. Good insights.
By the way, great and interesting thread Lotetree. More heart warming, unlike the heated debates!
Thank you. I thought I try different approach. You can only take so much of heated debates. But Love is a Great Healer and Uniter -)
And Love is very important to all of us.Regards,
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SaLaM LT
Even the pain of it all, the Hot Iron Through Your Soul of unrequited Love melts away into magic
That is so deep LT. Who are you in love with wink
Deep? Yes, I am poet chap...
(but not a good one I am afraid but I do my best -) )Regards,
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Salaam Br Lote-Tree,
I agree that love can differ from person to person and that love is a state of mind.
I'm often in love with many things not only humans lol
You seems to be so romantic Lote lol
Peace
Sis Majidah -
"Love" is not preached in the Quran. Why? Because that term is too broad. Love can be an intense feeling/ emotion or it can be a charitable act. Christians say of the Quran "The Quran does not teach us to love." Christians look at the mushy side of it.
Since the Quran is the best hadith, it goes straight to the point. It teaches us charity, justice, honesty, commitment, defense of the weak, etc..That is what "True Love" is all about.
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Salaam Br Tony,
Exactly you scored the highest points
Of course love is all that you mention and that is real pure love teaching from Al Quran.
Peace
Sis Majidah