Judgement and Determination
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Alright, it's common knowledge that god is omniscient thus it is impossible to stray from god's path (thank ma dawg Spinoza who I think originally came up with this argument) - but what room does it leave for judgement? Like, why bother with the judging if all is going according to your predefined path?
Note 1 please no hoo-haa about "probabilistic futures", god does not work in probabilities (contradicts his attributes of absolution)
Note 2 omniscience => all knowing, because 1. knowing an outcome > knowing the probablity of an outcome, and god is maximally great and 2. god is eternal, thus isn't bound by laws of causation thus the concept of 'probabilities' is inapplicable to god.
Discuss.
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Neo,
Knowing how these threads have progressed in the past, we will be stuck on note 1 and 2 forevah...
To clarify are we talking judgement as in the quran? Or a general view of this kinda concept?
But moving on...judgement seems to be a culmination of past events to a point where there is a change in status/environment/whatever...applied to that being judged in a general sense...thus one could say that it's for the individual as part of the system?!?
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SaLaM neo
I have judged others. I dont regret it. I dont believe in a destiny. A one pre defined path from which no one can deviate. So in my opinion, judging is neccessary when making decisions and choices. Not people or their character. Which makes me a hypocryte. But that is thats just the way it is. Ofcourse, this is all my personell opinion.
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Neo,
Knowing how these threads have progressed in the past, we will be stuck on note 1 and 2 forevah...
Heh, hopefully some people here realise the implications of the word "all knowing"/"omniscience"...
To clarify are we talking judgement as in the quran? Or a general view of this kinda concept?
I'm talking about god's judgement - not the judgement we bestow upon others on a day to day basis.
But moving on...judgement seems to be a culmination of past events to a point where there is a change in status/environment/whatever...applied to that being judged in a general sense...thus one could say that it's for the individual as part of the system?!?
Please clarify?
SaLaM neo
I have judged others. I dont regret it. I dont believe in a destiny. A one pre defined path from which no one can deviate. So in my opinion, judging is neccessary when making decisions and choices. Not people or their character. Which makes me a hypocryte. But that is thats just the way it is. Ofcourse, this is all my personell opinion.
I meant 'why' (in a loose sense...) does god 'judge' when eveyrthing is absolute? And if you believe in an omniscient and eternal god, you must believe in destiny (see notes 1 and 2, if you have questions make another topic but in this topic we'll stick to the premises in my original post).
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Please clarify?
Why does God judge when He is omniscient and eternal and everything is absolute?
The reasonable answer to this would be, God has no need to judge. God has no need to be fair, God has no need period.
Therefore it follows that judging cannot be something that is done for God's benefit...
Does that mean that those being judged, because of them not being omniscient and eternal even though everything is already scripted(prg not acting) and absolute, are the ones who benefit? A series of past events leading/culminating in/to judgement after which a new progression/status/environment starts.
This would be something that is scripted into the system for those being judged, as because of their lack of omniscience, this would serve as a method of bringing it all together, before the next and (final) progression.