AL YAHOOD Vs. ALLATHEENA HADOO
-
Peace to All,
I would like to draw your attention that in Al Quran the people called Al Yahood are not one and the same as those called Allatheena Hadoo (= those who followed Guidance).
If you checked the Ayat that have Al Yahood you will see that they are always mentioned in a negative way while the Ayat that speak about Allatheen Hadoo always mention them in a positive way.'Al Yahood' does not mean those who followed guidance.
-
Peace,
'Al Yahood' does not mean those who followed guidance.
I have found this to be correct.
It seems that the "Jews" wanted to separate themselves from the supporters of Isa, who were still the bani israel. Do you agree?
I think we make a mistake when we follow the traditional translators whims of making common nouns into proper nouns.
-
Salam Grourself,
It seems that the "Jews" wanted to separate themselves from the supporters of Isa, who were still the bani israel. Do you agree?
'Al Nassaraa' are the supporters of Isa. I know from Al Quran that 'Al Yahood' did not agree with 'Al Nassaara' on anything.
Is the word 'Jews' the correct translation for 'Al Yahood'?
Traditional translators are not such a reliable source. -
Peace,
I don't know where the translation of "jews" even came from. ? The arabic is "the guided". A definite article doesn't automatically indicate a proper noun.
They do the same with nasSara, a word that simply means supporter or helper becomes Christians. God clearly uses this word to mean support throughout the reading. Also naSara sounds similar to Nazareth, a city, but the two words have nothing to do with each other. Again I see this as arab religionists concocting a religion for themselves that can be referenced by the Christian bible.
This requires some thinking and comparing what the God tells us in the reading about al yahood, yahood and naSara. The answers are within the book amd we need to find them.
-
Peace Grourself,
Peace,
I don't know where the translation of "jews" even came from. ? The arabic is "the guided". A definite article doesn't automatically indicate a proper noun.
They do the same with nasSara, a word that simply means supporter or helper becomes Christians. God clearly uses this word to mean support throughout the reading. Also naSara sounds similar to Nazareth, a city, but the two words have nothing to do with each other. Again I see this as arab religionists concocting a religion for themselves that can be referenced by the Christian bible.
This requires some thinking and comparing what the God tells us in the reading about al yahood, yahood and naSara. The answers are within the book amd we need to find them.
I have to explain something important here. I wrote
'Al Nassaraa' are the supporters of Isa.
The word ' Al Nassaraa' is not the word used for Al Hawariyyoona, those mentioned in . The exact word Isa used and also Al Hawariyyoona responded to was 'Anssaar' = supporters (~not a good translation!)
***And when Isa sensed Al Kufr from them he said "Who will be my Anssaree towards Allah?" Said Al Hawariyyoona "We are Allah's Anssaar We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. ***
I imagine that Al Nassaraa are the people from Nassrah (could be Nazareth) the city/village in Palestine. Nassrani is the masculine singular. So those Anssaar, those who claimed themselves to be Anssaaru Allah could very well be from city of Nassrah, so they could have been Nassaara, but who can tell for sure?
-
I imagine that Al Nassaraa are the people from Nassrah
TAJ with this in mind could you look at the following two verses and tell us if you think "Nasarahu" has been translated wrong by the translators
940 If you fail to support him
940 Illa tansuroohu faqad nasarahu AllahuHere we have Nasara (Christian/Nasarian) with hu (Him), so shouldn't Nasarahu be translated as a Nasarian/Christian Male, Christian Him, Him a Nasarian/Christian. instead of "supported him"
And have the translators confused "Nasarahu" for "nasarnahu" which is also translated as "supported him" in 2177... Notice "nasarnahu" has an extra "n", so they appear to be two different words...
2177 We supported him against the people who rejected our revelations. They were evil people, so we drowned them all.
2177 Wanasarnahu mina alqawmi allatheena kaththaboo bi-ayatina innahum kanoo qawma saw-in faaghraqnahum ajmaAAeena
I would be interested in knowing what your understanding of these two words are thanks
ie nasarnahu vs nasarahu
......
-
Peace Albion,
I imagine that Al Nassaraa are the people from Nassrah
TAJ with this in mind could you look at the following two verses and tell us if you think "Nasarahu" has been translated wrong by the translators
940 If you fail to support him
940 Illa tansuroohu faqad nasarahu AllahuNassara (masculine singular simple past tense)- Yanssuru (masculine sigular present tense) is more than just to support. It is like when you rush to rescue someone from a seriously difficult situation a life or death situation, even if that rescue could cause you your own life. That is how Nassara goes among people. With God it is like this when I say that God is my Nasseer or (another derivative) Naasser, that mean that I am under the full protection of God and that God will not allow any harm to reach me and that God will make me win against my (His) enemies. So in the Ayah you mentioned , Allah is telling those who had failed Muhammad, who had failed to be there for him with full support and protection when he needed it mostly, that their careless position will not matter because Allah was the One to protect Muhammad.
Here we have Nasara (Christian/Nasarian) with hu (Him), so shouldn't Nasarahu be translated as a Nasarian/Christian Male, Christian Him, Him a Nasarian/Christian. instead of "supported him"
Christian him!?
And have the translators confused "Nasarahu" for "nasarnahu" which is also translated as "supported him" in 2177... Notice "nasarnahu" has an extra "n", so they appear to be two different words...
2177 We supported him against the people who rejected our revelations. They were evil people, so we drowned them all.2177 Wanasarnahu mina alqawmi allatheena kaththaboo bi-ayatina innahum kanoo qawma saw-in faaghraqnahum ajmaAAeena
I would be interested in knowing what your understanding of these two words are thanks
ie nasarnahu vs nasarahu
The pronouns are the difference, but the meaning of the word Nassara remains the same. Na here is like we in English. Hu here is like him
'Hu' could also mean 'his', but not in that word here.
'Na' could also mean 'us' for plural and dual, but not in that word here.