Migration - The 'KEY' To A GOD Alone Society???
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Salaam,
You are not responsible for guiding anyone. GOD is the only one who guides whoever chooses (to be guided).
You cannot guide the ones you love. GOD is the only One who guides in accordance with His will, and in accordance with His knowledge of those who deserve the guidance.
O My servants who believed, My earth is spacious, so serve Me.
Anyone who migrates in the cause of GOD will find on earth great bounties and richness. Anyone who gives up his home, migrating to GOD and His messenger, then death catches up with him, his recompense is reserved with GOD. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
A couple of years ago, I remember that there was so much talk concerning the establishment of a GOD Alone society/community. Ideas and views have been traded and attempted, projects have been implemented and goals have been made. I also remember the noble attempt by Layth to get something going by contributing free copies of "The Message and "The Natural Republic" to those aho were able to establish GOD Alone Study centers in different cities.
Based on historical cases as well as the above mentioned verses from The Quran, I strongly believe that the ONLY way to truly establish such a thing is to initiate some sort of Migration Project where everyone can all agree on a location to try and migrate to.
The conventional way of establishing a community/society is through what can be called Dawah Efforts (for lack of a better term concerning this endevour). I am not against dawah efforts at all. However, as the first two above verses bring to our attention, it is ONLY GOD who can give guidance, learning and wisdom. So I think the 'KEY' is for all those who have been granted some level of guidance from GOD to come together in one specific local and work from there to establish a community/society where the majority of the people will eventually be those who serve GOD Alone.
If taken seriously and attempted by the right individuals with the right vision, this can definately be accomplished.
Peace,
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SaLaM Damon and Layth
When you talk about emigration, do you mean that emigrating and forming a country (like israel) or imigrating to city , where ever that might be, so that all that follow Quran alone and God alone can have a place to be?
I will make no secret of my wishes. If i could, i would make a country for all who follow God Alone and Quran Alone. But then again, one step at a time maybe.
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Peace,
When you talk about emigration, do you mean that emigrating and forming a country (like israel) or imigrating to city , where ever that might be, so that all that follow Quran alone and God alone can have a place to be?
My preference is to migrate to a city/country which accepts God alone as its way of life (rather than starting from scratch with a new country).
We wrote an open letter once to Jordan's queen asking her if they would support a Muslim movement on their land (nothing came of it).
The alternative was to adress the invasion of Iraq with a proposed constitution that was based on the system of God Alone...Had such a constitution been embraced, then that would set the stage for future migration.
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Salaam all,
really sometimes you amaze me! Do you really believe that one could find a city / country where god alone is accepted as way of life, as jaxal put it.
The best one can find is a society open minded enough, enabling you to live your beliefs fully and not in a hidden manner, without being opressed.
But i would like to insist again on the levels of reading to put it easily - sometimes you might have to emigrate in order to save your life, most times though your migration will be an inner journey.
LK
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peace all
Live outside the grid. Its not really hard to do at all. Thats phaze one.
Find others williong to do the same. thats face 2.
Write a personal letter to Jordans queen, and say. Sister...put your actions where your mouth is.For me, i am but a wanderer in this world. No place can hold for very long before i need to go elsewhere.
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Salaam all,
I should have been more specific. I was not talking about founding our own country or buying a whole bunch of land or anything. I was thinking along the lines of people agreeing on a city to establish themselves in. Also, I am not specifically thinking of just one community where the people who are GOD Alone believers can be concentrated in. I was thinking more along the lines of the people in the U.K. to be in one city and the people in the U.S. to be in one city. Unfortunately, due to the closed-mindedness and lack of reasoning in the traditional muslim world, I honestly cannot see how this strategy can be implemented in these places. In such cases, the GOD Alone believers in these countries can choose to migrate to either The U.K. or the U.S.
I am getting ready for work and am short on time. My first post was to give my views on HOW to establish a society of our own (through the process of migration). GOD Willing, when I get in from work, I will try to give my thoughts on WHY we should have a GOD Alone community and WHAT I believe a GOD Alone community is.
Peace,
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what do you ppl think of forming a political group in UK or US ?
peace
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Salaamun alaikum Damon et al,
I really admire your vision about doing this and indeed, according to al-quraan, this is something which will earn us Allah's good pleasure (9/100). I'd like to mention some issues
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what's the objective of being in the same city? What is meant to happen ultimately? I personally see the establishment of houses to be part of the Musa vs Firaun scenario.
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Is there any sort of leadership in the community? Without a messenger, I think we will not achieve the same effect.
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Is this community going to be affiliated with traditionalists? If you use islamic terms, 'muslims' will flock to you and there'll be answers to them you need to give. I want to stay away from this as much as possible.
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Salaamun alaikum Jaxal,
Brother dont start
If and when this happens, it wont be easy. I dont think anything is easy when on the path of God
I know its a sensitive subject, I went through this myself. But you know, there is a reason why the Quran captures the role of ar-rasul. The message is always the eye of the tornado. It has to remain central and the way it does that is through the person of ar-rasool, the message personified.
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Salaam People,
Peace be with you Mquran....
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what's the objective of being in the same city? What is meant to happen ultimately? I personally see the establishment of houses to be part of the Musa vs Firaun scenario.
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Is there any sort of leadership in the community? Without a messenger, I think we will not achieve the same effect.
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Is this community going to be affiliated with traditionalists? If you use islamic terms, 'muslims' will flock to you and there'll be answers to them you need to give. I want to stay away from this as much as possible.
If it's all the same to you guys, I wish not for this thread to go in the direction of interpretations and theological issues. The reason I brought this idea up is to see everyone's reactions and to see where peoples heads are at cocerning this idea. I believe seperate threads should be started for those who wish to debate about the theological issues.
GOD Willing, my position will be made clear as I attempt to explain WHY I believe we should have a community, as well as WHAT I envision a GOD Alone society to be....
I always thought that the WHY part of it should be easy.....to be in an environment that is not only conducive to the GOD Alone life-style, but to actually be in an environment that fosters and promotes it. I believe it is of the utmost importance for those of us who are raising children and wish to guide them adequately and strive to keep them from walking the paths of the majority of people all over the world. We all know that it is always much easier and more preferable to raise your children in an environment in which the majority of the people share the same sense of ethics , morals and values (and NOT necessarily the same religious/theological position).
Plain and simple, (to use a parable of some sort), if you have an asthmatic child, DO NOT attempt to raise him in a househould full of inconsiderate smokers. The asthmatic would be considered the unique case of the bunch. It is much better for him or her to be raised in a househould full of non-smokers or, at the very least, others who are considerate enough not to smoke around him or her. We as GOD Alone believers are the unique cases of our societies and it is definately better for us to be in a place where there are many, many unique cases. That way, we not only have a community life of our own, but most importantly, we can GROW and EVENTUALLY become a definate and noticable influence on our environment. THIS is the key...and THIS is how and where it all begins!! Study the case histories of the mormons and the different cultural/ethnic communities in Philly, New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. These people (Jews, Chinese, Koreans, Irish, etc) established their respective communities mainly through the process of migration.
Now as far as WHAT I believe a GOD Alone community to be, that's fairly simple. For me, a GOD Alone society is one which is the opposite of society today. Today's society is immoral, crooked, corrupt, dishonest, uncaring, dangerous, greedy, selfish, decadent and down right ignorant. To me, a GOD Alone society is the Complete Opposite of these things.
One thing I feel as though that I must stress....To me, a GOD Alone society is not one in which everyone thinks the same and has the same views ad interpretations!! YOU know, the robotic, cult-like zombie minded community with a "Religious Overseer/Enforcer" watching over everyone. If I wanted that kind of living, I can migrate to Saudi Arabia.
Listen, only GOD can guide and GOD is the teacher of His Book. It is absolutely pointless to waste our time debating about the same things over and over and over again and again. This is why we don't have a society now. Do you think everyone in the Jewish community in New York city think exactly alike and see everything alike?? Do you think the Chinese of Chinatown in San Francisco think and see everything exactly alike?? Do you think the Cuban community in Miami think and see everything exactly alike?? I can tell you now that they don't.....it's not going to happen!! No way, no how. We are all our own individuals and because of that, we will never, I repeat, NEVER think exactly alike and interpret The Quran exactly alike.
So if the people of the above named communities do not and will not ever think exactly alike, how did they manage to successfully establish their own commuities?
THEY DID IT BY FOCUSING ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT AND THAT IS TO HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY CAN CALL THEIR OWN HOME!!
And this is exactly what we must emulate if we are to get the motions going in that direction. For those of you who think that we have to establish a universal or general consesus of theological issues before we attempt this strategy, I can guarantee you that you are approaching this thing entirely the wrong way. I can point out almost a million things wrong with that position.
So, if a GOD Alone society isn't one in which everyone in it has the exact same spiritual/theological views, then what is it? What is it about a GOD Alone society that sets it apart from any other society?
To me, a GOD Alone society is one where the people strive hard to 'aata-uz-zakaa' to contribute towards the betterment/purification of the society they are in as well as to purify/better themselves. This is done through the righteous works that GOD always speaks about and by being examples of morals, ethics and GOD-conciousness.
That's it in a very brief nutshell.
Peace,
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Peace Damon,
And this is exactly what we must emulate if we are to get the motions going in that direction. For those of you who think that we have to establish a universal or general consesus of theological issues before we attempt this strategy, I can guarantee you that you are approaching this thing entirely the wrong way. I can point out almost a million things wrong with that position.
I agree with you. We must unite under a common cause. Migration though would be difficult for many but is a good concept to have that could be worked out sucessfully. Many small communties have by virtue of sticking together for their own and it has worked remerkably well. An example would be the Memon community in the US...I would be very interested in seeing this start and prosper. It's a worthwhile endeavour. Have you a place in mind yet? Go for Boston!!! D
Best wishes,
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Salaam all,
i don't think i agree. As much as i would like having you guys around me, being spread all over the world is just fine.
One of the reasons even though i for sure am not the super-muslima that i would like to be, thanks to my discussions with people around me - here in a traditionnal sunni society - many really started seeing new possibilities and began to question what they used to accept blindly before.
And i don't think we're fundamentally different from other human beings. I agree when you say that there needn't be a religious - theological consensus. But that's the first thing we would start looking for if we joined. Just thinking of some very hot discussions that have already taken place on this site roll
May be i'm just too individualistic though...
Elke
