CONCLUSION OF THE SWINE DEBATE
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Salam Ahmad Bahgat,
and the same verse tell us that Allah allowed them to eat The fat of the ox and the sheep (Fat Only) (because these aninals also have nails and) so Allah explained to them what they can eat from a couple of animals with NAILS (OX and sheep), they could also been eaten fish because the fish do not have nails
Khi- Im sorry to say but you got this the other way around. GOD FORBADE THE FAT of the oxen and sheep NOT THEIR MEAT so this wont be a valid argument. GOD Bless!
I absolutely agree bro, I'm using the same rational to suit that guy rational who obviously does not understand the Quran and totally reject the Torah while he should not do that
my logic stand bro but only against his flawed logic, I'm positive
peace be with you man, also I have a lot of question regarding code 19 and sura 9 please let me know when you are ready
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Salam Ahmed Bahgat,
peace be with you man, also I have a lot of question regarding code 19 and sura 9 please let me know when you are ready
Khi- Please first go through all of the articles/websites i posted. Ill then take your qs next week GW. GOD Bless!
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Salam Ahmed Bahgat,
peace be with you man, also I have a lot of question regarding code 19 and sura 9 please let me know when you are ready
Khi- Please first go through all of the articles/websites i posted. Ill then take your qs next week GW. GOD Bless!
bro i spent all last night reading all these stuff, I'm a reading addict
talk to you next week
peace
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Salam Ahmed Bahgat,
peace be with you man, also I have a lot of question regarding code 19 and sura 9 please let me know when you are ready
Khi- Please first go through all of the articles/websites i posted. Ill then take your qs next week GW. GOD Bless!
bro i spent all last night reading all these stuff, I'm a reading addict
talk to you next week
peace
Khi- Salam. All the five lessons?! Amazing. I hope you read everything carefully and not just skimmed through the article. Ok see you next week then GW. GOD Bless!
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here is my final refute, now this refute was not talked about before and I believe there will be no response to it
first of all, the verse 6146 never said animals with claws, THIS IS THE WRONG TRANSLATION FOR SURE
the arabic word " " CAN NOT BE TRANSLATED AS CLAW, THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT WRONG TRANSLATION
Claw means in arabic "", I"M 100% positive
The arabic word " " SHOULD BE TRANSLATED AS "NAIL", this is what it means in arabic, YOU CAN CHECK THIS WITH ANY ARABIC SPEAKER
now a hoof (divided or not) or a claw (long or not sharp or not) IS A BLOODY NAIL " ", and because the pig has a nail (on the form of divided hoof) IT WAS FORIBIDDENON THE JEW IN THE QURAN
and the same verse tell us that Allah allowed them to eat The fat of the ox and the sheep (Fat Only) (because these aninals also have nails and) so Allah explained to them what they can eat from a couple of animals with NAILS (OX and sheep), they could also been eaten fish because the fish do not have nails
you have been refuted PB, as I don't care what you read in english THIS QURAN IS AN ARABIC QURAN
Oh, I see, so thufr means nail and all species of animals with nails, except the two mentioned--sheep and oxen, are haram, is this really your position/refutation? rotfl Well, if thufr means nail, as you claim, then, cows, goats, rams, deer, elk, seals, turtles, sheep, oxen, etc. were also haram, because they have nails...is this really your position/refutation?, because if it is, you better rethink it. rotfl
Btw, genius, it was the FAT of the oxen and sheep which was made haram and not anything else, got it? If thufr meant nail and all animals with nails were haram to the Jews, but the sheep and oxen were the exceptions, then, Allah, would have stated that they were the exceptions in this regard. Allah, however, made no such exception and you are absolutely making this nonsense up.
You, see, the more you talk, the more you expose your foolishness. lol
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Khi- Im sorry to say but you got this the other way around. GOD FORBADE THE FAT of the oxen and sheep NOT THEIR MEAT so this wont be a valid argument. GOD Bless!
I absolutely agree bro, I'm using the same rational to suit that guy rational who obviously does not understand the Quran and totally reject the Torah while he should not do that
my logic stand bro but only against his flawed logic, I'm positive
Even IDMKHIZIR, pointed out your completely misunderstanding what, in regard to the sheep and oxen was haram, so what are talking about? The Torah, is not the book of guidance to mankind and it is flawed.
Answer the following, if you have any knowledge/faith at all wink
WHICH BOOK IS WITHOUT DOUBT, ERROR, FLAW, CONTRADICTION, IS THE FINAL WAHY/GUIDANCE TO MANKIND
A. AL-QURAN
B. THE TORAH
Which is it...mate? lol
rotfl who are you kiddding? rotfl
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PB you are a joke if you ask me this question, but let me pretend to answer it
the answer is A lol
but hey, B must be also considered and believed in its uncorrupted passages as THE QURAN TOLD US, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE VERSES OR YOU WILL RUN LIKE A RAT?
How we know it is uncorrupted?, BY COMPARING IT TO THE UNCORRUPTED AND COMPLETE QURAN
lol lol
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I know what I'm doing, however, you, as evidenced by your latest screw-up, are clueless as to what you are doing rotfl
If we've met on other boards, well, you were just as foolish and I crushed you there as well...mate lol
True motives being written freely and without inhibition.
Keep exposing yourself.
The LOLs and ROTFLs are pretty lame really. Grow up.
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"AhmedBahgat"]
the answer is A lol
Well, genius, if A. is the answer, then why do you continue to take the Torah over Al-Quran? Allah says in Al-Quran that...He made clawed species of animals haram to the Jews, well, pigs don't have claws, thus, Al-Quran, is refuting the tampered Torah as to exactly what species of animals Allah made to the Jews--not animals with hooves, but animals with claws. Btw, thufr cannot mean nail, because Jews eat beef/cows which, according to your "definition nd logic", have nails as do pigs. So, if pigs and cows both have nails, then the cow was also hara to the Jews...are you really gong to stand by your silly and un-Quranic position that, thufr, in ayat 6146, means nail? rotfl
Are you getting this yet?...mate wink
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... why ... take the Torah over Al-Quran? Allah says in Al-Quran that...He made clawed species of animals haram to the Jews, well, pigs don't have claws, thus, Al-Quran, is refuting the tampered Torah as to exactly what species of animals Allah made to the Jews
Another gem from DULL_IQ...
The ancient Jews' were wrong to accept their Torah over the Quran which came thousands of years later.
Maybe they needed a time machine or someone like DULL... in their midst screaming "Guys, guys... ignore the Torah! You can eat pigs! Trust me they're good! They don't have claws!"
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... why ... take the Torah over Al-Quran? Allah says in Al-Quran that...He made clawed species of animals haram to the Jews, well, pigs don't have claws, thus, Al-Quran, is refuting the tampered Torah as to exactly what species of animals Allah made to the Jews
Another gem from DULL_IQ...
The ancient Jews' were wrong to accept their Torah over the Quran which came thousands of years later.
Maybe they needed a time machine or someone like DULL... in their midst screaming "Guys, guys... ignore the Torah! You can eat pigs! Trust me they're good! They don't have claws!"
My God, you don't even know what time period is being discussed shock
truth, give yourself a rest lol
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... why ... take the Torah over Al-Quran? Allah says in Al-Quran that...He made clawed species of animals haram to the Jews, well, pigs don't have claws, thus, Al-Quran, is refuting the tampered Torah as to exactly what species of animals Allah made to the Jews
"Guys, guys... ignore the Torah! You can eat pigs! Trust me they're good! They don't have claws!"
... you ... know what ... is being discussed
Yes I do.
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... why ... take the Torah over Al-Quran? Allah says in Al-Quran that...He made clawed species of animals haram to the Jews, well, pigs don't have claws, thus, Al-Quran, is refuting the tampered Torah as to exactly what species of animals Allah made to the Jews
"Guys, guys... ignore the Torah! You can eat pigs! Trust me they're good! They don't have claws!"
... you ... know what ... is being discussed
Yes I do.
You have some very deep seated problems.
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Salam ,
Ahmad Bahgat and the same verse tell us that Allah allowed them to eat The fat of the ox and the sheep (Fat Only) (because these aninals also have nails and) so Allah explained to them what they can eat from a couple of animals with NAILS (OX and sheep), they could also been eaten fish because the fish do not have nails
IDMKHIZIRKhi- Im sorry to say but you got this the other way around. GOD FORBADE THE FAT of the oxen and sheep NOT THEIR MEAT so this wont be a valid argument. GOD Bless!
I'm glad you pointed this out to him, he wouldn't have believed me. With that said, do you agree with him that thufr, in ayat 6146,--means nails?
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You have some very deep seated problems
You probably never thought you'd see the day you were so thoroughly subdued and "crushed", that you'd be reduced to writing a single meaningless sentence such as that one.
I hope you've learnt your lesson.
I am compelled to post to you once more shaitan but after this, I will not go back on my word. But this if for the record. You, crush and subdue me?! and teach me a lesson? LOLx10!! You must be drunk. Anyway, there is only one reason why I'm putting you and and the other..."genius" on permanent ignore, is because I gave Layth my word that I would not revert back to the old Dhulqarnain, who would have taken great pleasure in cutting deep into you so that you would never forget your place again. Tonight, I came very close to saying things to you for which I would have certainly gotten banned for and I am not going to let that happen over you two shaitans. However, as I said, I gave Layth my word and I will keep it. This site is real learning environment and I will not want to get banned again wink.
Oh, btw, shaitan, you and the other "genuis" lost the khinzeer debate, but may Allah never allow you to recognize that fact or your other superstitions. May you live long and never change your beliefs.
...there will be no more from me to you.
You knew you'd fail didn't you. Everyone knew. Old habits are hard to break. It's nice that you're training yourself to be cool though. You've admitted frankly that you have a great deal of pent up anger in you and we suspected as much.
While your post is very hateful towards me, know that I have no hate for you and I do not share your spiteful words. I hope that you can overcome the troubles you have made a frank admission for. Bottling them up like you say you've done is one solution but an anger management class is probably a better option in the long run.
I commend you for admitting to your problem with me and the deep resentment you feel, and for accepting your status as a loser.
Peace/
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Salam PBM,
Not only is ayat 6146 about specif things made haram, but the specific species of animal made haram by Allah, are only those with claws (why do you continue to ignore this fact?!), which, of course, excludes the animal pig. Is this not correct, yes or no?
Khi- Show me the word "ONLY" in 6146. GOD Bless!
The word "only" is self-evident. When Allah made animals with claws haram, what, do you think He made some animals with claws halal at the same time or some that He some other species of animal, in their entirety, haram? If so, then post that species. If you can't, then your question is not relevent. You still haven't answered my question
Not only is ayat 6146 about specific things made haram to the Jews, but the specific species of animal made haram by Allah, are only those with claws (why do you continue to ignore this fact?!), which, of course, excludes the animal pig. Is this not correct, yes or no?
Looking to your reply.
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DO PIGS HAVE CLAWS...yes or no?
Maybe they have...
The accessory, or dew, claws have short conical horn capsules. Those of the pig are quite well developed.
http//137.222.110.150/calnet/Lfoot/page3.htmMaybe?! Well, don't you KNOW? If you are claiming that pig is haram, then you must be certain of your facts. The article you posted begins with the following
Anatomy of the Ox, Sheep, Goat and Pig's Foot
The article, relative the hoof being referred to as a...claw, means that, the hoof of these animals consist of two "dew claws", however, this notwithstanding, the aforementioned animals are said to have hooves not claws. Once again, if these animals truly had claws, then the sheep, goat, and ox, in their entirety, as well as the following, would have been haram to the Jews the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep. Jews both before and after Al-Quran and the Torah, ate these animals. Thus, thufr, in ayat 6146, cannot mean "dew claw"/hoof, likewise, khinzeer, cannot mean the specie of animal pig, otherwise, the goat, ox, and sheep would have had to have been haram before Al-Quran and still be haram today, if thufr means\t "dew claw"/hoof and not simply claw. Is this not correct?
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Salam PBM
The word "only" is self-evident. When Allah made animals with claws haram, what, do you think He made some animals with claws halal at the same time or some that He some other species of animal, in their entirety, haram? If so, then post that species. If you can't, then your question is not relevent. You still haven't answered my question
Not only is ayat 6146 about specific things made haram to the Jews, but the specific species of animal made haram by Allah, are only those with claws (why do you continue to ignore this fact?!), which, of course, excludes the animal pig. Is this not correct, yes or no?
Looking to your reply.
Khi- This is not a fact at all. Your completely wrong. The 'only' you conclude from 6146 is PURE CONJECTURE. Others may conclude from 6146 that those animal prohibitons are ONLY those made haram to the Jews BECAUSE OF THEIR TRANGRESSIONS while this does not obviously exclude other animals being made haram to them and those would be the universal prohibitions in 6145. In short 6146 is AN ADDITIONAL , NOT A COMPLETE, SET OF ANIMAL PROHINTIONS TO THE JEWS "DUE TO THEIR TRANSGRESSION". This last phrase makes it evident. GOD Bless!