Good, Evil And The battle We Have To Win.
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Peace Lote Tree, O,
I needed some time to ponder and not think before responding so please forgive the delay...
LoteTree, you stated
then Soul is in contemplation of the totality of all experiences
Is it, though? Does the soul ever contemplate, or does the mind contemplate. My understanding is that the soul only observes, in peace. Once contemplation comes into play, we've left the realm of the soul and handed the reigns back to the mind.
OpenUrMind, you stated
if what you are saying is true, then how could we fit experience, self realisation, and the purpose of life.
Exactly! That's where I'm stuck.
The only way out is to think if infinite as ever expanding, continuously creating itself. One time I thought of it as the heart beats that continuously confirm that a creature is alive.
OK, I can imagine this, but with this understanding, we've left no room for individuality. We are One, or we are many. We can't be both. Or can we?
The infinite absolute has all knowledge, yet the experience we have in this life is unique and could not be experienced by an absolute infinite God.
I don't mean to be difficult, O, because I understand you after your additional articulation, but at face value, this sentence is logically flawed in the sense that the terms "infinite" and "articulate", by definition, are all-encompassing, and hence, leave no room for something unique and outside of their respective realms.
That does not mean that the infinite lacks what we experience if we are part of that infinite and we are one. We are this part of him that allows him to experience his own truth.
This I understand as stated above.
As I told you before do not underestimate the mind. I know it is the reason we have an ego and you think it is also behind the illusion, it is finite.
But it is finite, O. Here's a perfect example You can explain infinity, but can you imagine it? Can you picture something that goes on forever? Try it and see what happens. The mind forces an end to the infinite. There "has" to be an end, according to the mind's understanding, because the mind itself is finite.
But one thing you should consider, what is the mind got hold of the absolute knowledge?
Please rephrase the question. I don't understand what you mean here.
I'd like to keep the focus at this point, if you don't mind, since the rest of your post introduces new terms that we should agree on, such as intelligence and knowledge and the difference between them.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Tay,
openurmind, you stated
The only way out is to think if infinite as ever expanding, continuously creating itself. One time I thought of it as the heart beats that continuously confirm that a creature is alive.
OK, I can imagine this, but with this understanding, we've left no room for individuality. We are One, or we are many. We can't be both. Or can we?
I am not sure if I understand what you mean by having no room for individuality, why not. Individuality is the illusion we have when we think we are not one with everything. So, behind this realm, there is no individuality, there is only oneness, which is never ending expanding infinity. While here now, the mind creates its own world.
The infinite absolute has all knowledge, yet the experience we have in this life is unique and could not be experienced by an absolute infinite God.
I don't mean to be difficult, O, because I understand you after your additional articulation, but at face value, this sentence is logically flawed in the sense that the terms "infinite" and "articulate", by definition, are all-encompassing, and hence, leave no room for something unique and outside of their respective realms.
I knew after I wrote it that you were going to think that way. Then I added the next sentence to explain that it is not really unique since we are part of the God.
As I told you before do not underestimate the mind. I know it is the reason we have an ego and you think it is also behind the illusion, it is finite.
But it is finite, O. Here's a perfect example You can explain infinity, but can you imagine it? Can you picture something that goes on forever? Try it and see what happens. The mind forces an end to the infinite. There "has" to be an end, according to the mind's understanding, because the mind itself is finite.
You are right, I can not imagine it now, but that should not by definition mean that the mind would never reach a stage where it is capable of such imagination. My next question was meant to explain that.
But one thing you should consider, what is the mind got hold of the absolute knowledge?
Please rephrase the question. I don't understand what you mean here.
But one thing you should consider, what if the mind got hold of the absolute knowledge? A typing mistake, Replace the ?is? with ?if?.
I'd like to keep the focus at this point, if you don't mind, since the rest of your post introduces new terms that we should agree on, such as intelligence and knowledge and the difference between them.
Peace,
TayI agree.
God bless -
Peace O,
Individuality is the illusion we have when we think we are not one with everything. So, behind this realm, there is no individuality, there is only oneness, which is never ending expanding infinity. While here now, the mind creates its own world.
I agree with this understanding. I guess my point is, what is the point of guidance? Why would God inspire individuals throughout history to teach their fellow man about God and God's path, if we are already connected to God? Furthermore, the mind being finite, is the part of man that is doing the teaching and the learning, yet in the long run, this teaching and learning will wither away with the mind, leaving the same eternal soul that existed before the mind.
Seems kinda pointless, doesn't it?
Peace,
Tay -
I agree with this understanding. I guess my point is, what is the point of guidance?
I never believed that it is about guidance, in fact I do not believe that God has contacted us through a religion or sent us any prophets. I believe it is about what is exactly happening, namely, everything, all probability and the infinity to it. It is in this process that allows the existence of infinite probability lies the answer to what you are looking for. And as the mind develops, it allows for more and more probability, let alone that the mind itself could be existing in multiple dimensions.
Why would God inspire individuals throughout history to teach their fellow man about God and God's path, if we are already connected to God? Furthermore, the mind being finite, is the part of man that is doing the teaching and the learning, yet in the long run, this teaching and learning will wither away with the mind, leaving the same eternal soul that existed before the mind.
Seems kinda pointless, doesn't it?Please do not get stuck there, you know it could not be pointless; it is only our lack of knowledge which is leading us to that conclusion. But it could not be pointless. If we agree that I could not be pointless, then we could move on to try to figure out what is it that we do not understand. You are basing your assumption on the understanding that the soul does not require the experience we have in this life since it is infinite. What about if one the reasons why the soul is infinite, is because it is able to experience, though the mind, all probability? Why infinite has to separate from what is not infinite? I think the secret lies in the obvious fact that we are born without mental knowledge, and we are only allowed to gain knowledge gradually, no matter how hard we try, we are only allowed to go one step at a time. This life is here for a reason that could not be pointless.
God bless