who is a messenger of God?
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salam peacefulmuslim and all .
my understanding is here www.geocities.com/thewisekoran/mess.htm
but after a recent little discussion with Muhammad Asadi , i think i have to make a few additions and corrections to my understanding .
i quote from Asadi's email
By "rasool" I understand one who conveys the messages of God verbatim, without addition or deletion or interpretation. Anyone who is conveying God's message as is, (i.e. reading the Quran as revealed to the people) at the time they are conveying it is a "rasool" (at that time- time specific). When the person quits conveying/reading it, then he is not the rasool anymore and so on. Rasool (unlike nabi) is a title based upon a function and not a status (as you rightly mention about Nabi
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The Quran says in many places that "maa aler rasoole illa balagh", it is not for the messenger but to convey. Then it also says that the Quran is the "innaho la qawlo rasoolen karim", (speech of the messenger). From such verses I concluded that messenger is anyone who speaks the Quran, i.e. conveys it verbatim.
2454 Say Obey Allah and obey the messenger. But if ye
turn away, then (it is) for him (to do) only that
wherewith he hath been charged, and for you (to do)
only that wherewith ye have been charged. If ye obey
him, ye will go aright. But the messenger hath no
other charge than to convey (the message), plainly.6412 Obey Allah and obey His messenger; but if
ye turn away, then the duty of Our
messenger is only to convey (the
message) plainly.6940 it(the quran) is indeed the speech of an illustrious
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hi saladdin
so, What Allah says is ' LISTEN TO MY CHOSEN MESSENGER WHO IS BRINGING TO YOU, MY MESSAGE(such as Quran,Torah, Gospel)', right?and ur link doesnt seem to be working.
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hi jaxal,
i am with u on this one.
i came across that, some believe messenger of God is a person who is wisethats why the thread!
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hi saladdin,
thanks for the link.
was it by layth?
then, why are some saying he is in favour of Rashad Khalifa ?and lucky me, i had never heard this name *Rashad Khalifa before joining the forum )
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Salaamun alaikum PM , Saladin,
PMwho is a messenger of God?
That depends on how much of al-quraan you consult. You have 1001 ppl here with 1001 opinions. Why not seek the view of Allah Himself?
1.is one a messenger of God becoz he is a wise human being?
No. There are already words denoting wisdom like 'ulil albaab' or 'qaumi yatafakkaroon' or 'qaumi yafqahoon'.
2.is one a messenger of God becoz God chose him to convey His (God's) message( such as Quran and the other holy books) to the people
Is it a matter of wonderment to men that We have sent Our inspiration to a man from among themselves?- that he should warn mankind (of their danger), and give the good news to the Believers that they have before their Lord the lofty rank of truth. (But) say the Unbelievers "This is indeed an evident sorcerer!" (10/2)
So yes, a messenger should be under 'wahi' from Allah.
3.is one a messenger of God becoz he believes so?
No, there's no such verse in al-quraan, im afraid.
Saladin 64/12 and 24/54..
Brother, you need to take that in context . 'Balaghul mubiin' is only for people who reject. For believers, there are other roles such as 3/164 and 59/7.
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SaLaM PM
i came across that, some believe messenger of God is a person who is wise
The list that i can give you pm, its amazing )
then, why are some saying he is in favour of Rashad Khalifa ?
God knows best PM, but to my knowledge, he isnt.
then, why are some saying he is in favour of Rashad Khalifa ?
Rashad made a claim that he went to the heaven and was approved by every messenger and propeht ever sent by Allah to the people. ?
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hi saladdin,
thanks for the link.
was it by layth?
then, why are some saying he is in favour of Rashad Khalifa ?salam PM .
the first part was by me . the second article was written by Layth in another thread . i have copied the article on my site .i think Layth believes in rashad's messengership but doesnt believe that rashad is the messenger in 381 .
salam.
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Everyone can be a messenger.
But no everyone can be a messenger of God.
Messenger someone who takes a message or documents from one person to another
(Cambridge dictionnary)So, to take the message is part of the messengership.
Muhammad was a messenger of God because he took the message from God (by wahi), and he conveyed it to the humankind.- Is the quran the last word of God ?
- Can anyone receive wahi from God after Muhammad ?
If we answer YES to the first question, and NO to the second, then noone today can claim to the a messenger of God.
But first, we should have to define what wahi is.
Peace
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Saladin 64/12 and 24/54..
Brother, you need to take that in context . 'Balaghul mubiin' is only for people who reject. For believers, there are other roles such as 3/164 and 59/7.
salam mquran .
2454 is both about believers and rejectors .but yes , i have to look further into this issue to be sure what a "rasool" is .
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Hi guys
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who is a messenger of God?1.is one a messenger of God becoz he is a wise human being?
2.is one a messenger of God becoz God chose him to convey His (God's) message( such as Quran and the other holy books) to the people?
3.is one a messenger of God becoz he believes so?any other definitions?
i believe in the 2nd one.
opinions welcome.Hey!
A "rassoul" is a medium, not necessarily a person.
yalla bye!
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Peace be upon you,
One is a messenger when one delivers a message.
I think we can all agree to that if we have mail delivered to our homes or jobs, etc.
With that in mind, a messenger of the God is one who delivers the God's message. What exactly is the God''s message? Is it the book people call "Koran"? Is it the book people call "Torah"?
We know the instruction in this reading(quran) states that we should ave trust in that which came to us and those before us?
I have come to the conclusion that the God is not referring to his "book club", but to VERIFYABLE TRUTHS that comes to all people. As generations go through life, trial and error brings to light how we should be living. These LAWS are many times written down and passed on. Sometimes the teaching of these LAWS are put into metaphoric stories or pictures.
The God is not asking us to blindly believe but to aquire KNOWLEDGE (that which is objectively verifyable).
There is always a first human being who comes into the KNOWLEDGE of a certain thing/situation by looking at the thing/situation in the context of the WHOLE, and this is prophecy. When it comes from within it is intuition. It is not hearing a deep dark loud voice saying "I am God..such and such", but it is the intuition that comes to you to solve a problem in life.
When this human passes this KNOWING(objective), not belief(subjective) to others, this is the God's messenger.
But "messenger" is not a title, it is an action of a human being. If the human is not delivering the message either verbally or by example, then this description does not apply.
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I have come to the conclusion that the God is not referring to his "book club", but to VERIFYABLE TRUTHS that comes to all people. As generations go through life, trial and error brings to light how we should be living. These LAWS are many times written down and passed on. Sometimes the teaching of these LAWS are put into metaphoric stories or pictures.
Very right. Al-quraan provides the 'clarifying signs' (ayaatun bayyinatun - 10/15) to these verifiable signs in our lives.
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But no everyone can be a messenger of God.
Can you be anymore right?? I can understand why every tom dick and harry wants to be a messenger, but to be a messenger of God, now that is a whole new story
IMHO, only God has the knowledge to say "this one is my messenger".
If we assume the quran is His last word, then as a consequence, there will be no more messenger of God after Muhammad.I am not against the fact that some people behave as "walking quran" (we should all try to behave like this), and become leaders of the ummah... But I would not agree that these people would be called, or would called themselves, messenger of God.
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One is a messenger when one delivers a message.
Maybe... Maybe not...
Here is the definition of the word "messenger" according to Cambridge dictionary
Messenger someone who takes a message or documents from one person to another
(Cambridge dictionnary)So, to take the message is part of the messengership.
Muhammad was a messenger of God because he took the message from God (by wahi), and he conveyed it to the humankind.Peace
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SaLaM JM
IMHO, only God has the knowledge to say "this one is my messenger".
That is very true. No human can decide who is a messenger and who is not.
If we assume the quran is His last word, then as a consequence, there will be no more messenger of God after Muhammad.
Its the seal of the 'prophet'. Not the messenger. HEre is the verse
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets. And God is fully aware of all things.
As you can see, there will be no more prophets. But a messenger ? yes. Some beleive it to be Jesus which by far sounds the mose realistic. But as you say, God knows best. Then again, people also beleive that any tom dick and harry can be a messenger. So... Hmm ?
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Salaamun alaikum JM,
IMHO, only God has the knowledge to say "this one is my messenger".
No, because the messengers in al-quraan say 'i am a messenger of God to you'. Therefore, they identified themselves as messengers too. The problem is, we have loaded the word messenger with a significance not afforded to it by al-quraan. Let Allah do the defining and all will be clear.
If we assume the quran is His last word, then as a consequence, there will be no more messenger of God after Muhammad.
There's nowhere in al-quraan where it says ar-rasool brings a new book. Ar-rasool are sent by Allah with specific functions in mind (3/164, 59/7, 48/2
Here is the definition of the word "messenger" according to Cambridge dictionary
Al-quraan uses the word 'ar-rasool', so we should seek clarifications from itself.
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Peace be upon you JM and all,
So, to take the message is part of the messengership.
Muhammad was a messenger of God because he took the message from God (by wahi), and he conveyed it to the humankindYes, this is also what I stated. A messenger is one who delivers a message. A messenger of the God takes the TRUTH and delivers it.
There is no statement whatsoever given for us to assume there are no more prophets and messengers, these are onging DESCRIPTIONS and each of us has this potential. SEAL of the prophets IN NO WAY means LAST Prophet. If you are fighting to protect a pre concieved idea, then you will argue that seal must somehow mean "no more", but the God has no difficulty in using the word LAST or END, and this was not used.
The key is in the word "muhamad", which most assume is a real person rather than a symbolism for a character type. Unless you reach this state of "muhammad" you are sealed from prophecy.
Seek the underlying meaning of these stories, do not take them literal.