WORLD IS AN ILLUSION??
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Salaam!
I was reading an excellent article on Harun Yahya's website called IDEALISM THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE MATRIX AND THE TRUE NATURE OF MATTER. http//www.harunyahya.com/matrix.php
Basically it went into how we cannot prove the existence of matter or this world in fact as our juorney through life is only perceptions and thus we cannot prove that we we experience actually exists. It's very interesting and worth a read.
The reason for this topic is to just get people's opinions on this and how it effects our day to day basis if we live by the principal that our expericences are just illusions and not "real."
PEACE
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Peace be upon you,
Harun Yahyas site is very good. I cant remember what that particular article was about but I'll read it again then reply.
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Peace,
None of "Harun Yahya" (pen name for Adnan Oktar) articles are original work and are derived and plagiarised from other sources. They are written by people other than Adnan Oktar himself - "Harun Yahya" is the name therefore of a cult of people; some ex-members (females) who have reported of being sexually abused by Adnan Oktar who believes himself to be the promised "imam mahdi". He refers to these younger cult members derogotarily as "motor"s.
You can read more about the charlatan Adnan Oktar on the 19.org website...
http//19.org/index.php?id=14,335,0,0,1,0
Regards.
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Peace,
The idea of reality being illusion was first described rigorously by George Berkeley 1685-1753 after having a vision.
The "Harun Yahya" website plagiarises (rips off) these ideas without reference as it does with most other topics also attempting to present them as if they are original ideas of Adnan Oktar.
Do a Google search for more on Berkeley who originated these ideas.
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Harun is a charlatan, but not everything he has stolen is off the wall crazy talk.
what can you make of this world other than an illusion? Everything can be broken down to a value of energy. By inventing powerfull microscopes, we now know that there are no such thing as "solid". This would indicate strongly, that everything that we percieve is a vibration of energy. And just like with any radio, you can change channels. Thus a heaven, thus a hell.
There are no time. Only a perception of it.
there is no spoon lol
692 Reality, what is the reality?
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Truth
Give our ancestors a little credit. These guys build the pyramids, apparently. They were no less capable of thinking up concepts and ideas than we are.
The idea of the illusionary world is age old, it's real old school actually.
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Harun is a charlatan, but not everything he has stolen is off the wall crazy talk.
I wasn't saying it was crazy talk. I was simply pointing out that they are plagiarised ideas by a pseudo-scholar Adnan Oktar who believes himself to be 'imam mahdi'. "Harun Yahya" is a cult organisation just like other cults eg. scientology etc. who lure members through smart appearing websites and slick advertising but exploit them once they are trapped.
It's best to make people abundantly aware of the evil side of this cult.
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Harun is a charlatan, but not everything he has stolen is off the wall crazy talk.
I wasn't saying it was crazy talk. I was simply pointing out that they are plagiarised ideas by a pseudo-scholar Adnan Oktar who believes himself to be 'imam mahdi'. "Harun Yahya" is a cult organisation just like other cults eg. scientology etc. who lure members through smart appearing websites and slick advertising but exploit them once they are trapped.
It's best to make people abundantly aware of the evil side of this cult.
Man, Mehdi's or messengers come 22 a dusin these day's.
Makes me think of some Bible quotes actually about the end times.And i agree. Cult's must be exposed for what they are. Blood sucking vampires on the human psyche (and the human vallet).
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Salaam!
All these comments about Harun Yahya being a charlatan and sexual predator are irrelevant to me. What matters to me is the body of work. Regardless of whether he stole the ideas or concepts the intention of this topic is to discuss these concepts and not the author. So do please read this up as its very interesting and important.....be open minded wink
PEACE
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Salam M_mehdi
I think this concept I've come across makes things alot more clearer when God says the world is an illusion! It all makes sense and makes you see the world alot more clearer for what it is.
In a nutshell what I've learnt is that your whole life is based on perceptions in a few cubic centimetres in your brain a dark and empty space shock
You rely on your body parts i.e eyes, tongue etc as a tool to percieve the world which sends electric signals to your brain which processes them into images, smell, taste etc. So really your only experiencing what your brain percieves it to be and you cannot prove the existence of anything external even your own body EXCEPT the real YOU which is your SOUL.
There's a nice analogy that you are a MAN/WOMAN in a big tower(your own body) trapped in the top floor(the empty part in your brain where images are percieved) and cannot escape while you view the world as if your watching a tv from there. It's illogical to say what your seeing is "real" because your not ACTUALLY experiencing the TRUE world and you cannot prove so.
I hope I've been clear on that as an introduction to this topic but for more detail read the web link I've gave as it goes into the Matrix too wink
Amazing isn't it if you stop yourself for a moment and think that the world is REALLY a matrix. Your way of thinking about the world does change for definite.
PEACE
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Peace 2Pac,
I will read this and let you know what I think after doing so, may take a day or two? Thanks for the link.
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Peace 2Pac,
Assuming the world was a matrix...what does it change? As in what are the implications?
There is no way to escape it or to know if it is real. So as far as we are concerned we are stuck in it.
First of all, matrix philosophy argues a universal negative by saying you cant prove it 'wrong' whilst providing no evidence/proof in FAVOUR of said case.
Secondly, even if the matrix world was real it makes absolutely no difference to us, so talking about it is like making a forum about a rock and talking about it. It has absolutely no relevance to us at all.
Thirdly, we know that something exists, because we exist - therefore everything is not an illusion since there is a 'real' part to everything and that is based on deductive logic in a premise no one can deny (logical objectivity cogito ergo sum), therefore everything is not an illusion.
I don't subscribe to relativism either, but for anyone else who changes their way of thinking after reading the articles or what not, it's all good...since I do not want to argue if everything is subjective wink
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Peace 2Pac,
Assuming the world was a matrix...what does it change? As in what are the implications?
I think the ideas are really to knock down materialism and demonstrate that there is an other side ie. a controller of the illusion - the God. That this illusion, that only the God can project is temporary and that we see the other side once our time here is up; death = waking up from the illusion.
Peace.
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Peace truth,
I think the ideas are really to knock down materialism and demonstrate that there is an other side ie. a controller of the illusion - the God. That this illusion, that only the God can project is temporary and that we see the other side once our time here is up; death = waking up from the illusion.
While I understand that, I also think that it might just be a switching around of terminology. Whats the definition of real/illusion here? Temporary as opposed to permanent?
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Peace 2Pac,
Assuming the world was a matrix...what does it change? As in what are the implications?
There is no way to escape it or to know if it is real. So as far as we are concerned we are stuck in it.
First of all, matrix philosophy argues a universal negative by saying you cant prove it 'wrong' whilst providing no evidence/proof in FAVOUR of said case.
Secondly, even if the matrix world was real it makes absolutely no difference to us, so talking about it is like making a forum about a rock and talking about it. It has absolutely no relevance to us at all.
Thirdly, we know that something exists, because we exist - therefore everything is not an illusion since there is a 'real' part to everything and that is based on deductive logic in a premise no one can deny (logical objectivity cogito ergo sum), therefore everything is not an illusion.
I don't subscribe to relativism either, but for anyone else who changes their way of thinking after reading the articles or what not, it's all good...since I do not want to argue if everything is subjective wink
Salaam!
I'm not going to knock down your own opinion because at the end of the day we have our own paths and journey we got to go through in life.
But it all comes down to who is "I" is "I" the physical us or is the real us inside us. But anyway i'm not going to blabble on about it because to each his own. wink
PEACE
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Peace be upon you all,
The world is an illusion. What we look at as matter is really energy. It is important to know so that you can KNOW oneness, not just believe it.
We have been put into this illusion as a test.
Many are distraced by the illusion, caught up in the life of this world.
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Dear bro. jaxal
Ofcourse Allah gives the glad tidings This world and the heavens above and everything inbetween were created with truth. But those who consider that they were created in vain, the warning from Allah is for sure For them their life is an illusion and they shall soon know! This is not so for the believers, the followers of the truth
Quran does not contradict its own truth. Our incomplete knowledge and our life based on such incompetency is nothing but illusion! HE has not created life for sport or boast but the rejecters have made their lives to be so. Allah warns about the lives of the majority except a very few, as illusion
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