How Many Wives, can You have according to Quran?

unknownuser

Ahmad wrote

if you remember the verse 43 "If you fear not to be just between the women then marry one"

You and other friends inspired by westeren propoganda think that "to marry more than one is harsh to women"

first of all, I donlt really care what the west says, you see the truth does not change from east to west, the Quran is clear arabic and it associted marrying more than one wife with the orphans, while I agree the verses didn't say explicitly marry the mothers of those orphans, it is the most logical understanidng bearing in mind that the Quran is too high for caring for the orphnas

but assuming the verse suggest marrying any other women with or without orphans, the same verse says marry only one if you fear not to be fair then later on on another verse it says we can't be fair

what clearer message can it be to marry only one? we will see later that Allah testified that we can't be fair and just between women

and at the same time you want to be the "best" follower and interpreter of Quran.

Now this is funny, thanks for the laugh bro, however I will accept myself trying to be one of the best followers to the Quran but not one of the best interpeters, I just do my best and I was blessed to have a native arabic tongue

But doing so you all forget the Verses regarding slaves and captives.
You have ignored the core point in my previous posts.

all the verses about slavery was to free them, and never was to have sex with them

and I don't consider Ma malakato Aymanokum slaves

Quran advises us to marry one but never makes a restriction on the number (upper limit 4).
Many of the Prophet's companions married more than one, Why?

first of all the prophets are different and were dealt differntly by God, so please don't compare us with them

Let me try to explain it by an example

I think I can be fair between more than one woman, therfore according to your interpretation of Quran I can marry more than one; simple any one can,
and the question is upto how many???

I think I could not make my question simpler than this?

wrong bro, the Quran cleary said the following

"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire...... "

(129)

Ahmed and others waiting for your replies, but Dear Ahmed don't behave like a teenager; try to understand the question and than answer it with proper backing.

ok, did I acted like a teen this time?

now what is the question pleaase?

to marry one

or to marry more

my undersatnding according to 43 in conjunction with 4129 that men should marry only one, if they care less about not being just between women then the other wives must have children to care for and his desire to marry her is to care for the children nopt to sleep with her

if it is a license for men to sleep with other women legally then the whole thing does not make any sense indeed

peace bro

silentsalaam

the article at this website has interesting points on this topic.

http//www.answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm

Raj-ah

ok, did I acted like a teen this time?

Not this time.

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if you remember the verse 43 "If you fear not to be just between the women then marry one"

"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire...... "

Both above are your translations and then iterperations. Can you see the BIG diffrence in those two.

"Never be able to be fair"
"If you fear not to be fair and just"

Just keep on changing and twisting the words as per own satisfaction is no good Idea.
Which one is the correct one; choose, before I comment.

At the time of Quran there were slaves, women slaves were allowed and even allowed in Quran that is fact which cannot be changed. MAy be hard for many to swallow as we live in present world dominated by westren ideas.
To west Prophet was a Pedophile, but if we dig deeper we come to know that a century ago most of the european were Pedophiles.
Please read my debate at www.apostatesofislam.com under title "Was Muhammad a Pedophile?"

Quran did not restricted any number to marriages any how advised it is better to marry one along with having sexual realtions with slaves/captives/temporary marriages/ etc.
To marry one is against Human nature, right or wrong is another debate.

first of all the prophets are different and were dealt differntly by God, so please don't compare us with them

Prophet is example for Human kind and is a Human; Dealt diffrently in divine sense, Yes, but the issues realting everyday life, No.
Moreover I am talking about his companions such as his friends.

if they care less about not being just between women then the other wives must have children to care for and his desire to marry her is to care for the children nopt to sleep with her

Again you are talking against Human nature, why one should MARRY just to take care of children that can be done without MARRYING too. Offcourse the need for sleeping with her is equally important.

unknownuser

Hi Raj-ah,
A muslim may marry 3 additional women(must be widows) at a time, ONLY when the all of the following are obeyed.

*when the widows with orphans is incapable of providing , and taking care(of herself and her children) on her own. and is in desperate need of safety and security, and when marriage is the ONLY final resort, with which the man(who wishes to help) can provide for, protect and help them.
*And he is permitted to go ahead, under the above conditions, ONLY if he is capable of being just and impartial among all his wives and capable of providing for all his wives and children, financially and emotionally adequately, in a just and impartial manner.

*The above does not mean women(widows) are incapable of providing for themselves and being secure on their own. They are very much capable of that.
But if a woman is not able to, and needs/requires help and wishes a man to help her and if a man(who wishes to help) cant provide the help required adequately, without marriage, ONLY then, can he marry the woman in question.
*And the man can marry ONLY after obtaining consensus from his exsisting wife.

So, in the above, there are too many clauses and conditions, which pretty much rule out 'permisibility of polygamy' in today's world.

Well, Since conditions today are different, most of the clauses and conditions wont be met
such as-

In Today'S world
*Women can be financially independent
*Women can be socially independent
*Woman is considered in equality and hence wont be deprived.
*There are organisations and other sources to help desperate women
*Women do not outnumber men and hence widows can very well marry single men if they so wish.
*And in today's society (laws), marriage cant be the only resort to help a desperate women adequately. They can be absolutely helped with out having to marry.
*And moreover, Man cant be just and impartial to 2 or more wives. And no woman would wish to share her husband.

So, considering all of the above, most of the clauses dont get met, and hence Polygamy wont be permissible in today's world.

unknownuser

ok, did I acted like a teen this time?

Not this time.

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if you remember the verse 43 "If you fear not to be just between the women then marry one"

"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire...... "

Both above are your translations and then iterperations. Can you see the BIG diffrence in those two.

"Never be able to be fair"
"If you fear not to be fair and just"

wrong, they are not my translations, and I agree that they are perfect translation, I speak arabic fluently, do you?

Just keep on changing and twisting the words as per own satisfaction is no good Idea.

Haha, to my satisfaction?, thanks for the laugh, my interpetation is against my satisfaction, I would love to even marry more than 4 but you know I can't help it as Allah statewd to marry only ONE

Which one is the correct one; choose, before I comment.

I donlt understand what you mean?, are you testing me or somethin?

At the time of Quran there were slaves, women slaves were allowed and even allowed in Quran that is fact which cannot be changed. MAy be hard for many to swallow as we live in present world dominated by westren ideas.

yep and the Quran came to free those slaves, not to abuse them

To west Prophet was a Pedophile, but if we dig deeper we come to know that a century ago most of the european were Pedophiles.

I agree that a century ago most european were paedophile, but Mohammad never been

Please read my debate at www.apostatesofislam.com under title "Was Muhammad a Pedophile?"

sure will try to read it, but I agree that this great man never been, I defend against this accusation as well

Quran did not restricted any number to marriages any how advised it is better to marry one along with having sexual realtions with slaves/captives/temporary marriages/ etc.
To marry one is against Human nature, right or wrong is another debate.

mate I don't give a fluke about slaves, captices or similar, I'm talking year 2005

to marry one isounds fair to me, and to marry more does not sound fair to me despite I'd love to marry ten if I can afford it

first of all the prophets are different and were dealt differntly by God, so please don't compare us with them

Prophet is example for Human kind and is a Human; Dealt diffrently in divine sense, Yes, but the issues realting everyday life, No.
Moreover I am talking about his companions such as his friends.

yes they are an example but only in what relates to Allah and His deen, not an example in theor personal lives which I will classify as Idol Worshipping, now marriages with the prophets are differnt to the rest of human marriages, for example the prophet wives can't marry after him, also Solyman married 700 and not 11 or 9

if they care less about not being just between women then the other wives must have children to care for and his desire to marry her is to care for the children nopt to sleep with her

Again you are talking against Human nature, why one should MARRY just to take care of children that can be done without MARRYING too. Offcourse the need for sleeping with her is equally important.

Because he can have sexual joy with his first wife, they all the same in sex aren't they?

or you reckon the motive to marry more than one should be sexual?

AngelaRose

Do all the Middle East countries allow Muslims to marry up to 4 wives?

unknownuser

Hi Angelarose,

Do all the Middle East countries allow Muslims to marry up to 4 wives?

Yeah, they do. And muslims living in certain other countries who have their own sharia(islamic law) also get permitted by the law.
But this exsists only becoz these muslims dont use their brains to understand why Allah has said something. They have their blind interpretations of the Quran.

mquran

Yeah, they do. And muslims living in certain other countries who have their own sharia(islamic law) also get permitted by the law.
But this exsists only becoz these muslims dont use their brains to understand why Allah has said something. They have their blind interpretations of the Quran.

Why did Allah allow polygyny?

unknownuser

Hi Mquran,

Yeah, they do. And muslims living in certain other countries who have their own sharia(islamic law) also get permitted by the law.
But this exsists only becoz these muslims dont use their brains to understand why Allah has said something. They have their blind interpretations of the Quran.

Why did Allah allow polygyny?

If u read the previous posts in this thread, u will find ur answer.
Peace!

mquran

If u read the previous posts in this thread, u will find ur answer.
Peace!

No, im asking your view because you claimed that the 'muslims' follow blind interpretation. Therefore, your interpretation should be substantiated by al-quraan. May I know Allah allowed polygyny please?

unknownuser

Hi Mquran

If u read the previous posts in this thread, u will find ur answer.
Peace!

No, im asking your view because you claimed that the 'muslims' follow blind interpretation. Therefore, your interpretation should be substantiated by al-quraan. May I know Allah allowed polygyny please?

U can find my post in this very same page, on the subject, if u care to look.
Peace!

SwedenMajidah

Salaam all,

I really wonders why many men like the idea of having many wives!?

I mean is it the sex drifts or the big honour?

Then I can wish to have more than one man

AngelaRose

Salaam all,

I really wonders why many men like the idea of having many wives!?

I mean is it the sex drifts or the big honour?

Then I can wish to have more than one man

Amen to that, sis! wink

TheNabi

Peace,

I used to be against the polygamy thing, but I believe the ilah/god of al-quran holds no disdain for it.

I really wonders why many men like the idea of having many wives!?

In my opinion, more sex and different sex with different women. That is for those who may enjoy or flirt with the idea of polygamy.

I mean is it the sex drifts or the big honour?

I think sex can be affected by the pressure of one's peers or society.

Then I can wish to have more than one man

Sure you can, but if you're under divine injunction than it is not for you to exercise the option. There is no option in the case of women.

Joe

mquran

U can find my post in this very same page, on the subject, if u care to look.

I did see your post, but unfortunately, you've not provided evidence for your statement

A muslim may marry 3 additional women(must be widows) at a time, ONLY when the all of the following are obeyed

Where did Allah say this please? I.e 'you can only marry more than one ONLY when...'

Raj-ah

Hi Raj-ah,
A muslim may marry 3 additional women(must be widows) at a time, ONLY when the all of the following are obeyed.

Hi,
Logically in today's world your argument may seem interesting, but remember we are talking about Quran, you have to back it up with Quran; very rightly as pointed out by mquran.

Than again you like Ahmad Bhagat are not touching the verses regarding "which right hand pocesses".
Now I am repeating this again and again is because some of us say that they follow Quran and Quran alone strictly, so we should be clear about what Quran says.

But this exsists only becoz these muslims dont use their brains to understand why Allah has said something. They have their blind interpretations of the Quran.

No, Muslim it is not just as simple, calling others brainless will not give any solution.

Sweet dish lady wrote

Salaam all,

Salaam

I really wonders why many men like the idea of having many wives!?

Then you have not studied Human physcy.

I mean is it the sex drifts or the big honour?

Both. In west where polygene is not practiced and is criticized, the number of illegal realtions is very high. This is a long debate.

Then I can wish to have more than one man

Not all wishes are fullfilled.
If you don't like your husband for any obvious reason you can leave him this is called asking "Khulah" from your Husband and can marry the next, Islam allows that, did you knew??
Now having more than one Husband at a time will end up in complex problems, you want to discuss them??

mquran

Salaamun alaikum,

After rereading this thread, I'd like to state the facts readily available to us without much or any deduction about this issue

It's very clear that in a normal situation, al-quraan doesn't say 'marry only one'. 4/3 talks about 'the orphans' and marrying them, not about marriage in general.
It's also very clear that al-quraan doesnt address women and tell them to marry only one guy.
For those of us who follow al-quraan, its been a perennial concern of us to not make haraam what Allah didn't make haraam. And so, for us to say its forbidden to practise polygyny or polyandry.

Al-quraan is very clear when it wants to be but for this case, it doesn't use the command form in a generic situation. There's anfiqoo (spend) but no 'ankihoo'. We need to explore the reasons behind this.

unknownuser

Salaamun alaikum,

After rereading this thread, I'd like to state the facts readily available to us without much or any deduction about this issue

It's very clear that in a normal situation, al-quraan doesn't say 'marry only one'. 4/3 talks about 'the orphans' and marrying them, not about marriage in general.

Peace mate

I have to disagree here mate, if the normal situation id TO BE FAIR in all asspect then the Quran said marry only one to fulfil this normality

also 43 talks about the Orphans in gerneral, IT NEVER SUGGESTED that those orphans are women, you see, the confusion on considering those orphaned mentioned in 43 as women is coming from 4129 where the Quran specifically talks about the orphaned women whom we want to marry and some don't pay their dowry to them because they are orphanded women

It's also very clear that al-quraan doesnt address women and tell them to marry only one guy.

I would say it should be logical to understand, also bevuse he didnlt say to them mary more the one then we have to take it as one which is the common sense

For those of us who follow al-quraan, its been a perennial concern of us to not make haraam what Allah didn't make haraam. And so, for us to say its forbidden to practise polygyny or polyandry.

we didn't forbid anything, we only aware of the fact that no man can be fair between two women hence the Quran said "Marry Only One" and that is normality as I see it, at least normality to be fair in all aspects of life

Al-quraan is very clear when it wants to be but for this case, it doesn't use the command form in a generic situation. There's anfiqoo (spend) but no 'ankihoo'. We need to explore the reasons behind this.

Ankiho in the Quran always means "to marry"

anfiqoo most of the time means "To spend money", I can't recall another meaning so far

peace be with you

mquran

AhmedBaghatalso 43 talks about the Orphans in gerneral, IT NEVER SUGGESTED that those orphans are women, you see, the confusion on considering those orphaned mentioned in 43 as women is coming from 4129 where the Quran specifically talks about the orphaned women whom we want to marry and some don't pay their dowry to them because they are orphanded women

I'm sorry I dont understand what you're saying here. 4/3 uses the phrasing 'maa taba lakum min an-nisaa'..'whats please to you from the women'. Who are 'the women' here? The verse starts with 'wa in khiftum alla tuqsitoo FIL YATAMA', then it says FAankihu ma taba lakum...

Whom would you suggest are if not from al-yatama ?

unknownuser

AhmedBaghatalso 43 talks about the Orphans in gerneral, IT NEVER SUGGESTED that those orphans are women, you see, the confusion on considering those orphaned mentioned in 43 as women is coming from 4129 where the Quran specifically talks about the orphaned women whom we want to marry and some don't pay their dowry to them because they are orphanded women

I'm sorry I dont understand what you're saying here. 4/3 uses the phrasing 'maa taba lakum min an-nisaa'..'whats please to you from the women'. Who are 'the women' here? The verse starts with 'wa in khiftum alla tuqsitoo FIL YATAMA', then it says FAankihu ma taba lakum...

Whom would you suggest are if not from al-yatama ?

Peace

well, yes the verse started with 'wa in khiftum alla tuqsitoo FIL YATAMA'

those YATAMA are the prophaned in gereral any age any sex, that is how the Quran always talked about them and was also very high about the caring for them

the verse suggested a solution to that problem we have 'wa in khiftum alla tuqsitoo FIL YATAMA' , which is "'maa taba lakum min an-nisaa'", I see the Nisaa as the mothers of those Orphans while this is an assumption for sure, but it is the ONLY ASSUMPTION ASSUMED

now let's see how many assumptions your understanding must have

The YATAMA means only women in 43
Those women Yatama are also at the age of marriage "not kids"
Nisaa means other women who are not Yatama

you see you need at least 3 assumptions, i needed only one

but morally speaking you understanding will fail really bad, let's look at it again

we have a problem of men fearing not to be fair to orphaned women they desire to marry, can you please tell me how they can;t be fair to those orphaned women?

the solution is simply "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THOSE YATAMA AND GO AND MARRY UP TO 4 NON YATAMA" come on bro what sort of joke or teaching is this?

it is an invitaion to lust and only men are invited bro

those yatama will be sitting there untill they find someone kind enough not to fear to be unjust with them

come on bro, if we are fearing not to be just to the orphaned women then we need a solution that relates to those orphaned women not a solution that relates to the lusty men and just don't worry about the yatama, sounds like bible teaching to me bro lol

now assume that the verse means by the Nisaa as the mothers of those Yatama and you will see that everything will make sense and no conflict whatsoever will arise

peace