According to Quran: Is Paradise only for the Muslims ?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you all,

anyone who rejects islam after the advant of islam, will not see paradise until the camel go through the hole of the needle

Peacefulness(islam has been the way since the beginning of creation, there is no "advent" of "islam".

Is the God saying that all the other people in the world like Buddists, Taoists, Hindus, American Indians, Kemetans, Zulus, etc etc are wicked and not worthy of the "garden"?

What about the sabians mentioned? Why is there no further talk of them like there is further talk of "nasara" and "hadoo"?

unknownuser

peace Ahmed,
you wrote

anyone who rejects islam after the advant of islam, will not see paradise until the camel go through the hole of the needle

546-And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary confirming the law that had come before him We sent him the Gospel therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
547-Let the people of the Gospel Judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) those who rebel.

brother if you are right then tell me why? even after the advent of Islam the people of the gospel are advised to judge by what Allah hath revealed therein?
bye.

Bro, what I said above is from the Quran "Not from me" i will show the verses later inshaallah

the request from people of the gospel to judge with what Allah revealed was at their time when there was no Quran, now a new request is on the table which is to Judge by the preserved revelation because they corrupted theirs

peace

unknownuser

Peace be upon you all,

anyone who rejects islam after the advant of islam, will not see paradise until the camel go through the hole of the needle

Peacefulness(islam has been the way since the beginning of creation, there is no "advent" of "islam".

sorry bro, Islam means submission to Allah, this peacefulness to describe Islam is nothing but a joke, sorry, to be peaceful is part of being A Submitter to Allah though, and part of that submission is not to be peaceful with the enmy of our religion who want to kill us

Is the God saying that all the other people in the world like Buddists, Taoists, Hindus, American Indians, Kemetans, Zulus, etc etc are wicked and not worthy of the "garden"?

Yes your God is saying this in the Quran, thanks

What about the sabians mentioned? Why is there no further talk of them like there is further talk of "nasara" and "hadoo"?

please elaborate

peace

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

sorry bro, Islam means submission to Allah, this peacefulness to describe Islam is nothing but a joke, sorry

Where is the word "allah" in "islam"?

to be peaceful is part of being A Submitter to Allah though, and part of that submission is not to be peaceful with the enmy of our religion who want to kill us

You have to be peaceful so as not to get REVENGE but instead to want your enemy to understand Truth and correct themselves.

idolfree1 wrote
Is the God saying that all the other people in the world like Buddists, Taoists, Hindus, American Indians, Kemetans, Zulus, etc etc are wicked and not worthy of the "garden"?

Yes your God is saying this in the Quran, thanks

Where?

idolfree1 wrote
What about the sabians mentioned? Why is there no further talk of them like there is further talk of "nasara" and "hadoo"?

please elaborate

We dont really need to take this further. You will need to understand that it is not only Europeans and Arabs that go to paradise, and the africans , chinese, and hindus ect go to hell.

Jaxal

SaLaM idolfree

Where is the word "allah" in "islam"?

Can you think of any other entity to whome we should submit? Submission can only be to 'Allah'

TheNabi

Peace,

People can submit to anything they choose. Islam does not mean submission to Allah unless it is used in such a context.

Islam = Peace or Obedience

Just like ahadeeth does not mean sayings of Muhammad, unless used in that context.

Hadeeth = Story or Narration

Joe

unknownuser

Peace,

People can submit to anything they choose. Islam does not mean submission to Allah unless it is used in such a context.

hello,

also it does not mean peace unless it is used in such a conext, but again if the context means peace then it can't be "Islam" it has to be "Silm" or "Salam" but never "Islam"

Islam = Peace or Obedience"

I will take it as Obedience, but I can't take it as peace, because part of the religion is not peace when it comes to defending ourselves, because it encourges the fighting and not forgiving at that circumstance of aggression as well peace means "Salam" or "Silm" but never means "Islam"

Just like ahadeeth does not mean sayings of Muhammad, unless used in that context.

many of the hadith is the sayings of the prophet as well

Hadeeth = Story or Narration

Quran also = Story or Narration

the question is is the stories told are true stories or not in both hadith and the Quran

Peace

Ahmed

agentxxx

Peace ahmed,
Your wrote

Bro, what I said above is from the Quran "Not from me" i will show the verses later inshaallah

Brother, what I am saying is also from Quran )
you also wrote

the request from people of the gospel to judge with what Allah revealed was at their time when there was no Quran, now a new request is on the table which is to Judge by the preserved revelation because they corrupted theirs

No Quran? Brother if the revelation period is correct? Then this versed was revealed almost 17 years after the first revelation. My fair Guess is 80%+ Quran was there.

How would you explain these verses?

7159 Of the people of Moses there is a section WHO GUIDE AND DO JUSTICE IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH.

3113-Not all of them are alike OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE A PORTION THAT STAND (FOR THE RIGHT); they rehearse the signs of Allah all night long and then prostrate themselves in adoration.
3114-They believe in ALLAH and THE LAST DAY; THEY ENJOIN WHAT IS RIGHT and FORBID WHAT IS WRONG; and they (hasten in emulation) in (all) good works; THEY ARE IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS.
3115-OF THE GOOD THAT THEY DO NOTHING WILL BE REJECTED OF THEM; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

375-Among the People of the Book ARE SOME WHO IF ENTRUSTED WITH A HOARD OF GOLD WILL (READILY) PAY IT BACK; others who if entrusted with a single silver coin will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding because they say "There is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (pagans)." But they tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it.
376- Nay. THOSE THAT KEEP THEIR PLIGHTED FAITH and ACT ARIGHT VERILY ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO ACT ARIGHT.

BYE.

TheNabi

Peace Ahmed,

peace, consequently it does not mean peace unless it used in such a conext

Indeed. I can be saying peace to you with infamy in my heart or say I am promoting peace when I am promoting mischief in the land.

I agree with you.

I will take it as Obedience, but I can't take it as peace, because part of the religion is not peace when it comes to defending ourselves, because it encourge the fighting and not forgiving at that circunstanc as well peace means "Salam" NOT "Islam"

Okay, you can take it as you see fit so far as your knowledge is developed.

peary of the hadith is the sayings of the prophet

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. That first word is really throwing me off.

Quran also = Story or Narration

I was talking about hadeeth.

the question is is the stories told are true stories or not in both hadith and the Quran

Well I cannot confirm the ahadeeth in alquran from a historical perspective but I can confirm them according the the clearest method of authenticity given me .

Joe

unknownuser

Peace ahmed,

Peace bro

Your wrote

Bro, what I said above is from the Quran "Not from me" i will show the verses later inshaallah

Brother, what I am saying is also from Quran )

Then we have a conflict here bro, let?s compare the two and see for ourselves what is the outcome

you also wrote

the request from people of the gospel to judge with what Allah revealed was at their time when there was no Quran, now a new request is on the table which is to Judge by the preserved revelation because they corrupted theirs

No Quran? Brother if the revelation period is correct? Then this versed was revealed almost 17 years after the first revelation. My fair Guess is 80%+ Quran was there.

bro please and don?t get me wrong here, I careless on when the suras were revealed, we have a book claiming itself to be the preserved words of hid last message to humanity before the judgment day, being a Christian or whatever the warning is for all

I feel I don?r understand your point, can you please explain your point regarding following the books by the Christians, thanks

How would you explain these verses?

7159 Of the people of Moses there is a section WHO GUIDE AND DO JUSTICE IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH.

but when was that? Is it now, or then?

3113-Not all of them are alike OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE A PORTION THAT STAND (FOR THE RIGHT); they rehearse the signs of Allah all night long and then prostrate themselves in adoration.
3114-They believe in ALLAH and THE LAST DAY; THEY ENJOIN WHAT IS RIGHT and FORBID WHAT IS WRONG; and they (hasten in emulation) in (all) good works; THEY ARE IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS.
3115-OF THE GOOD THAT THEY DO NOTHING WILL BE REJECTED OF THEM; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

as far as I believe the above verses were revealed concerning a few persists who embraced Islam like Assad Ibn Obaid and others, but again I don?t understand your point can you elaborate please before I discuss the verses in great details

375-Among the People of the Book ARE SOME WHO IF ENTRUSTED WITH A HOARD OF GOLD WILL (READILY) PAY IT BACK; others who if entrusted with a single silver coin will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding because they say "There is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (pagans)." But they tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it.
376- Nay. THOSE THAT KEEP THEIR PLIGHTED FAITH and ACT ARIGHT VERILY ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO ACT ARIGHT.

BYE.

The above 2 verses bro are talking about some incidents that happened in the past between Mohammad and some Christians, nothing conflicting here

The Quran talks a lot about the Jews and the Christians anyway so if they have something positive it will be mentioned

For examples Allah said many times that He preferred the Jews over the Alameen, would that be also a conflict as you see it

Peace

I can't keep up with the replys I have to make lol , sorry if I can't make a few

unknownuser

Peace to all

here is where the Quran says anyone who is not a muslim will be one of the losers at the end

YUSUFALI If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

PICKTHAL And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

SHAKIR And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

(85)

Peace to all

unknownuser

Hello again

I found those two interesting verses in the same sura no 3

003.019
YUSUFALI The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will) Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.

PICKTHAL Lo! religion with Allah (is) the Surrender (to His Will and Guidance). Those who (formerly) received the Scripture differed only after knowledge came unto them, through transgression among themselves. Whoso disbelieveth the revelations of Allah (will find that) lo! Allah is swift at reckoning.

SHAKIR Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning.

003.020
YUSUFALI So if they dispute with thee, say "I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants.

PICKTHAL And if they argue with thee, (O Muhammad), say I have surrendered my purpose to Allah and (so have) those who follow me. And say unto those who have received the Scripture and those who read not Have ye (too) surrendered? If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message (unto them). Allah is Seer of (His) bondmen.

SHAKIR But if they dispute with you, say I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and (so) every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants.

(19)

(20)

Peace

agentxxx

peace Ahmed,
you wrote
bro please and don?t get me wrong here, I careless on when the suras were revealed, we have a book claiming itself to be the preserved words of hid last message to humanity before the judgment day, being a Christian or whatever the warning is for all
i think it is impotant to know when a certain verse was revealed, its background and the people who were being addressed, this helps a lot in the understanding of that perticular verse. I dont think it is his last message to humanity.

I feel I don?r understand your point, can you please explain your point regarding following the books by the Christians, thanks

what i was trying to say was that according to this verse the christians are being asked to pass judgements according to what was revealed to them by Allah in the gospel.

7159 Of the people of Moses there is a section WHO GUIDE AND DO JUSTICE IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH.

but when was that? Is it now, or then?

its always.

the request from people of the gospel to judge with what Allah revealed was at their time when there was no Quran, now a new request is on the table which is to Judge by the preserved revelation because they corrupted theirs

corrupted theirs? what about our? is it free of corruption? we hate to see others attacking our religion, but love to attack other religions ?
regards

Tahira

Dear brothers

I can just imagine the lot of you in heaven, still having debates and not being able to agree with each other. Sorry i won't be joining you because you see we sunni women are wicked and cursed.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

I find it interesting that when "islam" is attacked in the world, everyone can see how the word is associated with Peace, but then go right back to "submission".

Why do we greet PEACE be upon you instead of "submission" be upon you?

That which sister Tahira envisions as "heaven" is none other tan a peaceful state of mind.

Fighting the aggressors is "keeping the Peace", there is no contradiction in this.

The submission falls under "sujood" which means "hear and obey".

I agree they compliment each other, but certainly it is PEACEwe are after, the greeting in the Garden is PEACE!

agentxxx

peace idolfree1,
you wrote

I find it interesting that when "islam" is attacked in the world, everyone can see how the word is associated with Peace, but then go right back to "submission".

me too bro lol

I agree they compliment each other, but certainly it is PEACEwe are after, the greeting in the Garden is PEACE!

100% with you brother
260-Eat and drink of that which Allah hath provided, and do not act corruptly, making mischief in the earth.
Its all About PEACE.

peace sis Tahira.
you wrote
Dear brothers

I can just imagine the lot of you in heaven,

thank you sis, it makes you different from people who imagine lot of us in hell D .

Sorry i won't be joining you because you see we sunni women are wicked and cursed.

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PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL.

unknownuser

peace Ahmed,
you wrote
bro please and don?t get me wrong here, I careless on when the suras were revealed, we have a book claiming itself to be the preserved words of hid last message to humanity before the judgment day, being a Christian or whatever the warning is for all

i think it is impotant to know when a certain verse was revealed, its background and the people who were being addressed, this helps a lot in the understanding of that perticular verse. I dont think it is his last message to humanity.

you see bro it is just going to open the doors for speculations, remeber verse 37 it sayd there verses which are clear and others which are not clear, the ones who are sick in the heart will chase the meaning of the unclear verses seeking discord, the problem is you will never now who is seeking discord or not, so it better to shut the door from the first place especially if has nothing to do with the believe in Allah

the people with knowledge should not even chase the meaning of these unclear verses, Allah is telling us that those knowlegable believers will accept the unclear verses along with the clear ones as both from Allah

those unclear verses are nothing but a test to the believers and their counter part

I feel I don?r understand your point, can you please explain your point regarding following the books by the Christians, thanks

what i was trying to say was that according to this verse the christians are being asked to pass judgements according to what was revealed to them by Allah in the gospel.

Yes but before it got corrupted, same with the jews, you see the problem we have that when Allah give the reposnbility of preserving His laws to the humans, they failed Him and ended up corrupting it, so Allah provided His last warning to all before the Judgment day and He took charge of preserving it, i.e. this is the law for all humans for 1425 years and will stay as is till the judgment day

7159 Of the people of Moses there is a section WHO GUIDE AND DO JUSTICE IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH.

the request from people of the gospel to judge with what Allah revealed was at their time when there was no Quran, now a new request is on the table which is to Judge by the preserved revelation because they corrupted theirs

corrupted theirs? what about our? is it free of corruption? we hate to see others attacking our religion, but love to attack other religions ?

no bro I donlt hate others attacking my religion as long as they present their attacks in a politically correct manner, I always love to dicuss critics to my religion, I really enjoy it because I always find the answer in the Quran, now we have some critics in hand which are as following

I'm claining the bible (OT and NT) have been corrupted by humans unlike the Quran
you claim that the Quran must also be corrupted as if, no book should esacpe the human sickness of corruption to mislead their fellow human benings

let's debate it bro in a constructive manner and I will convince you inshaallah with my conclusion

peace be with you

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

peace be with you bro

I find it interesting that when "islam" is attacked in the world, everyone can see how the word is associated with Peace, but then go right back to "submission".

I could not understand the above bro, sorry, can you elanorate please?

Why do we greet PEACE be upon you instead of "submission" be upon you?

bro what is greeting has to do with the name of a religion?, have we ever seen the christians greet each other by saying this "Christ"?

bro the name of the religion has nothing to do with peace greating, being peacful is just part of the religion, that's all

Fighting the aggressors is "keeping the Peace", there is no contradiction in this.

really fighting will keep the peace?

i have never seen this in the whole history of mankind, can you please give me a few real examples not metaphors

The submission falls under "sujood" which means "hear and obey".

sorry sujood means to prostrate to Allah and has nothing to do with submission to Allah, but we need to prove the submission with actions like sujood, fasting, zakat, Salat (sujood is part of the salat anyway)

I agree they compliment each other, but certainly it is PEACEwe are after, the greeting in the Garden is PEACE!

yep the peace of mind we are after and that can only be achived by Submitting menatlly to Allah

mate do you consider Allah is a real God or a metaphoric god?

peace

agentxxx

peace ahmed,

you wrote

you see bro it is just going to open the doors for speculations, remeber verse 37 it sayd there verses which are clear and others which are not clear, the ones who are sick in the heart will chase the meaning of the unclear verses seeking discord, the problem is you will never now who is seeking discord or not, so it better to shut the door from the first place especially if has nothing to do with the believe in Allah

the people with knowledge should not even chase the meaning of these unclear verses, Allah is telling us that those knowlegable believers will accept the unclear verses along with the clear ones as both from Allah

those unclear verses are nothing but a test to the believers and their counter part

the verse 37 says there are two Categories of verses in Quran, but it does not indicate which verse falls into which category? and it is up to us to decide, those verses that cannot be explained in a logical way, we say are either unclear, symbolic or stories. why doesnt the muslim scholars
get together and decide it ones and for all, which of the verses fall under the category of clear and which are sybolic? instead of leaving it to the discretion of the readers.

you also wrote

no bro I donlt hate others attacking my religion as long as they present their attacks in a politically correct manner, I always love to dicuss critics to my religion, I really enjoy it because I always find the answer in the Quran, now we have some critics in hand which are as following

I'm claining the bible (OT and NT) have been corrupted by humans unlike the Quran
you claim that the Quran must also be corrupted as if, no book should esacpe the human sickness of corruption to mislead their fellow human benings

let's debate it bro in a constructive manner and I will convince you inshaallah with my conclusion

brother I am not sure about this corruption but indeed I have my doubts? so you can start by telling me how it was collected and compiled? and through what sourses has it reached us intact?
regards.

unknownuser

peace ahmed,

Peace bro

you wrote

you see bro it is just going to open the doors for speculations, remember verse 37 it sayd there verses which are clear and others which are not clear, the ones who are sick in the heart will chase the meaning of the unclear verses seeking discord, the problem is you will never now who is seeking discord or not, so it better to shut the door from the first place especially if has nothing to do with the believe in Allah

the people with knowledge should not even chase the meaning of these unclear verses, Allah is telling us that those knowlegable believers will accept the unclear verses along with the clear ones as both from Allah

those unclear verses are nothing but a test to the believers and their counter part

the verse 37 says there are two Categories of verses in Quran, but it does not indicate which verse falls into which category?

and it is up to us to decide, those verses that cannot be explained in a logical way, we say are either unclear, symbolic or stories. why doesnt the muslim scholars
get together and decide it ones and for all, which of the verses fall under the category of clear and which are sybolic? instead of leaving it to the discretion of the readers.

Of course it does not, it is designed to expose the people with sick hearts, however it is very simple to identify, if the meaning is not clear and can mean a few things or the meaning is crystal clear

I understand that understanding the meaning can be relative from one to another, that is why what you will proposed is a damn good idea for the Muslims to do, i wonder why they never thought of why you managed to think of, that is also what I propose

you also wrote

no bro I donlt hate others attacking my religion as long as they present their attacks in a politically correct manner, I always love to dicuss critics to my religion, I really enjoy it because I always find the answer in the Quran, now we have some critics in hand which are as following

I'm claining the bible (OT and NT) have been corrupted by humans unlike the Quran
you claim that the Quran must also be corrupted as if, no book should esacpe the human sickness of corruption to mislead their fellow human benings

let's debate it bro in a constructive manner and I will convince you inshaallah with my conclusion

brother I am not sure about this corruption but indeed I have my doubts?

bro you as a Muslim is invited by the Quran to have that doubt, I did accept the invitation and spent about 15 years trying to tackle that doubt and Alhamdulellah I passed that period for good, the Quran for me is one thing I take for granted

so you can start by telling me how it was collected and compiled? and through what sourses has it reached us intact?
regards.

Bro we can tackle all these issues later regarding the collection and compiling, i know it all, but it will not be fair to judge a book by how it was collected or compiled 1400 years ago, because simply we will never be able to prove that what we heard is 100% right beyond reasonable doubt, like the hadith exactly

but the point is the Quran is intact for 1400 years and this was enough sign for me to put the collection and compiling subject aside until I exhaust its content

and that is what i did, I exhausted its content by studding it to the finest details even going through the hadith to see what all paries has said about it, as well it was compared with the Bible and the Veda

the point is we don?t have many holy books around, we have a few, like the OT the NT , the Veda and the Quran, possibly the Dead Sea Scrolls as well, and might be another couple that I'm not aware of, anyway, it is very easy to prove that the Quran stands out high between all these books, it is enough that no human claimed to be the author, it is also enough that it was not changed for 1400 years and we still counting, as well it came with a built in challenges to humanity, which is to write a sura like it, not enough?, how about this

find any grammar mistake
find any historical mistake
find any scientific mistake
find any bloody mistake

and yet no challenge was met by any human, jinn, or any other god

it needs time bro to submitt, that time is years and years not months

Peace be with you man