According to Quran: Is Paradise only for the Muslims ?
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peace Ahmed,
you wrotealso I thought you are a new muslim, but it seems to me that you are not muslim at all, am i right?
no brother you are absolutely wrong, Alhamdu lilla i am proud of being a muslim, I cannot tell you about my family for the fear of retribution, but I will tell you i am from a very prominent family in pakistan, my father was in showbiz, and there are dozens of web sites dedicated to him, during the last two decades he said goodbye to showbiz and dedicated all his energy and time in social work and to develop religious harmony amongst the different sects of Islam. he passed away in 1999. today he is not only remembered for his contribution in showbiz but he is also remembered as a religious scholar.
so please dont judge me on the basis of my confusion, I am a scorpio and by nature I am inquisitive and unlike my family I dont believe in blind faith now.
regards.Ok bro, I'm really sorry, I just started the other thread man, please read it
thanks
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
idolfree1 wrote
I find it interesting that when "islam" is attacked in the world, everyone can see how the word is associated with Peace, but then go right back to "submission".I could not understand the above bro, sorry, can you elanorate please?
Never mind it.
idolfree1 wrote
Why do we greet PEACE be upon you instead of "submission" be upon you?bro what is greeting has to do with the name of a religion?, have we ever seen the christians greet each other by saying this "Christ"?
I am not talking about religion, I am talking about the psychology of behavior. The God has given us this greeting because it has PURPOSE, not because it is a fancy greeting. We use this greeting because PEACE is the goal, which is why the greeting in the garden is also PEACE. The state of Peace is the goal since the beginning. The Kemau(egyptians) used the word Hetep, jews-shalom, Jesus taught "Peace be with you", etc etc.
Further, we are not discussing the "name" of a religion, we are discussing PURPOSE, "islam" is a description, not a name.
bro the name of the religion has nothing to do with peace greating, being peacful is just part of the religion, that's all
You are welcome to your thoughts, there is no compulsion.
idolfree1 wrote
Fighting the aggressors is "keeping the Peace", there is no contradiction in this.really fighting will keep the peace?
i have never seen this in the whole history of mankind, can you please give me a few real examples not metaphors
Just go to your local police station and ask them to provide that, I am sure they will have plenty of real examples where they had to subdue someone who has transgressed the LAW. Remember, we are talking about defense, not aggression.
idolfree1 wrote
The submission falls under "sujood" which means "hear and obey".sorry sujood means to prostrate to Allah and has nothing to do with submission to Allah, but we need to prove the submission with actions like sujood, fasting, zakat, Salat (sujood is part of the salat anyway)
You are welcome to your understanding, but I respectfully disagree based on how the words are used over years of studying this topic objectively.
idolfree1 wrote
I agree they compliment each other, but certainly it is PEACEwe are after, the greeting in the Garden is PEACE!yep the peace of mind we are after and that can only be achived by Submitting menatlly to Allah
Yes, once we "hear and obey", then Peace follows. I agree wink
mate do you consider Allah is a real God or a metaphoric god?
I do not consider the God to be an object , out there somwhere, but instead the indwelling intelligence within all things.
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Peace be upon you Komla,
My salaam,i understand the whole concept,of muslim christians,muslim jews.But muslim atheist??????isn
t an atheist someone who dont believe in God at all??????I think that it is many times that 'atheists" are people who dont believe in som "God in the sky" , or objective being out there. But they do believe in some force higher than them. This is essentially the truth. BUt again, the word "muslim" deals with being peaceful. If an athiest is peaceful, then they are described as "muslim". However, there is a difference between being peaceful, or at peace and being one who trusts(mumin).
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Hi
I think that it is many times that 'atheists" are people who dont believe in som "God in the sky" , or objective being out there. But they do believe in some force higher than them. This is essentially the truth. BUt again, the word "muslim" deals with being peaceful. If an athiest is peaceful, then they are described as "muslim". However, there is a difference between being peaceful, or at peace and being one who trusts(mumin).Muslim is one who believes in one God and lives a righteous life.
An aethist doesnt believe in God nor a higher force.
But an aethist can be a good, righteous human being, even without belief in God.Peace!
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Peace be upon you PM,
An aethist doesnt believe in God nor a higher force.
Technically yes, but some call themselves that because they dont believe in the "god in the sky" theory and dont really have a title to call themselves. If they manifest peace, they are "muslim", because thats all the word means.
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Peace be upon you Jaxal,
Are they peaceful or not peaceful?
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Atheist dont believe in God. Full stop. I have known many athests. They ridicule the whole notion of a higher power.
I agree. They dont believe in any higher power coz they dont see sense in it.
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Peace be upon you,
But the question is not belief in a higher power, its being peaceful vs not peaceful. Please correct me if I am missing something.
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HI Idolfree1,
But the question is not belief in a higher power, its being peaceful vs not peaceful. Please correct me if I am missing something.
r u saying a muslim is also one, who doesnt believe in God?
I understand and fully believe aethists(who do not believe in God) can be righteous human beings as well and would be rewarded for the same.
Peace!
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Peace be upon you,
Look at verses 4914-15
The "aAArabu" said "We believed." Say "You did not believe, and but say 'We are peaceful' and the faith/belief did not (E) enter in your hearts . And if you obey The God and His messenger He does not reduce/diminish you a thing from your deeds , that truly The God (is) forgiving, merciful. Truly/indeed the believers(almu/minoona) (are) those who believed with (in) God and His messenger, then they did not doubt/be suspicious, and they struggled/did their utmost with their properties/possessions and themselves in God's way/path , those, they are the truthful.
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Sorry Idolfree you traanslation is wrong bro
Quloo Aslamna , clear as light means "Say We Submit to Allah"
no question about it mate 500%
peace
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ok D
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Peace be upon you Jaxal,
There was a time when i hated God. Yet, i found peace at times. Having peace and beleiving in God is 2 different things. Night and day stuff.
I have not compared being peaceful with believing in God. Thats why I said that "muslim" is anyone who is peaceful/promotes peace. Believeing in the God is not "believeing in some object in the skies", it is recognizing the LAW of the universe, especially the Unifying force of the world. You dont have to connect it with some old man with a grey beard.
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SaLaM idolfree
Thats why I said that "muslim" is anyone who is peaceful/promotes peace.
And here i thought a muslim is someone who submits to Allah. Becoz if what you say is true, then an atheist is laughs at the notion of a higher being, is also a muslim if he is peaceful and promotes peace.
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Peace be upon you Jaxal,
And here i thought a muslim is someone who submits to Allah. Becoz if what you say is true, then an atheist is laughs at the notion of a higher being, is also a muslim if he is peaceful and promotes peace.
I can be convinced otherwise if you show me a verse proving it. I am never above correction, but sarcasm will never be convincing D
We debate(hajja) to verify if we are on the correct path, not to get angry.