To "Ahmad Bahgat"
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Ahmed if you are looking at Code 19 than you should also read Dummy Guide for Code 19 on Submitter Code 19 by Ayman. Very interesting and brilliant discussion by Ayman.
thanks KGB, I actually printed about 5 weeks back and read it all
I have a question for you bro, this is totally outside the 19 issue, why do you think sura no 9 does not have "In the name of Allah" at the start?
peace man
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Salam PBM
Do you see, once again, how you contradict yourself? One cannot be Al-Quran only and alone and make ritual prayers, because the format for doing the ritual prayer is not in Al-Quran, thus, you are following the guidance of something else in this matter . Following something else for one's guidance along with Al-Quran, is to associate a partner in guidance with Allah and that is, per ayat 733, haram to do, hence, it is...shirk
Khi- Salam. This is absolute nonsense. If this were the case then RK too would have been an idol worshipper and died as one which is balony because of the crystal clear proofs he brought from GOD. As-salat is interpreted differently by different people, i know, but i believe what GOD meant are the ritual prayers coming down to us from Abraham as that is momentarily the simplest understanding. All other explanations are very far reaching and inconsistent as in the case of Aidid Safar. The Quran doesnt need to give a format for each and everything. Where does it say that this is required? It is enough if the Quran NAMES A PRACTICE(S) WHICH IS/ARE KNOWN BY THE SOCIETY. The Quran also doesnt give the format of learning Arabic. Meanings of words MUST BE DERIVED FROM SOCIETY and as-salat is commonly and most probably understood as the 24434 format i.e. five times daily Contact Prayer and it is by no means shirk to perform them. GOD Bless!
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ahmed,
from this day forth, there wil be no more discussion between you and i.
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ahmed,
from this day forth, there wil be no more discussion between you and i.
Thank you, I really appreciate it
All the best
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SaLaM idmkhizar and Ahmed
Contact Prayer and it is by no means shirk to perform them
When i first came across RK's website, i knew straight away in my heart that it was right. This was long after i was being told that my then sunni ways were wrong. In my rage and anger, i abandonded everything sunni (well not everything but most). I am now beginning to see that its not what i do physically that matters. But what i do mentally that matters. I agree with you. The ritual way of prayer is no shirk as long as the person who does it has one goal in mind and that is submitting to Allah. It has been years since i have prayed that way. But i know this, the peace and feeling i got when i was sujood, is something i have not experianced since i stopped praying the traditional way. And i know others feel that way too.
Thank you, I really appreciate it
Anyone who shuts him , he stops talking to them. ITs like a never ending cycle loooollll lol
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Salaamun alaikum idmkhizar,
Khi- Salam. This is absolute nonsense. If this were the case then RK too would have been an idol worshipper and died as one which is balony because of the crystal clear proofs he brought from GOD.
Do you mean the 19 miracle or his miraculous journey where he met Ibrahim? . For 19 to be a miracle, Allah needs to clearly state it.
As-salat is interpreted differently by different people, i know, but i believe what GOD meant are the ritual prayers coming down to us from Abraham as that is momentarily the simplest understanding.
It's the most comforting understanding for sunnis on thier way to being quranic, thats for sure. I can say this because i was one of them. However, 'the simplest understanding' isn't what its all about. Its all about getting an authentic or correct understanding. The only way to do that would be to look at al-furqaan itself.
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Salam mquran,
Do you mean the 19 miracle or his miraculous journey where he met Ibrahim? . For 19 to be a miracle, Allah needs to clearly state it.
Khi- No this is not correct. GOD wanted to keep it secret until the 1974. If He stated it clearly then people before could have found it but OD planned to reveal it in a specific time. Btw it's not the no. 19 which is miraculous on ts own. Its the pattern which is established upon this number which constitutes the miracle.
It's the most comforting understanding for sunnis on thier way to being quranic, thats for sure. I can say this because i was one of them. However, 'the simplest understanding' isn't what its all about. Its all about getting an authentic or correct understanding. The only way to do that would be to look at al-furqaan itself.
Khi- Again it is usually the simplest understanding which is correct and auathnetic(occam's razor) and not far reaching interpretations. submission.org also deduced their stance from the Quran and have refited those who claim otherwise. See
http//www.submission.org/islam/milat_abraham.html
GOD Bless! -
SaLaM idmkhizar and Ahmed
Contact Prayer and it is by no means shirk to perform them
When i first came across RK's website, i knew straight away in my heart that it was right. This was long after i was being told that my then sunni ways were wrong. In my rage and anger, i abandonded everything sunni (well not everything but most). I am now beginning to see that its not what i do physically that matters. But what i do mentally that matters. I agree with you. The ritual way of prayer is no shirk as long as the person who does it has one goal in mind and that is submitting to Allah. It has been years since i have prayed that way. But i know this, the peace and feeling i got when i was sujood, is something i have not experianced since i stopped praying the traditional way. And i know others feel that way too.
Salam all
since it is written in the Quran that we are to bow and prostrate and to pray to God our Creator I think that it is this way we should pray. Actually I think that the outer form, the bowing and prostrating is given to us and is fixed, while the inner form, what we are saying or reciting is up to your decision. Myself I prefer the old traditional way, but without the mentioning of Mohamed and Ibrahim.
I believe why God always reminds us to pray is to stay in contact with our Creator. Cause He knows that feeling the contact to God gives us a strong backbone and strength and feels good.
And as I said in earlier post - I think this way is the most appropriate way to pay homage God.
Just my personal way of view.
Humbly
warda -
Salaamun alaikum,
Khi- No this is not correct. GOD wanted to keep it secret until the 1974. If He stated it clearly then people before could have found it but OD planned to reveal it in a specific time. Btw it's not the no. 19 which is miraculous on ts own. Its the pattern which is established upon this number which constitutes the miracle.
Keep it secret ? Is this a characteristic of al-islaam, brother? God keeping things secret until a certain year.
41/43 and 46/9 tells us that nothing new was given to messengers from before. So how is it possible that something is kept secret until 1974.
Khi- Again it is usually the simplest understanding which is correct and auathnetic(occam's razor) and not far reaching interpretations. submission.org also deduced their stance from the Quran and have refited those who claim otherwise. See
http//www.submission.org/islam/milat_abraham.htmlOur criteria is al-quraan, not william of occam.
From the article above
You missed the meaning of the word "Milat". If what you claim was true, then following Noah the Monotheist would be perfect, but Noah had no rituals. Rituals appeared only after Noah and according to QURAN ALONE, Ibrahim was the First one to get them.
So the religion got CHANGED at some point? Look at 41/43 and 46/9 above. Nothing new was ever added to al-islaam. Al-kitaab was always the same.
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Keep it secret ? Is this a characteristic of al-islaam, brother? God keeping things secret until a certain year.
41/43 and 46/9 tells us that nothing new was given to messengers from before. So how is it possible that something is kept secret until 1974.
Khi- Salam. GOD gave a newer miracle to Moses than to those before, likewise with Jesus. Wer NOT talking about the Message here which was one and the same. Wer taslking abt the signs. GOD Bless!