'Arabic' or Faultless/Pure/Eloquent/Clear Minded?
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Peace
you all know when you talk to others in english and they don't bloody understand lol
what you tell them?
"I'm talking in clear English"
we do the same in arabic countries , oops i don't mean faultless countries, I know most arabic countries are faulty, possibly All lol
so I reckon that is what Allah was telling the pagan arabs who were ignornat and arrogant to Mohammad strongest argument "The Arabic Quran"
"I'm talking in clear Arabic"
just a thought
peace to all
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Hi AhmedBahgat
Peace
you all know when you talk to others in english and they don't bloody understand lol
what you tell them?
"I'm talking in clear English"
we do the same in arabic countries , oops i don't mean faultless countries, I know most arabic countries are faulty, possibly All lol
so I reckon that is what Allah was telling the pagan arabs who were ignornat and arrogant to Mohammad strongest argument "The Arabic Quran"
"I'm talking in clear Arabic"
just a thought
peace to all
U r quite good at this. rotfl Loud and clear!
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Hello peacfulmuslim
mate, I honestly believe that the above is one of reasons Allah said it many times in the Arabic Quran, while everyone can see clearly that it is an Arabic book
peace mate
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Well, If God was going to send His message through an arab messenger to the people of Arabia, God wouldnt convey it in Chinese(say, Chinese was the perfect language), Would He?
Once again, you have failed to understand what Im trying to get at. I will repeat one more time and then lets call it a day, ok?
You said God chose an Arab messenger and therefore sent his message is in Arabic.
Im asking How do you know God didn't choose the Arabic language AND THEN chose an Arab messenger?
I don't know how God went about choosing these things. I don't deal with suppositions, I deal with existential facts.
The language had to be one that the people understood. The form of the language would also have to be one that people understood. Else, the message would not get conveyed clearly. So, its not the Arabic thats faultless, pure. Its Allahs message which is faultless and clear and conveyed in a manner/ way the people of that time and place could understand clearly.
Its not just the language, mind you. There's a potentially mental resistance to the message. Look at the democracy issue. Although its clearly not in the book, no matter what language its in, you wont accept it. So while people understood the language, they may have had a mental resistance towards the contents.
I believe Allahs message divine too. And to understand, why Allah didnt choose any other language to convey a message to people of Arabia, doesnt require any evidence but just some use of common sense. The people of that place and time could have only understood Arabic. They would not have understood Chinese or French or Italian Quran
Once again, how do you know God chose an Arab messenger first? How do you know he didn't choose Arabic AND THEN , BECAUSE OF THIS, sent to an arab messenger? I don't know either way.
Again, common sense. U dont have to meet those people to understand something this simple.
Its good that you can hide behind 'common sense' and pretend to know the unseen. I'd rather not assume anything because God tells me not to.
What is a faulty medium?
A medium of communication is faulty when the message can not be adequately and exactly conveyed. So, Arabic would be a faulty medium to use, to communicate with a deaf person. Sign language would be the correct medium.
Similarly, to convey a message such as Quran in French to arab people would make it a faulty medium. Thats why Arabic was used insteadTherein lies our difference. You think the Quran can be summed up by saying 'God is one' and logic would carry the rest. I don't believe this. I believe the Quran's as Allah says 'hikmatu baligha' so unless the language is faultless, it cannot deliver this message.
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Hi mquran,
God has used the arabic language in the best way possible to convey His clear message in Quran, coz it was given to the people of Arabia and had to be understood by them(including the syntax, morphology, diction)
Assumption. How do you know He didn't choose Arabic and then sent it to an Arab messenger? Evidence please.
Imagine God is looking down on us from the sky. He thinks to himself 'ah, we should send a new message now' and sees the Arabic language and thinks 'aha, thats a good language to use and show how perfect it can be'. How do u know this wasn't the case?
Once again, you have failed to understand what Im trying to get at. I will repeat one more time and then lets call it a day, ok?Let me repeat what u said. ??God chose the Arabic language first (He thinks to himself 'ah, we should send a new message now' and sees the Arabic language and thinks 'aha, thats a good language to use and show how perfect it can be'.) and then chose an arab messenger??
So, according to u the language was chosen first and then the people who would understand the language(arab people), and among them a messenger(arab messenger). The language being the first preference and the people getting the message and messenger , being the 2 nd decssion? Is this what u r saying?
144 We sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
622 It is He Who has sent amongst the Unlettered an apostle from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to sanctify them, and to instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error
4144 Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes) They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
The language had to be one that the people understood. The form of the language would also have to be one that people understood. Else, the message would not get conveyed clearly. So, its not the ?Arabic? that?s faultless, pure. Its Allah?s message which is faultless and clear and conveyed in a manner/ way the people of that time and place could understand clearly.
Its not just the language, mind you. There's a potentially mental resistance to the message. Look at the democracy issue. Although its clearly not in the book, no matter what language its in, you wont accept it. So while people understood the language, they may have had a mental resistance towards the contents.
I am talking of the language here. The language should be one that?s understandable.
And as for mental resistance, certain people of those days had mental resistance(who denied the message as false). They understood it but did not believe it. but that?s not the point here.
And as for the democracy issue, am not gonna discuss it with u here. U had totally abused the thread.
I guess the difference in our views on that thread, lie coz of the fact, that to u ??all that?s mentioned in Quran is true, good and wise. Nothing else is. Any( good, righteous, wise, sensible, correct) thing that?s not specifically mentioned in Quran is false, wrong and sinful.??
To me ?? all that?s mentioned in Quran is true, good and wise. But wisdom, knowledge and truth doesn?t end there. Truth and signs of Allah are there everywhere around me, and not just in Quran. And Allah is the source of all wisdom, knowledge and truth in and out of Quran.?? Anyway, we are already discussing this in another thread. So, lets not go there.Again, common sense. U dont have to meet those people to understand something this simple.
Its good that you can hide behind 'common sense' and pretend to know the unseen. I'd rather not assume anything because God tells me not to.
I don?t hide behind ?common sense?, Its called using common sense. And that?s one of the reasons why we are the most supreme creation of Allah.
What is a faulty medium?
A medium of communication is faulty when the message can not be adequately and exactly conveyed. So, Arabic would be a faulty medium to use, to communicate with a deaf person. Sign language would be the correct medium.
Similarly, to convey a message such as Quran in French to arab people would make it a faulty medium. That?s why Arabic was used insteadTherein lies our difference. You think the Quran can be summed up by saying 'God is one' and logic would carry the rest. I don't believe this. I believe the Quran's as Allah says 'hikmatu baligha' so unless the language is faultless, it cannot deliver this message.
I?d understand ?God is one? with or without Quran. It makes sense to me. It fits into all those questions that one has about creation and creator. So, Even if there was no Quran, I would have believed ??God is one??(btw, the idea was confirmed in previous scriptures as well). Quran is a good confirmation of the same. Quran is a confirmation of the truth that people failed to see. Quran is God?s message to people, spelling out truth.
And a faulty language is one thats not understandable. Any language can be faulty if used among people who do not understand the particular language.
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Are u playing with words here? Let me repeat what u said. God chose the Arabic language first (He thinks to himself 'ah, we should send a new message now' and sees the Arabic language and thinks 'aha, thats a good language to use and show how perfect it can be'.) and then chose an arab messenger
So, according to u the language was chosen first and then the people who would understand the language(arab people), and among them a messenger(arab messenger). The language being the first preference and the people getting the message and messenger , being the 2 nd decssion? Is this what u r saying?
Just forget it please. Peace.
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Hi Mquran,
Peace to u too! -
Peace be upon you all,
I'm glad you guys chose peace rather than go back and forth Good example.
For the record, The God does not write books, inspired men write books. Thsi inspired human was Arab and wrote in Arabic.