Punishment for the unchaste:lashes,confinement or 4giveness?

unknownuser

please note that verse 416 is talking about a man and a woman, NOT and I stress NOT 2 men

salam.
415 is about women(lesbians) and 416 about men(gays). they commit lewdness , what the people of Lut used to commit .

my 2 cents .

thanks a lot for correcting me I will check it out

peace

unknownuser

Ok mate I accept your logic for 416 but not for 415

we can see that 416 talks about a male couples, but 415 talks about a group of women unless you mean more that 2 women involved in an orgi lol

Peace bro

Fahad1

Ok mate I accept your logic for 416 but not for 415

we can see that 416 talks about a male couples, but 415 talks about a group of women unless you mean more that 2 women involved in an orgi lol

i dont get it . whats wrong with more than two ?

unknownuser

Ok mate I accept your logic for 416 but not for 415

we can see that 416 talks about a male couples, but 415 talks about a group of women unless you mean more that 2 women involved in an orgi lol

i dont get it . whats wrong with more than two ?

I don't know, I don't think women were involved in orgies back then, i reckon women started to become lesbians after the many males converting to the queers religion, or what do you think?

peace

Fahad1

I don't know, I don't think women were involved in orgies back then, i reckon women started to become lesbians after the many males converting to the queers religion, or what do you think?

well , i dont think it is so unlikely . if men can be involved with women and men , then women can also be involved in lewdness with both men and women . and by the way , men were commiting lewdness among themselves since the time of Lut . that would be way back in time .
and if 415 says "women" then ofcourse women would be involved in lewdness back then . koran is the criterion . thats what i think .

as 415 says if women(not men) commit lewdness punish them ,
and 416 says if men(not women) commit lewdness , punish them too .

salam.

unknownuser

Ok do you think "Fahesha" covers homsexuality?

i really don't know

peace

Fahad1

Ok do you think "Fahesha" covers homsexuality?

i really don't know

peace

yes . 415 tells us that it does cover homosexuality .
the people of Lut were homosexuals , they also commited fahesha.

peace .

wildguest1956

An interesting ressource
http//www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning5.htm#Chapter5

Extract

In summary 242 and 415-16 should be read together and not as one abrogating the other. The first passage, 24;2, gives the punishment for zina` understood as natural sex between a man and a woman not married to each other a maximum of 100 lashes. The second passage, 415-16, prescribes the punishment for other forms of fahishah including homosexuality house confinement in case of women and any type of effective punishment for men. This punishment is aimed at reform of the culprit and should cease as soon as clear signs of reform are visible.

This is that simple, clear teaching given by God that some Muslims in earlier times changed by turning to sources other than his word, importing death penalty for every type of fahishah, and giving their views the authority of the Prophet by fabricating ahadith. And unfortunately many Muslims in later generations followed them in their errors. May the Most Gracious One bring us all closer to his word and the authentic sunnah of his Messenger and have the courage to reject the errors or lies of some earlier Muslims.

Jaxal

SaLaM agent

I would go for the lashes. But that is just my personal opinion. If i found out my wife is cheating on me.... she has it comming.. and she has it comming bad. Likewise, i expect the same for myself. If i cheat on my wife, i do not expect an OUNCE of mercy from her.

jonny_k

SaLaM agent

I would go for the lashes. But that is just my personal opinion. If i found out my wife is cheating on me.... she has it comming.. and she has it comming bad. Likewise, i expect the same for myself. If i cheat on my wife, i do not expect an OUNCE of mercy from her.

Khi- Salam. Absolutely correct but remeber even if your wife has mercy on you that would in no way take you away from the punishment since having pre marital sex is a crime against the children which may be born out of wedlock and in the long run a crime aginst humanity, not merely aginst your wife. People make a moral issue out of this and forget the terribe after effects. GOD Bless!

Jaxal

SaLaM idmkhizar

Im glad you understood me )

agentxxx

peace jaxal,
you wrote

I would go for the lashes. But that is just my personal opinion. If i found out my wife is cheating on me.... she has it comming.. and she has it comming bad. Likewise, i expect the same for myself. If i cheat on my wife, i do not expect an OUNCE of mercy from her.

brother you are great lol thats equality and justice.
regards.