The process of creation [heavens and earth]?
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Peace be upon you all,
I just wanted to agree with the statement made that the ancient people knew that the earth revolved around teh sun. The problem is that white supremecy has ruled and taught only what they were aware of, and I am sure that does not represent all of them as well, onlythose who were in charge.
Whatever the case, there is much evidence that the ancients of Kemet, the oldest recorded civilization, had knowledge of this. They created structures that allowed the sun to shine through openings of buildings to mark certain periods of the year, etc.
Regarding Abraham and the stars, moon, and sun...this is a story to help us understand that we must be scientific in our approach, it is not a literal story just like the rest, so we cannot use an unverified story to judge if people knew about he earth going around the sun.
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peace idolfree1,
you wroteI just wanted to agree with the statement made that the ancient people knew that the earth revolved around teh sun. The problem is that white supremecy has ruled and taught only what they were aware of, and I am sure that does not represent all of them as well, onlythose who were in charge.
you have the right to believe, what ever you believe inwink
we love to blame others for our own flaws, examplethe satan, mushriqs, jew and christians, and now its white supremacy lolWhatever the case, there is much evidence that the ancients of Kemet, the oldest recorded civilization, had knowledge of this.
and who has told us about this ancient civilization? the white supremecy.
They created structures that allowed the sun to shine through openings of buildings to mark certain periods of the year, etc.
the mugals built taj mahal but still they knew nothing about the solar system. even if the kemet were familiar with this motion, it does not prove every ancient civilisation had such knowledge.
Regarding Abraham and the stars, moon, and sun...this is a story to help us understand that we must be scientific in our approach, it is not a literal story just like the rest, so we cannot use an unverified story to judge if people knew about he earth going around the sun.
story??? where does it say its a story? but what ever it is, it helps us to understand that Abraham found his way to God by the method of "trail and error" By analyzing his errors and then correcting them.
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Salaams Br.
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54 50?And our commandment is but one (commandment), as the twinkling of an eye.Should be
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And not our command is but one glance of eye.You are from Pakistan you should know the phrase
Aik Ashara aankh ka hi kaafi tha.? what do you think?
Make sense? Br.
And ?Be and it is? ?I haven?t checked but most likely along the same lines.
But you?re other words the earth and the heavens is a big thing for people to explain ? but I think these words are mistranslated that is the reason for the discrepancy/contradiction-i would say.
God Bless.
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salam mz357,
you wrote54 50?And our commandment is but one (commandment), as the twinkling of an eye.
Should be
5450
And not our command is but one glance of eye.You are from Pakistan you should know the phrase
Aik Ashara aankh ka hi kaafi tha.? what do you think?
Make sense? Br.
app nay theek kha hai janab,magar yehi to confusion hai?
agar aankh ka aik ashara kaafi hai toa phir chay din ka kya chakar hai?
phir 419 main aath din bantay hai?
and you must be knowing brother that if i ask any one here about all this,I WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE lolAnd ?Be and it is? ?I haven?t checked but most likely along the same lines.
But you?re other words the earth and the heavens is a big thing for people to explain ? but I think these words are mistranslated that is the reason for the discrepancy/contradiction-i would say.
brother there are contraditions/discrepancies through out the Quran, when you read it in your own language only then you are able to see them and that makes a person like me a bit skeptical and confused.
now we all know that no translation of Quran can be printed without going through a process of scrutiny, there are hundreds of scholar and Quran academys who approve the translation and check all the error, so it is difficult to understand why there is difference in translation or how a certain verse can be mistranslated and yet approved by all the other?
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brother there are contraditions/discrepancies through out the Quran, when you read it in your own language only then you are able to see them and that makes a person like me a bit skeptical and confused.
Hello bro
would you like to debate the contradictions one at a time with me?
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peace Ahmed,all
please read my original post again and explain the contradictions.
thanks.mate you listed 7 contradictions in the other thread and that is what I will start respond to, please don't confuse me
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Peace All,
Interesting thread )
Since recently re-aligning my understanding of the essence of life, the big picture has changed and things have become less confusing. To nip any potential backlash in the bud, please understand this is my opinion only, ie, what makes sense to me, but maybe it might help someone else out...
The universe, as we know it, is an infinitely massive nothing. It's mostly space and nano-minutely, shapeless, electrically charged or non-charged, particles that we cannot possibly see, for as soon as we look, they disappear.
That being said, there is something that holds it all together - an energy that can neither be described nor understood. We are a part of that energy for reasons that remain unknown - we being the consciousness that is witness to life in all it's forms, including of course the human experience.
My understanding is that this thing we call life, ie, the universe in all it's facets, is the constant remanifestation of it's source. It is like a plasma of energy that is in a state of flux. The "Big-Bang", though thought of as the starting point, is more likely just the starting point of this particular phase of life. Who knows how many Big-Bangs took place before the presently referred model.
So when the Qur'an mentions "He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six days", it is, as mentioned by Ahmed, the description of a process that we can understand in our limited realm of understanding, ie, "it took me 6 days to refinish my bathroom". The guidance is in understanding that there is one source of this life, and this source has designed this life to be a process, as a macrocosm and a microcosm. Everything is a process, from the life of the sun, to global warming, to the formation and decay of mountains, to building a house, to earning a Phd, to raising a child, to growing basil in your garden. Nothing escapes process.
Therein lies the guidance in which there lies an infintie wealth of more guidance.
Peace,
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Peace be upon you Agentxxx
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I just wanted to agree with the statement made that the ancient people knew that the earth revolved around teh sun. The problem is that white supremecy has ruled and taught only what they were aware of, and I am sure that does not represent all of them as well, onlythose who were in charge.you have the right to believe, what ever you believe inwink
we love to blame others for our own flaws, examplethe satan, mushriqs, jew and christians, and now its white supremacyWhat flaw are you refering to? Should I blame myself for the Pope signing off on the document to allow slavery on the basis that "black" people have no souls? Or the teachin that Christopher Columbus discovered America? Or that teh ancient Egyptians were white, when teh artifcats and DNA testing of mummies clearly shows the opposite? What is the intention of these types of LIES? Was it something I did?
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Whatever the case, there is much evidence that the ancients of Kemet, the oldest recorded civilization, had knowledge of this.and who has told us about this ancient civilization? the white supremecy.
No, most white egyptologists still potray egypt as a polytheistic group who enslaved jews to build a pyramid. The information I am relaying comes mostly from Africans like Cheik Anta Diop and Ra Un Nefer Amen 1. Let it be clear that the race doesnt matter, but when yuo see people vying to LIE about the truth, the there is something up. Especially when the replacement is to worship a dead jewish man(Jesus). That was the name of the first slave ship by the way, the Good ship Jesus.
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They created structures that allowed the sun to shine through openings of buildings to mark certain periods of the year, etc.the mugals built taj mahal but still they knew nothing about the solar system. even if the kemet were familiar with this motion, it does not prove every ancient civilisation had such knowledge.
I didnt say every ancient civilization, I am talking about Kemet.
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Regarding Abraham and the stars, moon, and sun...this is a story to help us understand that we must be scientific in our approach, it is not a literal story just like the rest, so we cannot use an unverified story to judge if people knew about he earth going around the sun.story??? where does it say its a story? but what ever it is, it helps us to understand that Abraham found his way to God by the method of "trail and error" By analyzing his errors and then correcting them.
Yes, scientifically. Has the story reached thee?
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Peace idolfree1,
You wrote
What flaw are you refering to?The problem is that white supremecy has ruled and taught only what theythey were aware of
Brother I was referring to this statement, why did we allow them to rule us and teach us? This is a flaw of ours not theirs.
You wroteShould I blame myself for the Pope signing off on the document to allow slavery on the basis that "black" people have no souls? Or the teachin that Christopher Columbus discovered America? Or that teh ancient Egyptians were white, when teh artifcats and DNA testing of mummies clearly shows the opposite? What is the intention of these types of LIES? Was it something I did?
Brother I am not advocating the white race; there are good people and bad people in every race. I am aware of the atrocities they committed during the colonization, specially in the subcontinent, I am also aware of the developments that they did in the subcontinent, they were the ones who outlawed certain brutal traditions of this region, for example the tradition of SATI amongst the Hindus where the widow of the deceased was burned alive with the deceased. and May I ask who gave us the information about the DNA?
Id1 wrote
Yes, scientifically. Has the story reached thee?
Brother I am sorry I could not understand your point, kindly explain because I don?t see a word ?story? mentioned here?
2151-We bestowed aforetime on Abraham his rectitude of conduct and well were We acquainted with him.
2152-Behold! he said to his father and his people "What are these images to which ye are (so assiduously) devoted?"674-Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar "Takest thou idols for gods? for I see thee and thy people in manifest error."
675-So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth that he might (with understanding) have certitude.
676-When the night covered him over he saw a star he said "this is my Lord." But when it set he said "I love not those that set."
677-When he saw the moon rising in splendor He said "This is my Lord." but when the moon set he said "Unless my Lord guide me I shall surely be among those who go astray."
678-When he saw the sun rising in splendor he said "This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all)." But when the sun set he said "O my people! I am (now) free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.
679-"For me I have set my face firmly and truly toward Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah."
680-His people disputed with him. He said "(come) ye to dispute with me about Allah when He (Himself) hath guided me? I fear not (the beings) ye associate with Allah unless my Lord willeth (nothing can happen). My Lord comprehendeth in His knowledge all things will ye not (yourselves) be admonished?
681-"How should I fear (the beings) ye associate with Allah when ye fear not to give partners to Allah without any warrant having been given to you? Which of (us) two parties hath more right to security? (tell me) if ye know.
682-"It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with wrong that are (truly) in security for they are on (right) guidance."
683- That was the reasoning about Us which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people We raise whom We will degree after degree for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
684-We gave him Isaac and Jacob all (three) We guided and before him We guided Noah and before him We guided Noah and among his progeny David Solomon Job Joseph Moses and Aaron thus do We reward those who do good
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peace tay,
you wroteMy understanding is that this thing we call life, ie, the universe in all it's facets, is the constant remanifestation of it's source. It is like a plasma of energy that is in a state of flux. The "Big-Bang", though thought of as the starting point, is more likely just the starting point of this particular phase of life. Who knows how many Big-Bangs took place before the presently referred model.
So when the Qur'an mentions "He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six days", it is, as mentioned by Ahmed, the description of a process that we can understand in our limited realm of understanding, ie, "it took me 6 days to refinish my bathroom". The guidance is in understanding that there is one source of this life, and this source has designed this life to be a process, as a macrocosm and a microcosm. Everything is a process, from the life of the sun, to global warming, to the formation and decay of mountains, to building a house, to earning a Phd, to raising a child, to growing basil in your garden. Nothing escapes process.
Therein lies the guidance in which there lies an infintie wealth of more guidance.
i agree with all that you say, i also agree that days can be periods and 6 days can be six periods. what i want to know is why in 419/4110/4111/4112 the total number of days add up to 8 instead of 6.
what shoul i believe was created first according to Quran,is it the heaven 7927, or earth 229.
were heaven and earth one piece 2130, or smoke 4111.
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Peace be upon you Agentxxx,
Peace idolfree1,
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What flaw are you refering to?
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The problem is that white supremecy has ruled and taught only what theythey were aware ofBrother I was referring to this statement, why did we allow them to rule us and teach us? This is a flaw of ours not theirs.
Agreed.
You wrote
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Should I blame myself for the Pope signing off on the document to allow slavery on the basis that "black" people have no souls? Or the teachin that Christopher Columbus discovered America? Or that teh ancient Egyptians were white, when teh artifcats and DNA testing of mummies clearly shows the opposite? What is the intention of these types of LIES? Was it something I did?Brother I am not advocating the white race; there are good people and bad people in every race.
Agreed.
I am aware of the atrocities they committed during the colonization, specially in the subcontinent, I am also aware of the developments that they did in the subcontinent, they were the ones who outlawed certain brutal traditions of this region, for example the tradition of SATI amongst the Hindus where the widow of the deceased was burned alive with the deceased.
Agreed.
and May I ask who gave us the information about the DNA?
Sorry, not DNA, but melaninn dosage test. It was done by Cheikh Anta Diop.
http//www.stewartsynopsis.com/black_egyptians_are_the_original.htm
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Salaam
For some of Us the Quran contains No miracles, Scientific or whatever.
This thought is due to confusion we will try to clear it up as we go ahead, but let us start with Agent triple X.But he needed six days for creation?
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117-He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was over the Waters that He might try you which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death" the Unbelievers would be sure to say "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!"or 8 days according to these verses?
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419?Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters) Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
4110?He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
4111?Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said We come, obedient.
4112?Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and we decked the lower heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.in Might Full of knowledge.According to verse 91011- he created the earth, placed firm hills rising above it, blessed it and measured therein its provisions and then he turned to heavens which was smoke?
What I understand is that when God created earth there was nothing else except God and smoke?The confusion arises only if you wrongly translate summa as ?then? only then would this verse contradict the Big-bang theory and other verses of the Quran. Therefore the correct translation of the word summa is ?moreover? or ?simultaneously?. Ahmad Bhagat or any other Arabic native what do you say??? about this translation.
?It is who has created for you all things on the earth (summa)simultaneously (while) making the heaven into seven firmaments?.This could be expalined by a Scholar's following remarks
If a builder says that he will construct a 10-storey building and surrounding compound wall in six months and after completion of his project he gives a more detailed account saying that the basement of the building was built in two months and the 10 storeys took four months and simultaneously, while the basement and the building was being constructed, he also constructed the surrounding of the building along with the compound wall which took two months. Therefore both his first and second descriptions are not contradicting but the second statement gives a more detailed account for the construction.
Agent wrote
Heaven and earth were one piece
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2130?Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?Yes they were one.
This is a Proven fact according to the "Big bang theory".
Every living thing from water is Yet another proven scientific fact.but heaven was smoke
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4111?Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said We come, obedient.Yes it was.
The word actualy used is "Dakhan" Ahmed Bhagat may better understand it. This is another sceintific proven fact that earth was covered with gaseous material like smoke.These were discussed in detail if you like to read my debate at www.infidelguy.com with some atheists.
Now when Quran says that 'life started from water" this is a scientific fact for us, but one who has created it is normality. Similarly who is inventor of Camera it is a simple laws working for him but for people may be like me it is a miracle "how by just one click I am saved forever in the eyes of camera".
There are numerous prophesies and Scientific facts mentioned in Quran, for some it may be Miracles but actually they are Just facts.He first created earth?
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229?He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is Knower of all thingsNo He first created heaven?
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7927?Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built?
7928?He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
7929?And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.
7930?And after that He spread the earth,432?By the Book that makes things clear
It makes things clear no doubt, but you need a rational way of thinking.
The rest was explained above.2117?The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only Be! and it is.
This verse is telling us about the authority of Allah and not the time period at all.
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I agree with Raj-ah the arbic words "Thumma" has two meaning "Then" and "Moreover"
the use of the word is based on the context and other words used along with "Thumma", the Quran has given us numerous examples of all possible use of the word "Thumma", this is a subject that I started writing about already and when finsihed I will add it to this thread
peace be with all
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peace raj-ah,
brother thank you for your comments.
you wroteThe confusion arises only if you wrongly translate summa as ?then? only then would this verse contradict the Big-bang theory and other verses of the Quran. Therefore the correct translation of the word summa is ?moreover? or ?simultaneously?. Ahmad Bhagat or any other Arabic native what do you say??? about this translation.
?It is who has created for you all things on the earth (summa)simultaneously (while) making the heaven into seven firmaments?.This could be expalined by a Scholar's following remarks
If a builder says that he will construct a 10-storey building and surrounding compound wall in six months and after completion of his project he gives a more detailed account saying that the basement of the building was built in two months and the 10 storeys took four months and simultaneously, while the basement and the building was being constructed, he also constructed the surrounding of the building along with the compound wall which took two months. Therefore both his first and second descriptions are not contradicting but the second statement gives a more detailed account for the construction.
brother i did not translate the word, it was done by the scholars who translated Quran . A person like me who is not familiar with the arabic language has to depend upon the translation rather then the arabic content. it seems to me that most of the arabic words can be translated into many different meanings and hence most of the verse of Quran can be interpreted into various different ways, according to ones own liking or understanding, and because of this flexability they can also be interpreted to make them compatable with the scientific discoveries too.
what i want to know is why would all these scholars and academies translate it wrongly? and why their translations are aproved to be authentic by the relavent authorities? from where can i get a translation which is error free?
a builder has to depend on lot of other factors, like supply of material, labour force, approval from the relevant deptt etc. but the Almighty is omnipotent or is he also dependent on other factors?
also if a builder says he constructed a 20 storey building in 60 days, but in his detailed account the total number of days adds up to 66, what would you believe to be the thruth? may be it again has to do something with the translation i dont know?
would you kindly explain what is meant by the the seven firmaments?
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Hello all
instead of writing a long comment I will just show examples from the Quran one after another as I see them, here is my first one that clearly shows "Thumma" means within the context "MOREOVER" however all 3 translations got it wrong as "Then"
YUSUFALI The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him "Be". And he was.
PICKTHAL Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him Be! and he is.
SHAKIR Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
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-> How come Allah created Adam from dust THEN said the word BE?
it does not make sense unless Allah created Adam from dust MOREOVER said the word BE and he was.
Allah knows best
peace be with all
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Here is a very good example that will show us how the context control the Arabic word ?Thumma?, the verses are 1968-70, please note I posted three common translations
68- YUSUFALI ?So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Evil Ones (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;?
68- PICKTHAL ?And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.?
68- SHAKIR ?So by your Lord! We will most certainly gather them together and the Shaitans, then shall We certainly cause them to be present round hell on their knees.?
69- YUSUFALI ?Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious.?
69- PICKTHAL Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to the Beneficent.?
69- SHAKIR ?Then We will most certainly draw forth from every sect of them him who is most exorbitantly rebellious against the Beneficent Allah?
70- YUSUFALI ?And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein.?
70- PICKTHAL ?And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.?
70- SHAKIR ?Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein.?
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The verses are talking about some of what will happen in the Judgment day
-> Verse 1968, is giving us a sequence as follow
- We will most certainly gather them together and the Shaitans
- We certainly cause them to be present round hell
Between these two incidents we have the word ?Thumma?, and we can clearly understand that the two incidents can not happen together rather one after the other, consequently ?Thumma? should be translated as ?Then? as all three translators agreed.
-> Verse 1969, gives us another incident that will happen after the first two incidents listed in verse 1968
- We will most certainly draw forth from every sect of them him who is most exorbitantly rebellious against the Beneficent Allah
And surely ?Thumma? at the start of sequence 3 must mean ?Then? as undersatood from the context, we can also see that all translators agreed.
-> Verse 1970, we will see another event listed after the word ?Thumma?, however the event CAN?T HAPPEN AFTER THE 3 EVENTS LISTED ABOVE IN VERSE 1968-69, let?s look at the event
- We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein
Event 4 in verse 1970 can not happen after the 3 events listed in verses 1968-69, we see that the verse started with the word ?Thumma? but all translators translated it as
70- YUSUFALI ?And certainly?
70- PICKTHAL ?And surely?
70- SHAKIR ?Again?
Which clearly means "Moreover"
Clear as light I guess.
I will show you next Inshaallah how the context can control the word ?Thumma? with additional words used in the sentence
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Hello
Sorry for the delay to add this final explanation of the word ?Thumma?, been flat out
Just to recap, ?Thumma? can mean ?Moreover? or ?Then?, the context of the sentence will be the only criteria to determine the meaning of ?Thumma? also other verses may confirm that meaning if found talking about the same thing
However, there is two Arabic words that can be added to the sentence and consequently it will render ?Thumma? to mean ONE thing only which is ?Then?.
Those two Arabic words are ?Min Ba?ad? , literally means ?After?, this must render ?Thumma? means ?Then? Only. The Quran has given us many examples, in fact Sura no 2 alone has plenty, here is a few examples, ?Thumma? will be highlighted in Red and ?Min Ba?ad? will be highlighted in blue, English translation is by SHAKIR
?And when We appointed a time of forty nights with Musa, then you took the calf (for a god) after him and you were unjust.?
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?Then We pardoned you after that so that you might give thanks.?
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?Then We raised you up after your death that you may give thanks.?
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?Then you turned back after that; so were it not for the grace of Allah and His mercy on you, you would certainly have been among the losers.?
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?Then your hearts hardened after that, so that they were like rocks, rather worse in hardness; and surely there are some rocks from which streams burst forth, and surely there are some of them which split asunder so water issues out of them, and surely there are some of them which fall down for fear of Allah, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.?
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-> From the above we can clearly see that the word ?Thumma? can be controlled with other words mostely ?Min Ba?d? if not all the times indeed, to make it means ?Then? only, ie. two events, one after another, the reason is simply ?Min Ba?ad? means ?After?
We will see how the verses regarding the earth creation fit within the above next inshaallah
Allah knows best
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salam agentxxx .
i will try to answer these .2117?The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only Be! and it is.
54 50?And Our commandment is but one (commandment), as the twinkling of an eye.
But he needed six days for creation?
"needed"? God doesnt NEED anything . He does as He will . it took HIM six days , because HE willed six days .
or 8 days according to these verses?
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419?Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters) Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.
4110?He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;
4111?Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said We come, obedient.
4112?Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and we decked the lower heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.in Might Full of knowledge.1st day -2nd day the creation of earth.
3rd - 6th day sustinance/provisions .
5th - 6th day creation of seven heavens .six days in all .
According to verse 91011- he created the earth, placed firm hills rising above it, blessed it and measured therein its provisions and then he turned to heavens which was smoke?
What I understand is that when God created earth there was nothing else except God and smoke?the heavens mentioned in the verse are , i believe , seven atmospheric layers, the seven heavens , (one above another, each having its duty , as other verses explain) .
so when God created earth , there were things other than God and smoke .Heaven and earth were one piece
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2130?Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?before the big bang , yes . the heavens and earth were a single unit . God parted them .
what i have read in some articles is that the gravity of the singularity point before the big bang was so strong that "astronomers know that no natural cause could have caused the explosion of energy given the gravity of the singularity. No known natural force could have overcome even a tenth of the gravity of the singularity at the time of the big bang. "
"...and We split them apart.", the Koran 2130 informs us .
He first created earth?
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229?He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is Knower of all thingsNo He first created heaven?
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7927?Are ye the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built?
7928?He raised the height thereof and ordered it;
7929?And He made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morn thereof.
7930?And after that He spread the earth,7930 says "spread" , not "created" , . so earth was created first . no contradiction .
432?By the Book that makes things clear roll
? ?indeed .
salam.