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The nature of inspiration - the "voice" of the God

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    @Mazhar

    Did you see my reply????.

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      @Mazhar

      Did you see my reply????.

      In which post and to what post?

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        Salam,

        In my opinion, the communication between God and prophets was always through angels. Nodya doesn't mean direct communication. We have found similar expression in Chapter 37 verse 104 when God called Prophet Ibrahim.

        We called to him, "O Abraham, (104)

        Also, there is a verse in Quran in Chapter 42 verse 11 that there is nothing like unto him which categorically rejected the idea that Moses heard God voice directly. The verse in Chapter 42 which describes the ways of God's communications are actually one thing. The revelation is actually from behind the veil and through messenger. We knew that the Quran is a word of God and God spoke to whole mankind through Prophet Muhammad. Therefore, the revelation came to us through messenger and behind the veil. Although there is no veil for God, same way like there is no Ghaib for God. Human mind require frame of reference therefore God used those terms to deliver his message. Same as like God's hand, God hear, see, listen etc.

        Salam.

        Were you referring to this reply to the author of the post?

        If it was the case then there was no need of mentioning separately the manner of Takleem for speaking.

        The irreducible semantic feature of Root / is to call from a distance and loudness of voice is explicit.

        For proper comprehension of a text the semantic components of a word must be checked. Those components are the irreducible semantic features.

        Form-III verbs have reciprocity. Both the caller and the called are listening each other.

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          @Mazhar,

          Lets move step by step so that we can not mix things together. Could you please answer following simple questions then i will try my best to explain 4164 which people quite often quote as an evidence.

          1. Do you think Prophet Ibrahim also listened God's voice directly like Moses?

          2. How do you take 4211?. This verse isn't categorically rejected the idea Moses heard God's voice?

          3. Do you believe that God has ears, hand, mouth etc like us?

          Just answer these question then i will try my best as i said before to explain 4164.

          Salam

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            @Mazhar,

            Lets move step by step so that we can not mix things together. Could you please answer following simple questions then i will try my best to explain 4164 which people quite often quote as an evidence.

            1. Do you think Prophet Ibrahim also listened God's voice directly like Moses?

            2. How do you take 4211?. This verse isn't categorically rejected the idea Moses heard God's voice?

            3. Do you believe that God has ears, hand, mouth etc like us?

            Just answer these question then i will try my best as i said before to explain 4164.

            Salam

            1. It is not what one thinks. We are talking about what is written in the Book. What is written in the Book is calling them loudly and obviously calling has a voice.

            2. http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/42.11d.gif has no relationship with the point under discussion.

            There is not at all a physical object matter and living for the purpose of describing Him.

            1. http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.01b.gif

            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.61a.gif

            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.75a.gif

            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.20b.gif

            Same words of human beings

            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/076.%20Al%20Insaan,%20Ad%20Dahar/76.02.gif
            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/076.%20Al%20Insaan,%20Ad%20Dahar/76.02b.gif

            1. Why to have imagery? Just believe the words, He listens and sees.
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