Ladies - do you wear hijab?
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I saw a tv show once, where a reporter was asking muslims coming from jumma what the last sentence from al-fathiha meant in their language. Not one was able to answer. the classic answer comes from a Hafiz-Quran, "I don't know what it means, I just memorise it". Finally an arab dude saves the day and answers the question.
lol
God sends mankind a book. Imagine that, God sent you a book, we're talking God here, and you dont even bother to find out what it says!?
And people wonder why "Muslims" are in the state there in.
Wakas
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Peace All,
Where in the world do women have full freedom of what to wear and how to wear it? Women are always under pressure from either tradition or fashion. I cannot blame those girls who wear hijab with tight skirts, etc. They have to deal with the pressure coming from both places, their families and their peers.
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sorry np, I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
I was commenting on trend I've have seen among young muslim. I wasn't generalising or proclaimg "we are better than them".you are right also, the superiority complex is on both sides, as God says in his book, every community rejoices in what it has been given and think they are better than the other.
I'm have been critical of this forum on many occassions.
I beleive Hijab can also be liberating and a sign of progression, but it depends on what your motive is .... and thats a seperate discussion.
peace.
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As Salaam Alaikum,
NoProgressive So what did you mean when you said
Free-Minds.org, calls itself prgoressive. But yet it seems as if many of the members are just 16th century rulers wanting to control women.I meant exactly what I said. There are many members here who choose to live like 16th century rules, wanting to control women. I sure didn't say all.
salaam
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As Salaam Alaikum,
peace,
As a side note, al-quran does not use "hijab" the way it is being used here, in fact, it is not even an item of clothing in al-quran. By using it as such, one is only perpetuating the myth.
I call it hijab, just becuase people will know what i am talking about. I can of course say khimar if I wanted to use Quranic literuate... and no, I am not down with that whole "well a khimar can be this and this" .
I do believe that women were covering their heads with a khimar back then (please note how I didn't say I believe they were commanded to cover their heads). I can point to the use of the word "jilbab", a garment that covers the body, to further my argument. But what the heck I don't know arabic anyway, just some words, so i won't act like a scholar. lol
Good point on righteousness. It upsets me how people don't get the concept of righteousness.
salaam
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In uk & uae, I see so many girls who'll wear the hijab, but then have the tightest jeans or skimpiest top they can find. What's the point. I'm seeing this trend more and more in the uk among younger generation.
luckly for them I'm usally in a rush otherwise I'd stop and ask them.
peace.
OMG! That is sooo true! I know a couple of girls who wear capri pants, short tops, spaghetti straps, and a huge hijab on! It's like, why bother??? ?
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Hi all,
These kids are made to wear hijab becoz...........? Being modest? Should they lower their gazes too?
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peace
i think hijab , (covering head with scarf) looks cool i mean luk at these girls in hijab i think they luk very cute in it ,
well i doubt they are being forced to wear hijab i mean wht da heck they are just too young to too rebel or too feel forced to wear or something,i think it doesnt matter because as their age passes by the hijab will be become a permenent garment for them n then they wont have any problem.
i do have a problem with totally black burkha , n i specially have a problem with niqab ( covering ur face also ) -
Salam,
Funny about these children in "hijab" -- I'm in a Yahoo group and a woman there recently posted, asking about places to buy scarves small enough for her 1-month-old girl... roll
Yes, you have to get them started early on this so they don't rebel later and show their hair to someone. ?
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Hi all,
i think hijab , (covering head with scarf) looks cool i mean luk at these girls in hijab i think they luk very cute in it ,
well i doubt they are being forced to wear hijab i mean wht da heck they are just too young to too rebel or too feel forced to wear or something,Its becoz they are children that they look ''cute'', and not necessarily becoz they are covered with head cover.
Have u seen a child without hijab and felt she would only look cute with one?Children are children. They are innocent. Girls and boys alike. I think hijab for female children is taking it a bit too far.
How would u train the boys for the beard tradition? Artifical beards stuck to their chin, until they have their own?winkFunny about these children in "hijab" -- I'm in a Yahoo group and a woman there recently posted, asking about places to buy scarves small enough for her 1-month-old girl... roll
Yes, you have to get them started early on this so they don't rebel later and show their hair to someone. ?Propably they would also prefer teaching/training their female children how inferior they are to men, and how submissive they should remain to men. So that these girls dont ever dare to be independent or feel worthy or feel equal.
Its sad there is so much gender bias which starts as early as the birth of a child. (Peace!
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peacefulmuslim,
Has it not occured to you that maybe those little kids are only wearing hijabs on their heads becuase it may be a special occasion??????
For instance, personally, becuas I know that a hijab is about sex, modesty, etc, and one has to be aware of their body when wearing i will forbid my daughters from wearing it until they come of a certain age... BUT when they go to the mosque, Eid, or whatever other Muslim event I would allow them to wear it. Special occasions, certian circumstances. I think that it's cute.
Among women it's a symbol of modesty.
Among children it's just a symbol of identity.
salaam
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As Salaam Alaikum TheNabi,
Peace
So hijab is worn not only to meet the standards of modesty but for special occassion? Can you explain the point in wearing a viel for special occassion as it pertains to islam?
Joe
Seriously, I believe that you all are taking something very simple to a an extreme level. You all are making it pervertic.
If you seriously think that the young girl in the picture about the french ban of hijab, represents a young girl forced to cover her head, becuase her parents believe that she may be "inmodest" without it, somehting is seriously wrong with you. It only shows whatever hate that you may have for hijab. You can't even think reasonably.
Whether you like it or not the hijab is very much apart of MILLIONS of muslims identity.
For women it's about modesty (and identity). And for kids, such as little babies, it's looked at as a view of INDENTITY more than anything... definitly not modesty.
I'm not saying that hijab is something that should be worn for special occausions, or that it's meant for that. No.
What I am saying is it's my belief that the vast majoiryt of the time you will nly find little girls wearing hijabs on special occasions. Becuase (1) they may want to look like their mother, and (2) it's a religious belief, therefore a religious symbol and they are at a religion-related event
I seriously doubt that "she needs to be modest at this occasion" is the number reason, or even the 2nd, 3rd, or evne 4th, that a 5 year old is wearing a hijab at the masjid, according to her parents. Though I see that you all really want to believe this. Don't be fooled, not every muslim in the mainstream thought, is an extremist!
It's an issue of IDENTITY, not an issue of modesty!!
I have a question. If I was pregnant and went out and bought my kid a Quran, would that be bad? If I wanted that Quran to be its first gift?? Sat it right on a table, beside its crib, as if they could actually read it or something, would that be gross?? Would be bad to have like "God is Great" on its wall?
salaam
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Peace
Seriously, I believe that you all are taking something very simple to a an extreme level. You all are making it pervertic.
Okay, point taken.
If you seriously think that the young girl in the picture about the french ban of hijab, represents a young girl forced to cover her head
I do not think any of these young females are forced to wear them, though I doubt they choose their own attire. I certainly did not when I was young. Still different strokes for different folks.
It only shows whatever hate that you may have for hijab.
No it does not. I've no hate for veils, well maybe for ugly ones or those mis-matched in one's attire. It certainly looks good on some women.
Whether you like it or not the hijab is very much apart of MILLIONS of muslims identity.
Yes I understand this. Still what knowledge have you of the identifying marks of a muslim that God has pointed out?
For women it's about modesty (and identity).
Why identity? It's certainly not just a muslim thing in that respect.
And for kids, such as little babies, it's looked at as a view of INDENTITY more than anything... definitly not modesty.
Is the parent then not forcing a belief on their child. Can you truly say that a child is muslim or has chosen to be muslim because their parent/s have put this so-called identity mark on them?
definitly not modesty.
You said it was for modesty and identity.
Becuase (1) they may want to look like their mother,
Nothing wrong in that, still it has no significance to the deen.
it's a religious belief
Again, of the child or the parent. Therein comes the question, is this a forced conversion?
Don't be fooled, not every muslim in the mainstream thought, is an extremist!
I do not know every muslim so I would not hold each and every one of them to that title.
It's an issue of IDENTITY, not an issue of modesty!!
Please point out the defining factors of a muslim based on God's judgement.
Also note that hijab from Ha-Jim-Ba (that which conceals) occurs in the reading 7x and none have to do with issues of modesty or headgear. So I'm not sure how you make it an identifying factor in the 1st place.
If I was pregnant and went out and bought my kid a Quran, would that be bad?
Does your child know how to read at the tender age of his/her 6 month fetal period? To me it's not really a practical decision, maybe some diapers and other things would be more important. If you've got a quran and your child likes reading ur's and wants one of his/her own I say go for it.
Joe
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As SAlaam Alaikum The Nabi,
Peace
I do not think any of these young females are forced to wear them, though I doubt they choose their own attire. I certainly did not when I was young. Still different strokes for different folks.Then why are you complaigning? Based on your admission, this seems to be just the old facts and ways of life. Parents choose what their kids wear.
Americans do it, Europeans do it, Austrailian do it, Arabs do it, Asians do it, AFricans do it. Very few societies do not choose what tehir children wear.Are you mad at everyone who chooses what their kids wear???? Are you mad at parents who dress their kids up?? Or are you just mad at Muslims for doing it?
Either you want to have a constructive argument or you just want to complain.
Yes I understand this. Still what knowledge have you of the identifying marks of a muslim that God has pointed out?
What are you talking about????? Just becuase I choose not ot be arrogant and irrational when it comes to hijab, it surely does not mean that I believe that one has to wear it or that God commanded it. I'm talking about their beliefs.
Why identity? It's certainly not just a muslim thing in that respect.
Well I surely doubt most Muslims think of Nuns and Jewish women when they think of a headcovering.
Is the parent then not forcing a belief on their child. Can you truly say that a child is muslim or has chosen to be muslim because their parent/s have put this so-called identity mark on them?
LOL. LOL. So you believe that babies are non-believers??
Are you going to allow your 5 yr olds to go around and curse? It's only your belief and others, that may believe that its wrong. Not thiers.
Oh and tha fan favorite, are you going to allow them to eat pork, like peppreroni pizza at their friends b-day parties? It may be only your belief that it's wrong.
What about respecting others? What are you going to teach them about that???
Screw the idea that I am "forcing" my child to be Muslim just becuase from day one I will identify them as Muslim and bring them up as Muslim.
I'd rathar bring them up teaching them certian beliefs, then suddenly when they are 13 expect them to start making salat, and fasting for Ramadan. You can't have intellectual conversations about religion with kids until about that age..
You said it was for modesty and identity.
Woemn--- modesty (and idenity)
Kids--- Identity.Nothing wrong in that, still it has no significance to the deen.
Last time I checked God said covered your zinat excpet what is apparent. Who hte heck are you to define that for any one else?
Again, of the child or the parent. Therein comes the question, is this a forced conversion?
Your question is wrong in the first place because babies aren't non-believers! They don't reject God!
Also note that hijab from Ha-Jim-Ba (that which conceals) occurs in the reading 7x and none have to do with issues of modesty or headgear. So I'm not sure how you make it an identifying factor in the 1st place.
I make it an idenitifying factor for simpliticy, becuase many Muslims use it as that. Even more I use "hijab" as simplicity because that's how many Muslims in the USA say it. You won't win on that.
"Khimar' is the word used that many Muslim find their juitificuation for a headcovering, whcih is another subject in itself.
salaam
