Ladies - do you wear hijab?
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Peacefulmuslim sweetheart you can always read my mind.
burhan_21 you must be psychic too , i do kind of feel inferior when going past girls wearing hijab especially when they stare at me.
NoProgressive so true. I see girls not wearing hijab who look down on girls that do, yet they themselves look like tramps.
My neice is 11yrs old She gets forced to wear a scarf by her dad(my brother in law). She has told me about a 1000 times how much she hates wearing it and yet when my daughter gets bullied by my mum and mob she also joins in.
my mum always told me i would be hung from my hair for infinity for not covering my head. So iv'e cut my hair short. Now she tells me that as a punishment i am going to have to find and collect (with a tweezer )every hair that i cut off and then i will be dragged by my hair till my skin tears off.
I'm thinking of going for shave now.
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SaLaM Tahira and NP
Scare tactics. Nothing else.
NP, no one is bad mouthing hijabs. Atleast i hope not. But IM saying is that to make a woman wear hijab forcefully USING religion is disgusting. ITs not just silly, its stupid. ANd yes, in that case , wearing hijabs become an act of stupidity. My heart cries for women who are forced to wear hijab. I am guilty of this sin.
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SaLaM Tahira
Ill double post here to outline a point for you.
I hope, you take the time out to educate your daughter AND your neice about the isssue of hijabs. This is very important. ESPECIALLY at the age they are ate. This is the time. My heart breaks for your neice who is forced to wear hijab. Such oppersion should be left back in pakistan. UK is no place for this rubbish. Plz dont think that im trying to tell you what to do. But i think its important that your daughter is educated on this issue so if your mom or ur brother in law try to fill her head with nonsense, she will know the truth and wont be easily played by them.
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Hi all,
Where do such hadiths come from and who actually believe such nonsense?
I am afraid over 90% of so called muslims. It is one of the tragedies of te muslim world. You indeed are very fortunate if you ave not come across the hadith fascists. In fact if you dont accept hadith alongside Quran they will declare you Kafir(now that must ring few bells).
I have come across people who spell out hadiths for every thing......sit, walk, stand etc...
Though the main focus in my families has been hadith on reciting Quran. Like they believe reciting some particular sura some number of times, benefits ur health, or takes u near heaven etc...as supposedly said by Prophet Mohammed.
The hadiths that Tahira has frequently mentioned of women being called hell dwellers and sinners and evil ones etc.........I have never heard them....propably coz no one dare say such stuff in our society against women. or propably becoz reason and understanding dooms such stupid belief.......I am afraid the scenario Tahira desribes is only too common and very familiar and unfortunately even more depressing for someone like Tahira as there are so few women who question authority of hadiths, therefore very few who will understand her view point.
We have hadith followers too in our society and family. U just cant make sense with them.
I just let them be. They can believe what they wish and I shall believe what makes sense to me.
Tahira, I'd suggest u do the same.Note for Tahira, just be careful as how vocally you express your stance to others in your family or the community as things can become very nasty.
You may have to work to on your family gradually. Why not start a Quran studying group within your family as they are unlikely to object. Go through non controversial subjects initially like Haj, Fasting, salat etc they might be surprised at they had percieved and what the Quran says and perhaps eventually you could tackle the subject of Hadith and try to interpert suras such as 456 and 7185.
It might not atill work but it is worth a try-be very patient.
regardsActually, stillearning, most of these hadith followers dont believe or see the need to understand Quran. Their focus is on recitation. And that is the main problem. If they understand Quran and read good translations, the Hadiths which make no sense will dissappear from their minds, coz most of Hadith contradicts Quran. The other day, I was just browsing through a Dua book, which my Aunt had gifted me. It contained a hadith where Prophet Mohammed is supposed to have said, no body can reach towards God except through me. It so Reminded me of what the christians believe about Jesus.
my mum always told me i would be hung from my hair for infinity for not covering my head. So iv'e cut my hair short. Now she tells me that as a punishment i am going to have to find and collect (with a tweezer )every hair that i cut off and then i will be dragged by my hair till my skin tears off.
I'm thinking of going for shave now.That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in my entire life.
The dramatisation is quite funny rotfl
What a crazy world we live in!But why are u scared? why do u need to chop ur hair becoz of their stupid thoughts?
Come on , Tahira, Be who u r and do only what u believe in . -
This Hijab thing has got nothing to do with Islam. Islam foster modesty. Women can be covered with leaves or papers if they want to; the take home message is just be modest.
This is 2005 and we do not have to wast time on the Hijab issue. What we need to do is to help each other. We have to get out of the mess around us.
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NoProgressive Who told you we called hijab silly, we are saying exactly what you are saying that women should have a choice.
What we are saying here is that people who force women to wear hijab and people who try to show women that don't wear hijab as liberated are wrong. Hijab is on a garment FULL STOP.
What my brothers and sisters(who you called extremists)are trying to do is sympathise with my current situation.
I am very happy for those women that wear hijab and feel liberated but my daughter doesn't want to wear one.
So how is it ok that you can call us (humans) extremists but we can't say anything bad about a piece of material. The material/garment is not going to be offended but your brothers and sisters on this forum will be.
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As Salaam Alaikum,
What my brothers and sisters(who you called extremists)are trying to do is sympathise with my current situation.
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I am not referign to the post that you made, or the ones that were replying to it.
salaam
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Jaxal the BNP thing you said, you are scaring me now. True there are still honour killings going on and even in the uk. There is the one about the girl in bradford 3 , she forced into marriage and when she came back here she wanted to get out of it so her uncles and brothers ran over her in their car about 6 times(but iv'e heard it was8 times). Then there was another family in bradford who had a daughter (with her own mind and views on forced marriage) so her family including mum and dad chopped her up and kept in a very large freezer(the type you have at the butchers that opens on the top).
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NoProgressive So what did you mean when you said
Free-Minds.org, calls itself prgoressive. But yet it seems as if many of the members are just 16th century rulers wanting to control women. -
peace,
As a side note, al-quran does not use "hijab" the way it is being used here, in fact, it is not even an item of clothing in al-quran. By using it as such, one is only perpetuating the myth.
Women can wear a veil if they wish, but the best garment is the garment of righteousness according to al-quran. So according to al-quran itself, if one were to list an order of importance, it would be righteousness first. Something to think about.
Please remember though, most Muslims have not actually read the book (in a language they understand) that they claim to follow, i.e. al-quran. And conjecture is no substitute for the truth.
Wakas
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I saw a tv show once, where a reporter was asking muslims coming from jumma what the last sentence from al-fathiha meant in their language. Not one was able to answer. the classic answer comes from a Hafiz-Quran, "I don't know what it means, I just memorise it". Finally an arab dude saves the day and answers the question.
lol
God sends mankind a book. Imagine that, God sent you a book, we're talking God here, and you dont even bother to find out what it says!?
And people wonder why "Muslims" are in the state there in.
Wakas
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Peace All,
Where in the world do women have full freedom of what to wear and how to wear it? Women are always under pressure from either tradition or fashion. I cannot blame those girls who wear hijab with tight skirts, etc. They have to deal with the pressure coming from both places, their families and their peers.
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sorry np, I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
I was commenting on trend I've have seen among young muslim. I wasn't generalising or proclaimg "we are better than them".you are right also, the superiority complex is on both sides, as God says in his book, every community rejoices in what it has been given and think they are better than the other.
I'm have been critical of this forum on many occassions.
I beleive Hijab can also be liberating and a sign of progression, but it depends on what your motive is .... and thats a seperate discussion.
peace.
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As Salaam Alaikum,
NoProgressive So what did you mean when you said
Free-Minds.org, calls itself prgoressive. But yet it seems as if many of the members are just 16th century rulers wanting to control women.I meant exactly what I said. There are many members here who choose to live like 16th century rules, wanting to control women. I sure didn't say all.
salaam
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As Salaam Alaikum,
peace,
As a side note, al-quran does not use "hijab" the way it is being used here, in fact, it is not even an item of clothing in al-quran. By using it as such, one is only perpetuating the myth.
I call it hijab, just becuase people will know what i am talking about. I can of course say khimar if I wanted to use Quranic literuate... and no, I am not down with that whole "well a khimar can be this and this" .
I do believe that women were covering their heads with a khimar back then (please note how I didn't say I believe they were commanded to cover their heads). I can point to the use of the word "jilbab", a garment that covers the body, to further my argument. But what the heck I don't know arabic anyway, just some words, so i won't act like a scholar. lol
Good point on righteousness. It upsets me how people don't get the concept of righteousness.
salaam
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In uk & uae, I see so many girls who'll wear the hijab, but then have the tightest jeans or skimpiest top they can find. What's the point. I'm seeing this trend more and more in the uk among younger generation.
luckly for them I'm usally in a rush otherwise I'd stop and ask them.
peace.
OMG! That is sooo true! I know a couple of girls who wear capri pants, short tops, spaghetti straps, and a huge hijab on! It's like, why bother??? ?
