What does 'islam' mean to you?
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Danish, 'nature' hasn't called for anything because nature by itself is an ayaat. Your assumptions are against al-quraan and its no longer your criterion
EVERYTHING mentioned in the Quran HAS been the result of exactly what NATURE has called for and NOT the other way around.
Allah is 'khaliqu as-samawaati wal ardh/evolver of the heavens and the earth' , not nature. Everything tends towards Allah and so the above statement can't be proven either way.
Whether the word 'nature' is in the Quran or not, and whether Allah is evolver of the heavens and the earth or not, what has this got to do with my statement above? Why do you and Ahmed consistently deviate from what is being said? Let me make it simpler by requesting you to answer just a few simple questions, without dodging
Why and what made the Quran revealed?
What is the purpose of the Quran?Once you answer the above questions, reflect on my statement again
EVERYTHING mentioned in the Quran HAS been the result of exactly what NATURE has called for and NOT the other way around.If you still can't contemplate, then as "sawtooth" put it quite bluntly
And which came first, the chicken or the egg wink
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Whether the word 'nature' is in the Quran or not, and whether Allah is evolver of the heavens and the earth or not, what has this got to do with my statement above? Why do you and Ahmed consistently deviate from what is being said? Let me make it simpler by requesting you to answer just a few simple questions, without dodging
What it has to do with your statement is, its renders it meaningless because al-quraan has no word for nature (arabic tabii). Therefore, there's no way to check al-quraan for the answer. Obviously , if you wish to step outside its bounds, you're most welcome to.
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Whether the word 'nature' is in the Quran or not, and whether Allah is evolver of the heavens and the earth or not, what has this got to do with my statement above? Why do you and Ahmed consistently deviate from what is being said? Let me make it simpler by requesting you to answer just a few simple questions, without dodging
What it has to do with your statement is, its renders it meaningless because al-quraan has no word for nature (arabic tabii). Therefore, there's no way to check al-quraan for the answer. Obviously , if you wish to step outside its bounds, you're most welcome to.
Please let me know WHO is asking for the word 'nature' to be found in the Quran? Besides, you dodged my questions again. This shows your inability to understand what is being discussed. Let's have it mquran.
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Please let me know WHO is asking for the word 'nature' to be found in the Quran? Besides, you dodged my questions again. This shows your inability to understand what is being discussed. Let's have it mquran.
I'M asking for the word to be there It's a MUST for me because to me, al-quraan is an accurate book which you can't play around with. If the word isnt there, the statement cannot be proven unless you deconstruct what 'nature' is.
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Please let me know WHO is asking for the word 'nature' to be found in the Quran? Besides, you dodged my questions again. This shows your inability to understand what is being discussed. Let's have it mquran.
I'M asking for the word to be there ) It's a MUST for me because to me, al-quraan is an accurate book which you can't play around with. If the word isnt there, the statement cannot be proven unless you deconstruct what 'nature' is.
My statement still holds irrelevant of whether the word 'nature' is found in the Quran or not. I've asked you and Ahmed several questions by now, right from my very first post, and you keep ignoring and dodging them, Why?
The moderators must concede the inapproprateness of such discussion that eventually gets out-of-control leading to disagreements and disharmony. Ahmed has voluntarily disarmed himself from answering and this effect has taken its toll on you and others. Why indulge yourself in frivilous discussions when you guys can't put up with it?
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My statement still holds irrelevant of whether the word 'nature' is found in the Quran or not. I've asked you and Ahmed several questions by now, right from my very first post, and you keep ignoring and dodging them, Why?
Well, if you think its not relevant, then that's your personal affair. I take al-quraan very seriously and feel it must speak of everything relevant to my life.
The moderators must concede the inapproprateness of such discussion that eventually gets out-of-control leading to disagreements and disharmony. Ahmed has voluntarily disarmed himself from answering and this effect has taken its toll on you and others. Why indulge yourself in frivilous discussions when you guys can't put up with it?
I contend that its you who can't accept the fact that al-quraan has nothing to do with your views. It doesn't even have the word you need to justify your views. If you can't handle this fact, no amount of taunting will help, sorry.
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Well, if you think its not relevant, then that's your personal affair. I take al-quraan very seriously and feel it must speak of everything relevant to my life.
It is essentially the personal affair of everyone and everything that exists in nature (which includes events, stories, creatures, forces, processes, characteristics, phenomenon, etc., etc.) without which the Quran wouldn?t exist. You can?t seem to adhere to simple rules of discussions and basic comprehension seriously, then to talk about Quran relevant to your life for crying out loud.
I contend that its you who can't accept the fact that al-quraan has nothing to do with your views. It doesn't even have the word you need to justify your views. If you can't handle this fact, no amount of taunting will help, sorry.
And I profess that it is obviously you who cannot accept the fact that I am not even talking about the word ?nature? being mentioned in the Quran or not, yet you keep on bragging about it since you've nothing else to add nor prepared to answer my questions. It has nothing whatsoever to do with discussion and my statement at hand. Nice try.
Quran mentions stories/events that took place in nature. Such stories/events MUST have happened in real life/nature BEFORE the Quran was revealed?
Quran conforms to restrictions, limitations, commands, etc., for all mankind to obey, reflect, reason and follow that MUST have had its effects on events that HAPPENED in nature. Quran cannot possibly be enforcing such conformities without them; else it cannot possibly be true, let alone GOD?s Words.
Quran was revealed some 1400 years ago, before which it never existed. Judaism and Christianity existed before the Quran was revealed, hence the mentioning of those religions.My irrefutable statement must hold. There?s no possible way out for you or anyone else regardless of your deviations, sidetracking and dodging around
EVERYTHING mentioned in the Quran HAS been the result of exactly what NATURE has called for and NOT the other way around. -
DanishIt is essentially the personal affair of everyone and everything that exists in nature (which includes events, stories, creatures, forces, processes, characteristics, phenomenon, etc., etc.) without which the Quran wouldnt exist. You cant seem to adhere to simple rules of discussions and basic comprehension seriously, then to talk about Quran relevant to your life for crying out loud.
Is this what 'nature' means in normative terms? Kinldy provide an etymology for 'nature'.
And I profess that it is obviously you who cannot accept the fact that I am not even talking about the word nature being mentioned in the Quran or not, yet you keep on bragging about it since you've nothing else to add nor prepared to answer my questions. It has nothing whatsoever to do with discussion and my statement at hand. Nice try.
No, you're talking not about the word nature, correct. I am talking about the word. I challenge your use of it because it's not a Quranic word. Can you understand this please? If you cannot, then do say so and I will rephrase.
Quran mentions stories/events that took place in nature. Such stories/events MUST have happened in real life/nature BEFORE the Quran was revealed?
So now , is the word 'life' or 'nature' ? Would you mind getting your terms straight please?
Quran conforms to restrictions, limitations, commands, etc., for all mankind to obey, reflect, reason and follow that MUST have had its effects on events that HAPPENED in nature. Quran cannot possibly be enforcing such conformities without them; else it cannot possibly be true, let alone GODs Words
Then the word cannot be nature. Once again, look at the etymology of 'nature'.
Quran was revealed some 1400 years ago, before which it never existed. Judaism and Christianity existed before the Quran was revealed, hence the mentioning of those religions.
Al-quran never mentions judaism or christianity. Please try to actually study al-quraan before putting out false information about it.
EVERYTHING mentioned in the Quran HAS been the result of exactly what NATURE has called for and NOT the other way around.
'Nature' as you have defined it , never called for anything. Al-quraan speaks of Allah, not of nature being al-qaadir.
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DanishIt is essentially the personal affair of everyone and everything that exists in nature (which includes events, stories, creatures, forces, processes, characteristics, phenomenon, etc., etc.) without which the Quran wouldn?t exist. You can?t seem to adhere to simple rules of discussions and basic comprehension seriously, then to talk about Quran relevant to your life for crying out loud.
Is this what 'nature' means in normative terms? Kinldy provide an etymology for 'nature'.
Please provide evidence of the word 'normative' and 'etymology' in the Quran?
Al-quran never mentions judaism or christianity. Please try to actually study al-quraan before putting out false information about it.
Then who are the ones that said "Son of GOD" in 930?
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DanishPlease provide evidence of the word 'normative' and 'etymology' in the Quran?
I don't have to because I didn't assert anything about them. You on the other hand asserted EVERYTHING mentioned in the Quran HAS been the result of exactly what NATURE has called for and NOT the other way around. ,a total falsehood in light of Quranic metaphysics.
Then who are the ones that said "Son of GOD" in 930?
The same people who say 'WE are sons of Allah...' (5/1. Same word used.
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SawtoothWell Danish, all I can say about the koran and what is found in it, is that you can find anything in anything if want
From a person who professes never to have read al-quraan and who also professes to come in peace, the above statement seems devious.
Sawtooth, if you can find it whatever you choose, I challenge you to do it. Find in it a command to worship Jesus. Lets see if that's possible, ok?
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Joe Some people do find it possible. I'm not saying it is right, but it is possible to see what one wants, contrary to the evidence
You then take it to test. Does the book reject it or accept it. Al-quraan isnt an impotent text which accepts any false interpretation. This is why we're able to rediscover its primordial meanings despite centuries of obfuscation.
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Danishlease provide evidence of the word 'normative' and 'etymology' in the Quran?
I don't have to because I didn't assert anything about them. You on the other hand asserted EVERYTHING mentioned in the Quran HAS been the result of exactly what NATURE has called for and NOT the other way around. ,a total falsehood in light of Quranic metaphysics.
Please provide evidence of the words 'metaphysics', 'normative' and 'etymology' via al Quran?
Then who are the ones that said "Son of GOD" in 930?
The same people who say 'WE are sons of Allah...' (5/1. Same word used.
Please provide evidence from the verse 930 that mentions "WE are sons of Allah"? And btw, what same people are you talking about in light of 930???? LOL!!! Would you mind translating the entire verse 930 in what YOU assert to be?
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Danish, when you wish to continue in a mature fashion, let me know. Till then, salaam )
When your own deceptive and antagonizing tactics are thrown back at you in the same manner and reversed, the hunter gets hunted. A lesson to learn. wink That's all.
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When your own deceptive and antagonizing tactics are thrown back at you in the same manner and reversed, the hunter gets hunted. A lesson to learn. That's all.
So its deceptive and antagonistic to ask you to bring evidence and define a word which you use in your allegation? Can we speak about the Book of Allah as we like?
Hunter and hunted? I'm sorry but I'm not here for the gratification of my ego. Perhaps you are as your words have betrayed and if so, good luck to you.
When you're ready to tell us where Al-quraan uses the word 'nature' or intends for its meaning, let me know.