What does 'islam' mean to you?
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peace. i personally believe islam is following the understanding/awareness revealed by god in all areas of human life. some may choose to call this the social conscience.
this is my first post after a year of reading at this site. i applaud the efforts of the people on this site and thier positive contribution to understanding our obligations. -
Peace. Thank you for the welcome brother zenje.
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It is this type of subjectivity that makes the real message incomprehensible. I've said it once and i'll continue to say it. You guys have an invested interest in the word ISLAM to the point where you will define it however you want to. As long as you have that type of loyalty to a word, your loyalty to the truth will never show up.
God bless you all,
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Peace Progod,
It is this type of subjectivity that makes the real message incomprehensible. I've said it once and i'll continue to say it. You guys have an invested interest in the word ISLAM to the point where you will define it however you want to. As long as you have that type of loyalty to a word, your loyalty to the truth will never show up.
How will u define Islam? what does the word mean to u?
Peace!
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asdfjk, nice to see you post brother.
peace bro - you inspired me!
and greeting to you too Warda - I've silent through work and family commitments causing me to have less time to join in the debates. Inshallah I can still benefit from some of the work that is taking place here from my more occasional visits
salaams all
asdfjk
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Peace be upon you all,
I do agree with what Anwar (progod) said, but I just went along with the question asked. Many people will have different subjective ideas about whgat it means, but when we get down to the truth of the matter, th eonly thing that matters is what the word really means in the language of the reading(quran). Not necessarilly the arabic language because a lot of it has been corrupted to fit the made up religious meanings.
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Peace,
Thanks for agreeing Idolfree. But I will never agree with this
the only thing that matters is what the word really means in the language of the reading(quran). Not necessarilly the arabic language because a lot of it has been corrupted to fit the made up religious meanings.
That is just not true and goes against logic.
There is no such language as the language of the Koran. Never has been and never will be. The Koran is only written in the Arabic language. The made up religious meanings can be easily picked out by looking at a few good dictionaries that focus on linguistic sources. Trying to guess so called "Koranic meanings" is to do the same thing that those early scholars that made up things did. You're just using a different strategy
You become the new lying scholars to save the day and replace the old lying ones. If you want to have the right to do what they did then go ahead. Just know that that is just as wrong as it has always been.
But you don't have to listen to what I'm saying. And I'm sure you won't, so I don't have to worry about anything.
Godbless,
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I know the question in not about the meaning of the word Islam which is to submit totally to Allah, however this is exactly how I feel and amazingly this feeling only became evident after I reached 40 years old, i found it very amazing but it is true
peace
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Peace be upon you ProGod,
No, I do agree with you, but only to an extent. We can get to the basics of a word, like "kitaab" being book, but never will the dictionaries lead us to the meaning of Universal Law. This meaning is obtained only by pondering and reflecting. And with words like "hajja",many get caught up on pilgrimmage, which in no way refelcts the usage of that word in this reading.
But I respect your understandings and will agree to disaree on th epoints we cant agree on.
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my salaam,nice topic.first of all for me islam can meen many things,knowing that islam means submission,so any one can be in submission to practically anything without even realising it (money,desires,women,blindy following....etc)Islam is simple but it can also open the door to many temptations without even knowing that we are falling to a trap.The God gave us the ability to choose so therefore we can shape that islam to practically anything we want.Therefore the real islam to me is the way that someone can focuse his or her mind into submitting to The God by obeying only The God,by thinking only about The Gog thru out his or her entire life,this is what i think.(so please correct me if i`m wrong),may The God increase me in knowledge.May peace be with you all.
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islam since joining this forum has meant a very peaceful life. i've long since stopped worrying over hadith or the need to defend my quran alone beliefs. it's just been a very peaceful last few years; praise to Allah.
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Idolfree,
Thanks for the response. The Koran may talk about universal law, but kitaab will never mean that on its own. As for hajja, yeah it can mean 'to reason with someone" (not debate in the sense of baseless arguing) but it can also mean pilgrimage, and that meaning can't be taken away. I believe that the Koran means 'pilgrimage' in most places where it uses the word hajj (not all places) and a physical place of pilgrimage is implied by the Koran. But I know your a mystic, and I know that you will not agree with what I'm saying. So really, I just responded to you because your responded to me. I know when it comes to us it will be nothing but a petty 'tick for tack.' Why? Because ignorance invents its own knowledge when it can't or doesn't want to know better.
Waiting for you 'tack',
Godbless,
ProGod
