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Peace,
And Nabi, if I remember right, their most supreme god is ishwar/shiva/vishnu , while ' krishna' is one of the avtar of vishnu. Too many names.
No Krishna is the ultimate, the supreme being, pervading all things and by which all exist. Of him it is said
Neither the gods nor the great seers know My origin; for I am, every way, the origin of them both.
He is called Vishnu by Arjuna and he is the syllable AUM , he is Brahman which is the Supreme .
The syllable AUM from what I know represents the creation/rajas (Brahma), preservation/satva (Vishnu), and destruction/tamas (Shiva). Read chapter 11 of the Bhagavad Gita to see Krishn'a (God) oppulences.
Joe
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Hi Nabi,
No Krishna is the ultimate, the supreme being, pervading all things and by which all exist. Of him it is said
Neither the gods nor the great seers know My origin; for I am, every way, the origin of them both.
He is called Vishnu by Arjuna and he is the syllable AUM , he is Brahman which is the Supreme .
The syllable AUM from what I know represents the creation/rajas (Brahma), preservation/satva (Vishnu), and destruction/tamas (Shiva). Read chapter 11 of the Bhagavad Gita to see Krishn'a (God) oppulences.Hindu dharma accepts the existence of several Gods or deities, it accepts only one God, the Supreme.
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva. are not three independent and separate deities, but three different aspects of the same Supreme God, while engaged in the processes of creation, sustenance and destruction of the universe, in that order
Lord Vishnu's preserving, protecting powers have been manifested to the world in a variety of forms, called Avatars, in which one or more of his divine attributes were embodied in the shape of a human being or an animal or a human-animal combined form, possessing great and sometimes supernatural powers. All these Avatars of Vishnu appeared in the world either to correct some great evil or to effect some great good on earth. These avatars are ten in number, however, the Bhag wad Purana increases them to twenty two and adds further that are innumerable.
Of the ten universally recognized avatars, nine have already manifested whereas the tenth is yet to appear.
It is important to note that the all the Avatars are earthly form of Lord Vishnu , who himself is eternal, unchangeable and immutable.
Parashurama shows the man of power, Rama the Divine warrior and protector, Krishna the Divine lover, Buddha the Divine sage, and Kalki the completer and saviour . In this scheme we see the idea of the evolution of the soul from the animal re alms to perfect spiritual knowledge.
from http//www.hindunet.org/avatars/index.htm.
also check http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatarso, krishna is one of the incarnation of vishnu, in the formof which he comes to earth '' For the protection of the good, for destruction of evil, and for the establishment of righteousness, I come into being from age to age.? (Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 4, verse 8.)
They consider Buddha as an avatar of vishnu too, but ironically buddha in his life never claimed so but infact did not believe in an entity called God.
One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
"No", answered Buddha.
"Then are you a healer?"
"No", Buddha replied.
"Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
"No, I am not a teacher."
"Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
"I am awake", Buddha replied.Peace!
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Peace,
There's a saying 'God is one; Sages call It by various names.'
Vishnu, Krishna, Rama, etc are God. One can go so far as to say each of us is the avatar/decent of Krishna (God).
You must not generalize the peope of Sanatana Dharma because they are as diverse as are all the religions and movements in the world. Not all consider Buddha an avatar.
Joe
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HI Nabi,
There's a saying 'God is one; Sages call It by various names.'.
In Hinduism ,they have one supreme god and several devas.
Actually the vedas talk of only one God But Hindus believe in many (Less poweful than Vishnu) more Gods.Vishnu, Krishna, Rama, etc are God. One can go so far as to say each of us is the avatar/decent of Krishna (God).
U r confusing the names and the concept. Krishna is a human avatar of vishnu, who was born in 3228BC to princess Devaki, was a friend of the pandavas, and guides and counsels them during Kurukshetra war, and 'Bhagwad Gita' constitutes the advice given by him to Arjuna(one of the pandavas).
According to hinduism, Krishna is one of the human incarnation of the eternal God(vishnu).Similarly, Rama was also a human being (7 th avatar of vishnu) who was born in ayodhya to king Dasaratha and Queen Kausalya,married sita, was sent to live in the forest for 13 yrs becoz of his step mom(kekayi)and later on inherited the throne to the kingdom of Ayodhya and kosala(which are in India).
Strange enough that the hindus demolished a large mosque(babri masjid) in ayodhya, in 1992, claiming that, that mosque was built on the exact location where rama was born, and hence that spot should have a ram temple instead. roll The case is still ongoing in the courts.While there was no God form called vishnu on earth. Vishnu, they believe is the eternal one residing in heaven and he visited earth, in the form of human being as Krishna, rama etc...
One can go so far as to say each of us is the avatar/decent of Krishna (God).
What? Each of us is God????shock
I think u have misunderstood the concept of ''Avatar of God''. It means, God takes a human/animal form to visit earth with a pupose ?For the protection of the good, for destruction of evil, and for the establishment of righteousness, I come into being from age to age.? (Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 4, verse 8.)You must not generalize the peope of Sanatana Dharma because they are as diverse as are all the religions and movements in the world. Not all consider Buddha an avatar.
Hinduism has basic beliefs and that also includes belief in scriptures such as Vedas, Gita, Ramayana, and Mahabharatha.
U r right about Buddha though. Coz I personally had not come across any hindu worshipping Buddha in temples in India, or worshipping buddha idols in thier homes.
or may be coz he is relatively new as compared to others and they are used to worshipping the other forms.
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Peace,
Actually the vedas talk of only one God But Hindus believe in many (Less poweful than Vishnu) more Gods.
Yes there are other gods but it is not promoted to worship them.
U r confusing the names and the concept.
No I'm not.
According to hinduism, Krishna is one of the human incarnation of the eternal God(vishnu).
One takes the Puranas and apply the neutral buddhi giving due importance to one's intuition also and comes to a conclusion like Vishnu is God. God is all. God is Shiva, Kali, etc. God has infinite forms and formless form. Have you not read the Gita which states "I am Indra, I am Skanda, I am all the demi Gods" and "howsoever a devotee tries to worship one "I" stabilise their faith in that form". So why are you quarelling about the names and forms unnecessarily?
Vishnu, they believe is the eternal one residing in heaven and he visited earth, in the form of human being as Krishna, rama etc...
God is described as all-pervading and is not in one abode. Nor does He visit earth.
What? Each of us is God????
In a sense, yes.
I think u have misunderstood the concept of ''Avatar of God''.
No I have not.
Mahabharatha.
Love the Mahabharat. It takes forever to read but it is as Sauti says the best of histories "like the cow among quadrupeds". Reading and hearing the poem (in understanding) is of great benefit to the person who does so (saves one from sins). It is called Mahabharata, or the Great Bharata because it is superior in substance and gravity of import than the Vedas.
Joe
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Hi Nabi,
I think u have misunderstood the concept of ''Avatar of God''.
No I have not.
Vishnu, they believe is the eternal one residing in heaven and he visited earth, in the form of human being as Krishna, rama etc...
God is described as all-pervading and is not in one abode. Nor does He visit earth.Makes it clear again that u have misunderstood the concept of 'avatar of vishnu'. Krishna, Rama etc were human beings who lived in planet earth(precisely india) and were kings of certain indian empire in the past. They have a life history on earth. Ramayana is an epic about the life of rama on earth and Mahabharatha an epic on bharatas, (a vedic aryan group)also includes the life of krishna.
So, if we are talking of hinduism and not what u personally believe, then it can be said that the eternal God(vishnu) is said to have visited earth in the form of rama, krishna etc. Krishna tells arjuna this as well, in Gita.What? Each of us is God????
In a sense, yes.
According to hinduism, God is/resides in all things(things of life and lifeless objects as well.............so, to say, God resides in u, me plant, flower, stone, rock, book, pen, etc) created by Him.
It is called Mahabharata, or the Great Bharata because it is superior in substance and gravity of import than the Vedas.
It is called Mahabharatha which translates as "the Great Epic of the Bharata Dynasty". Bharatha dynasty was a legendary dynasty of northern India and hence the name 'mahabharata'.The Mahabharata, attributed to the sage Vyasa, is an epic and was written down from 540 to 300 B.C. The Mahabharata tells the legends of the Bharatas, a Vedic Aryan group.
' Vedas' which mean ''knowledge/wisdom'' are believed to be the most ancient of the scriptures ,and dates back to 1500 BC(rig veda).Peace!
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Peace,
So, if we are talking of hinduism and not what u personally believe, then it can be said that the eternal God(vishnu) is said to have visited earth in the form of rama, krishna etc. Krishna tells arjuna this as well, in Gita.
Hinduism is not the correct term. It is sanatana dharma or the eternal service. Again God does not visit the earth. God is everywhere.
According to hinduism, God is/resides in all things(things of life and lifeless objects as well.............so, to say, God resides in u, me plant, flower, stone, rock, book, pen, etc) created by Him.
Okay, I already said this though.
So if you're done trying to inform me of things I've already said straightforwardly then we can let this disussion go. I've already summed up for you my point in the last post.
One takes the Puranas and apply the neutral buddhi giving due importance to one's intuition also and comes to a conclusion like Vishnu is God. God is all. God is Shiva, Kali, etc. God has infinite forms and formless form. Have you not read the Gita which states "I am Indra, I am Skanda, I am all the demi Gods" and "howsoever a devotee tries to worship one "I" stabilise their faith in that form". So why are you quarelling about the names and forms unnecessarily?
Joe
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Hi Nabi,
So, if we are talking of hinduism and not what u personally believe, then it can be said that the eternal God(vishnu) is said to have visited earth in the form of rama, krishna etc. Krishna tells arjuna this as well, in Gita.
Hinduism is not the correct term. It is sanatana dharma or the eternal service. Again God does not visit the earth. God is everywhere.
Who were krishna, rama then? U r mixing what u believe with what hinduism believes. Hindus believe ram and krishna were God's avatars on planet earth(humans who lived precisely in india).
?For the protection of the good, for destruction of evil, and for the establishment of righteousness, I come into being from age to age.? (Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 4, verse 8.)
Ram and krishna were kings who ruled certain regions of India. Like I said, hindus are still fighting to build a temple on 'ram janma bhoomi'(the location/spot where rama was born) in Ayodhya.~Sanatan Dharma is a Sanskrit word meaning "Eternal Truth/Teachings/Tradition."The words Hinduand Hinduism came from the usage of the term Sindhu. "Outsiders" who encountered Sanatanists living near the Sindhu river in the western portion of Bharat (the original and still used Sanskrit name for India) referred to them as "Sindhus" and their unique form of worship as "Sindhuism." Though there was a Sindhu river, Sindhu is actually a generic term for river, and many believe this term was used in a metaphorical sense implying the river or spirituality that flows through all thing?in other words, Sanatan Dharma. With this understanding, the terms Sanatan Dharma and Hinduism become interchangeable with an identical meaning.
http//guruji.narod.ru/sanmarg.html
And hinduism is more commonly used than the term 'sanatan dharma'.One takes the Puranas and apply the neutral buddhi giving due importance to one's intuition also and comes to a conclusion like Vishnu is God. God is all. God is Shiva, Kali, etc. God has infinite forms and formless form. Have you not read the Gita which states "I am Indra, I am Skanda, I am all the demi Gods" and "howsoever a devotee tries to worship one "I" stabilise their faith in that form".
Yes, Krishna tells Arjuna, that he is God.
Its true that hinduism also is monotheistic. But this is only recognised and understood by those who are learned(in scriptures).The majority of hindus are of the view that there are seperate entities(gods) with seperate functions, though less powerful than the higher God(vishnu).
I remember a hindu holy highly learned(in scriptures)person(i shall call him a wise man ), who taught us meditation, who explained that God is one, and all we need to do to get in touch with Him, is close our eyes, focus on the silence within us and meditate, and thus we meet God . No need to go to any temple and do rituals to meet or please God.
I remember, most of the hindus, in the group couldnt help giggling at his idea, coz they are quite embedded in their traditional beliefs of worshipping idols and performing rituals to connect to God. It can be said that their misunderstanding is like that of muslims understanding and following hadith rather than QUran.
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No need to go to any temple and do rituals to meet or please God.
I remember, most of the hindus, in the group couldnt help giggling at his idea, coz they are quite embedded in their traditional beliefs of worshipping idols and performing rituals to connect to God.I agree. The Gita says
All hail to Thee from before and behind! All hail to Thee from every side, O All! Thy prowess is infinite, Thy might is measureless. Thou holdest all, therefore Thou art all. 11/40
Remember, the Gita teaches that mankind can become enarmoured of the rituals in the Vedas, not knowing that it's purpose is to turn one's attention/devotion to Krishna (God).
Joe