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AIDS/HIV a HOAX?

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    unknownuser
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    Hi Bmbmm,

    It distroy cytotoxic CD8 and CD4 T-helper cells, as according to research. However, science carried out to charaterised the HIV is confusing. Check out "Club of Rome and Human Population" on the internet.

    What is that u r trying to say?

    That HIV is man made

    or

    HIV doesnt cause AIDS.

    coz u said

    There is no relation of the distruction of the immunosystem with the virus

    says who?
    Give this a read
    http//www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/howhiv.htm

    Peace!

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      Jaxal
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      SaLaM

      I remember a looooong time i read in an article that a man was injected with hiv virus and he didnt catch it. His blood completely pushed the virus aside and isolated it. Amazing isnt it?

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        Andya_Primanda
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        SaLaM

        I remember a looooong time i read in an article that a man was injected with hiv virus and he didnt catch it. His blood completely pushed the virus aside and isolated it. Amazing isnt it?

        I also know of a published case regarding some prostitutes in an African country which has been found not to develop AIDS after contracting HIV. Apparently some people are resistant to HIV.

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          Jaxal
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          SaLaM Andya

          Wow. I find this so amazing. Facinating

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            bmbmm
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            All i am trying to say is there is no evidence for attribution AIDS to a virus (HIV).

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              Jaxal
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              SaLaM bmbmm

              Brother you ask for evidence. But WHAT KIND of evidence are you looking for?

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                Andya_Primanda
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                All i am trying to say is there is no evidence for attribution AIDS to a virus (HIV).

                So you're saying people can get AIDS without contracting HIV?

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                  bmbmm
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                  Hi,

                  Oh yes AIDS is a defect in the immunesystem and can be caused by many things, such as stress etc.

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                    unknownuser
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                    Hi bmbmm,

                    Oh yes AIDS can be caused by many things, such as stress etc.

                    can u bring forth scientific evidence to such claims?

                    peace!

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                      bmbmm
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                      When we are stressed we get sick because our immunesystem goes down, if this is persistant our immunesystem will eventually fail. Although, this could be a combination of many things, to be honest the immunosystem is very complecated and we are just trying to understand it. Trying to establish a link between this and a virus is possible as well(such as leukemia) but its not always true and is not a best way to help people with AIDS.

                      Peace.

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                        Jaxal
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                        SaLaM bmbmm

                        What? I have never heard of anyone getting aids coz he/she is stressed. WTF o

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                          bmbmm
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                          Salam Jaxal,

                          I do not mean that but it does weaken the immunesystem. If it is persistant the immunesystem can fail. Although people do not use the word AIDS for those situations. However, I do not see any difference.

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                            unknownuser
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                            Hi bmbmm,

                            I do not mean that but it does weaken the immunesystem. If it is persistant the immunesystem can fail. Although people do not use the word AIDS for those situations. However, I do not see any difference.

                            Thats becoz u clearly are not aware of the definition of AIDS

                            The current AIDS definition includes the following conditions

                            • HIV positive, AND

                            • CD4 (T-cell) count below 200 OR presence of one or more opportunistic infections.

                            Opportunistic Infections Included in the CDC's Definition of AIDS

                            • Pneumocystis Carinii Pneumonia (PCP)
                            • Kaposi's Sarcoma (KS)
                            • HIV wasting syndrome
                            • Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
                            • Cryptococcosis, extrapulmonary
                            • HIV encephalopathy (AIDS Dementia)
                            • Mycobacterium Avium Intracellulare (MAC or MAI)
                            • Candidiasis of the esophagus, trachea, bronchi, or lungs
                            • Cryptosporidiosis, chronic intestinal
                            • Cytomegalovirus disease (CMV)
                            • Tuberculosis (outside of the lungs)
                            • Herpes simplex virus infection
                            • Progressive Multifocal Leukoencephalopathy (PML)
                            • Primary lymphoma of the brain
                            • Toxoplasmosis of the brain
                            • Histoplasmosis
                            • Isoporiasis, chronic intestinal
                            • Coccidioidomycosis
                            • Salmonella septicemia
                            • Bacterial infections, recurrent, <13 years
                            • Lymphoid interstitial pneumonia/pulmonary lymphoid hyperplasia, <13 years.
                            • Pulmonary tuberculosis
                            • Recurrent bacterial pneumonia (two or more episodes in one year)
                            • Invasive cervical cancer

                            For surveillance purposes, the CDC currently defines AIDS in an adult or adolescent age 13 years or older as the presence of one of 25 AIDS-indicator conditions, such as KS, PCP or disseminated MAC. In children younger than 13 years, the definition of AIDS is similar to that in adolescents and adults, except that lymphoid interstitial pneumonitis and recurrent bacterial infections are included in the list of AIDS-defining conditions (CDC, 1987b). The case definition in adults and adolescents was expanded in 1993 to include HIV infection in an individual with a CD4+ T cell count less than 200 cells per cubic millimeter (mm3) of blood (CDC, 1992a). The current surveillance definition replaced criteria published in 1987 that were based on clinical conditions and evidence of HIV infection but not on CD4+ T cell determinations (CDC, 1987a).

                            Peace!

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                              bmbmm
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                              Hi,

                              This reminds me of my studies.

                              This is what i am trying to say. It can be caused by so many things, why always attribute it to a virus?

                              Peacefulmuslims....one thing to remember, definition is a definition, not a growing list of "conditions". I have no problems with AIDS. I have problem with the HIV causing AIDS. Because papers published to characterise the virus are not informative for me to reach a conclusion.

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                                unknownuser
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                                Hi bmbmm,

                                This is what i am trying to say. It can be caused by so many things, why always attribute it to a virus?

                                So many things..? such as what?
                                AIDS is a syndrome with a clear definition, caused by HIV.

                                Peacefulmuslims....one thing to remember, definition is a definition, not a growing list of "conditions"..

                                Definition means ''mark out the limits or outline of''. And as our knowledge on the subject improves, we improvise the definition. Whats wrong with that?

                                I have no problems with AIDS. I have problem with the HIV causing AIDS. Because papers published to characterise the virus are not informative for me to reach a conclusion.

                                Give this a read for details
                                http//www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/howhiv.htm

                                Peace!

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                                  bmbmm
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                                  Peace peacefulmuslim.

                                  It is caused by HIV, but how? Testing positive for HIV is based on the antibodies against the viral surface proteins. But were is the evidence that it distroy the cells? Thanks for the site you suggested, I have learned all that in Medical Virology. The problem we have today is a lot of peolpe are dying of AIDS and the biotech companies are making lots of money. Mainly the drugs are HIV-reverse transcriptase inhibitors. These drugs are cheaper than the bottle which they come in. But the interest of the drug companies is big money, and they do not care too much about people.

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                                    unknownuser
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                                    Hi bmbmm,

                                    It is caused by HIV, but how?

                                    u said u learnt all that in virology.

                                    Testing positive for HIV is based on the antibodies against the viral surface proteins. But were is the evidence that it distroy the cells?

                                    http//www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm

                                    The problem we have today is a lot of peolpe are dying of AIDS and the biotech companies are making lots of money. Mainly the drugs are HIV-reverse transcriptase inhibitors.

                                    combination therapy is used.

                                    These drugs are cheaper than the bottle which they come in. But the interest of the drug companies is big money, and they do not care too much abHout people.

                                    well,thats coz pharmaceutical companies are business companies who aim for profits, as high as they can get and blame the governments for giving them a free hand.

                                    Peace!

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                                      bmbmm
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                                      Learning something does not mean you agree with it. Such as evolution.

                                      Peace

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                                        unknownuser
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                                        hi bmbmm,

                                        Learning something does not mean you agree with it.

                                        If u wont agree with scientific evidence based facts, how will u agree?

                                        Peace!

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                                          bmbmm
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                                          I am not convince about HIV we need to do more research on this. I read scientific papers and i need more results to be convinced. Time will tell.

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