Al-ins/al-insan # al-jinn

Jaxal

SaLaM idolfree

Well, to be honest, i cry when i listen to the Quran recitation. So no doubt it is having an effect on my emotions.

wildguest1956

Thanks, lot's of reading material to cover.

As there is a lot of reading material for me to cover and study some more, I think it might take me some time to go through this and figure out whats a good fit. Thanks once again for the help!

Indeed !

If you have some time, you can also read this post, where it is evident that the jinn are the religious leaders who are maintaining the cult of idols for the people.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=63285#63285

And do not miss the book of Shahid A Chaudhary, which is in my opinion a excellent piece of work (although it does not advocate exactly my views).
http//www.parvez-video.com/article_jinn.asp

Peace

unknownuser

Peace be upon you JM,

If you have some time, you can also read this post, where it is evident that the hidden(jinn) are the religious leaders who are maintaining the cult of idols for the people.

Do you see the contradiction?

Jaxal

SaLaM idolfree

I do agree that the heart is related to emotions,

And that is it. We do not think from our heart. We dont do anything from our heart as far as i know. All the thinking is done in the mind.

phoenix1

peace all,

this is really confusing. I get what both of you(idolfree and Jaxal) are saying. And you're actually saying the same thing. Except Jaxal's not ready to believe that the subconcious mind is the nafs/ruh thingy. This is what I understand so far

There is the consious mind
there is the subconscious ( i really need to look up the spelling of that word some time) mind
the conscious mind is what we control. So it is the "I" part of us.
the subconscious mind is what we don't control. The reason for the existence of the subcon mind according to science is that our brain would get too overwhelmed trying to do everything at the same time.
that's a wierd explanation because what is the 'mind' that decides what would be controlled by the 'subcon' and the 'con'
Also, if the subcon and the con were the same thing, how does our Brain control things it doesnt even have the knowledge of? I didnt learn about the circulatory system until 5th grade and i bet my heart was pumping since before I was born. And I didnt learn about hormones and enzymes until the 9th grade. How did I then control every aspect of my body without even knowing what it is?
The answer to that, my friends, is that there is something inside us that has infinite knowledge. That can't be part of our brain, or maybe it is. But that's what our nafs/ruh/soul is. Whatever you wanna call it.

That's what I think I know I think I know. So please feel free to explain to me the rest of it.

phoenix1

and where do the Jinn/angels fit into all of this?

phoenix1

So the ruh is energy. If it is, then what is the relationship between ruh and nafs and body?

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Jaxal,

I do agree that the heart is related to emotions,

And that is it. We do not think from our heart. We dont do anything from our heart as far as i know. All the thinking is done in the mind.

When I said related to emotions, I mean that the heart is a symbolism for the WILL, which is our ability to CHOOSE, and the emotions are to follow that CHOICE. However, most people let there emotions make thier decisions. This is what I meant by related.

unknownuser

Hi Idolfree1,

Please define 'mind' , in english for me without using any arabic words.

When people say MIND, they are really talking about "consciousness". Thats what we ARE, pure consciousness. What we call "I" is that which sees and decides. The ancients call that part "SELF" because it is our identity. But the part that carries things out is the NOT SELF, and its called the Spirit. To relate it to "mind", the conscious mind is "SELF" and the subconcious is 'SPIRIT'.

But agin, to answer your question, when most people speak of "mind" they are refering to consiousness, the SELF, which is the part of wakefulness and SEEING and deciding. This part if free of energy, at PEACE. The SPirit is the ENERGY part, and it is our servant, but unfortunately, most people are ruled by it.

I think I get the deeper meaning of what u r saying and I'd agree with u on this one, though i guess, it can be explained/put in a different way.
But then, what are u saying the mind is? conscious or subconscious or both?

Peace!

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Peaceful Muslim,

I think I get the deeper meaning of what u r saying and I'd agree with u on this one, though i guess, it can be explained/put in a different way.
But then, what are u saying the mind is? conscious or subconscious or both?

"Mind" is the sphere of awareness created by the consciousness percieving the subconcious. The part of us that perceives but cant be percieved itself, is immaterial, and it LOOKS out into the world of energy, the densest part being matter. You are not conscious, you are consciousness itself! D