the reading(quran) is not the title of any book
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Peace be upon you Jaxal,
I am sorry I confused you the way I wrote it.
"quran" = statements
verifyable statements = "haqq"
I hope that clarifies it for you.
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Peace be upon you,
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"quran" = statementsQuran = a Book from God
Books are written by men. TRUTH comes through men from the God. A statement or series of statements , weather spoken or written down are "quran". Statements(quran) that are verifyable are described as Truth(Haqq), and these are the ones that are from the God. Which leads us to the verse;
So do they not consider the reading? And if (it) were from at other than God, they would have found in it much difference/disagreement/contradiction.
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verifyable statements = "haqq"Haq = Truth
Correct. I hope you will take the time to consider what is being tied together.
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Peace be upon you,
The words of the God never run out. This book called "Koran" has a beginning and END.
That which is to be read, the reading (quran), is the universal law (Al Kitaab). The universe has no ends.
salam.
then ,in your opinion, what is the Koran(the book we call "Koran/Quran")? -
Peace be upon you Saladin,
Thanks for joining the conversation D
then ,in your opinion, what is the Koran(the book we call "Koran/Quran")?
As with any statement or group of statements that re either spoken or written(quran), I listen to it and attempt to verify it. So far have verified much of it to be truth(haqq). Therefore those portions are from the God. There are parts I have yet to understand, so I will not speak on them yet. As a whole, since I do not understand 100% of it, I cant say it is from the God, yet. But I GUESS that sooner or later I will verify it is all from the God. But the God's words never run out, and I do not limit he God's words to 114 chapters, so I see guidance in other statements(quran) as well. Of course, we are told "Trust in what was descended upon you AND THOSE BEFORE YOU". So anyone who holds on only to this book that people have given the title "Koran" are not following what the book says. Others take this and trust in the bible thinking there is no other writing besides the bible that are "BEFORE US". The stories of virgin births and resurections come from a much older reading.
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salam idolfree .
you r welcome .
i was just curious about your understanding . i ony wanted to know about your understanding about this .As with any statement or group of statements that re either spoken or written(quran), I listen to it and attempt to verify it. So far have verified much of it to be truth(haqq). Therefore those portions are from the God.
so if the Quran(the book) doesnt ever refer to itself , how do u know that it is from . u say it refers to the universe .
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Peace be upon you Saladin,
i was just curious about your understanding . i ony wanted to know about your understanding about this .
No problem, I hope I explained clearly and effectively.
idolfree1 wrote
As with any statement or group of statements that re either spoken or written(quran), I listen to it and attempt to verify it. So far have verified much of it to be truth(haqq). Therefore those portions are from the God.so if the Quran(the book) doesnt ever refer to itself , how do u know that it is from . u say it refers to the universe .
I didnt quite understand your question, but Iwill try to respond with what I think you are asking. There are statements made in life, either verbally or written. Some writings are compiled into books. Our duty to to listen to ALL OPINIONS, then follow the best(meaning the verifyable statements). This book (called by people Koran) is an opinionthat must be listened to an verified, as with ALL readings. Those hat we verify we follow, those we dont, we discard. Those that verify are from the God, those that dont are not. D
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The universe has no ends.
Where did you get that information from?
Regards,
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idolfree1 wrote
As with any statement or group of statements that re either spoken or written(quran), I listen to it and attempt to verify it. So far have verified much of it to be truth(haqq). Therefore those portions are from the God.so if the Quran(the book) doesnt ever refer to itself , how do u know that it is from . u say it refers to the universe .
I didnt quite understand your question, but Iwill try to respond with what I think you are asking. There are statements made in life, either verbally or written. Some writings are compiled into books. Our duty to to listen to ALL OPINIONS, then follow the best(meaning the verifyable statements). This book (called by people Koran) is an opinionthat must be listened to an verified, as with ALL readings. Those hat we verify we follow, those we dont, we discard. Those that verify are from the God, those that dont are not.
i meant that if the Quran doesnt claim to be form God , then what do u verify in it ? if nothing in the Quran claims to be from God .
or if anything at all is true then it is the word of God ?
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Peace be upon you Lote tree,
idolfree1 wrote
The universe has no ends.
Where did you get that information from?
I'll put it this way. We verify that no one has found the ends yet. D
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peace idolfree1, all
when i first started reading quran i used to get confused while reading verses such asWe have revealed it an Arabic Quran, that you may understand.
Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.
When the Quran is recited, you shall listen to it and take heed, that you may attain mercy.
quran was not compiled/collected as a book before all the 114 suras were revealed. so while studying 122/482/7204 etc if we take the word "quran" for a book it will confuse us sinse at the time of the revelation of these verses there was no book, it used to confuse me and I agree with you that quran does not mean the tittle of a book.The meaning "reading" seems more logical to me.
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Peace be upon you Agentxxx,
quran was not compiled/collected as a book before all the 114 suras were revealed.
Exactly! D
so while studying 122/482/7204 etc if we take the word "quran" for a book it will confuse us sinse at the time of the revelation of these verses there was no book, it used to confuse me and I agree with you that quran does not mean the tittle of a book.The meaning "reading" seems more logical to me.
Absolutely. It takes a lot of courage to see it this way. Many of us are constantly conditioned to see it the other way because this word is harldy ever translated and always capatalized. Brother Ayman wrote a very eye opening article that you should read if you havent.
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/name.htm
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Hi Idolfree1,
What according to u, is the book traditionally called 'Quran', containing 114 chapters?
Whose words are those?Peace!
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i meant that if the Quran doesnt claim to be form God , then what do u verify in it ? if nothing in the Quran claims to be from God .
or if anything at all is true then it is the word of God ?
Hi Idolfree1,
What according to u, is the book traditionally called 'Quran', containing 114 chapters?
Whose words are those?Peace!
and what does Quran(the book) say about itself ?
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Peace be upon you PM,
What according to u, is the book traditionally called 'Quran', containing 114 chapters?
If it is verifyable truth, then it is the God's word. I am finiding it to be the God's word, written through man of course.
Whose words are those?
If truth, they are God's words through man. If yuo are asking what man, then i cannot answer to that which I did not witness.
(2844) And you were not at the western's side/direction when We completed/informed to Moses the matter/affair/order/command, and you were not from the witnessing(alshshahideena).
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SaLaM Saladin
Surely, those who have rejected the Reminder when it came to them; and it is an Honourable Scripture.
The Quran refers to itself has 'kitabul aziz' / honourable book.
salam .
i agree with you . i was only asking idolfree his opinion about what Quran says about itself. -
Peace be upon you ,
(4141) Surely those who rejected with the reminder when (it) came to them, and surely it is glorious/honorable Universal Law(kitaab).
WHen someone tells you not to smoke because it destroys your lungs, dont reject universal law. Or when they tell you to treat others kindly, don reject universal law.
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What according to u, is the book traditionally called 'Quran', containing 114 chapters?
If it is verifyable truth, then it is the God's word. I am finiding it to be the God's word, written through man of course.
u r saying that every verifiable truth is God's word ?