Crucial age of 40
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i quote from http//rationalreality.50webs.com/sci.htm
" The Koran mentions that a human being reaches full maturity at age forty (Koran 4615). This is a very unusual statement. Even today most people accept that full maturity is reached at puberty and laws usually put it between 18 to 21. However, the Koran is scientifically correct where even modern laws are inaccurate. If we analyze the statement based on psychological tests conducted by scientisits, what we find is that the "overall quantity of stored knowledge in the mind of an individual reaches a peak at age thirty-nine and after that it gradually declines." Arthur C. Guyton, in his standard textbook on physiology, Physiology of the Human Body( 6th ed, pg.207), states this. Guyton's book is used as a standard text in at many pre-medical schools around the world. "
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Salam bro Saladin,
i quote from http//rationalreality.50webs.com/sci.htm
" The Koran mentions that a human being reaches full maturity at age forty (Koran 4615). This is a very unusual statement. Even today most people accept that full maturity is reached at puberty and laws usually put it between 18 to 21. However, the Koran is scientifically correct where even modern laws are inaccurate. If we analyze the statement based on psychological tests conducted by scientisits, what we find is that the "overall quantity of stored knowledge in the mind of an individual reaches a peak at age thirty-nine and after that it gradually declines." Arthur C. Guyton, in his standard textbook on physiology, Physiology of the Human Body( 6th ed, pg.207), states this. Guyton's book is used as a standard text in at many pre-medical schools around the world. "
JK- Exactly! GOD Bless!
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Salaamun alaikum,
Nowhere does al-quraan say anything about 40 being the start of ACCOUNTABILITY though.
Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for whats your hearts have earned; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing
(2/225)So the heart is the pivotal point as to what is being judged or not. If a person knows in his heart something is wrong, but goes ahead anyway, then he will earn a wrong.
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Salam bro Saladin,
i quote from http//rationalreality.50webs.com/sci.htm
" The Koran mentions that a human being reaches full maturity at age forty (Koran 4615). This is a very unusual statement. Even today most people accept that full maturity is reached at puberty and laws usually put it between 18 to 21. However, the Koran is scientifically correct where even modern laws are inaccurate. If we analyze the statement based on psychological tests conducted by scientisits, what we find is that the "overall quantity of stored knowledge in the mind of an individual reaches a peak at age thirty-nine and after that it gradually declines." Arthur C. Guyton, in his standard textbook on physiology, Physiology of the Human Body( 6th ed, pg.207), states this. Guyton's book is used as a standard text in at many pre-medical schools around the world. "
JK- Exactly! GOD Bless!
salam bro Jonny_K .
but i m not saying that anyone dying before 40 will go to heaven . since Quran doesnt say any such thing . also because u see in the quote above that the overall quantity of stored knowledge in the mind gradually declines after 40 . if we take the age of 40th year as the age of accontibility ,that would mean that anyone dying BEFORE or AFTER 40 will be going to heaven . -
1141 He said "Climb inside, in the name of God shall be its sailing and its anchorage. My Lord is Forgiving, Merciful."
1142 And while it was running with them in waves like mountains, Noah called to HIS SON, who was in an isolated place "My son, ride with us, and do not be with the rejecters!"
1143 He said "I will take refuge to the mountain which will save me from the water." He said "There is no saviour from God's decree except to whom He grants mercy." And the wave came between them, so he was one of those who drowned.
1144 And it was said "O land, swallow your water, and O sky, cease." And the water was diminished, and the matter concluded. And it came to rest on the Judi, and it was said "Away with the wicked people."
1145 And Noah called on his Lord, and he said "My Lord, my SON is from my family, and your promise is the truth, and you are the Wisest of all Judges."
1146 He said "O Noah, he is not from your family, he was fathered illicitly, so do not ask what you have no knowledge of. I advise you not to be of the ignorant."
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salam saladin
we don't know noah son's age but HE is probably UNDER the age of 40 and the ayat describe him among the wicked.
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Salam born_again,
salam saladin
we don't know noah son's age but HE is probably UNDER the age of 40 and the ayat describe him among the wicked.
JK- What makes you think that? Noah lived for 950 years according to the Quran so what made you conclude that his would be under 40? GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
We are going in the wrong direction.
The age of 40 being the age of strength is verified psychologically , assuming the person lives a healthy lifestyle.
The real debate is about if someone "goes to heaven" before 40 years of age. Again, the alleged criteria is that people before 40 are not responsible, but SENIOR CITIZENS are exactly the same way, so where is the MAXIMUM age of responsibility? This destroys the concept of "going to heaven" by Rashad.
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Salam idolfree,
Peace be upon you,
We are going in the wrong direction.
The age of 40 being the age of strength is verified psychologically , assuming the person lives a healthy lifestyle.
The real debate is about if someone "goes to heaven" before 40 years of age. Again, the alleged criteria is that people before 40 are not responsible, but SENIOR CITIZENS are exactly the same way, so where is the MAXIMUM age of responsibility? This destroys the concept of "going to heaven" by Rashad.
JK- No theyr NOT FULLY responsible as their knowledge of the world has npt yet reached that ceratin level which GOD has set so it would be unfair if that person would go to hell BUT dont forget that paradise has DIFFERENT LEVELS/RANKS too. GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you Jonny K,
I am confused about your answer. Do you agree or disagree with what I said?
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JK- What makes you think that? Noah lived for 950 years according to the Quran so what made you conclude that his would be under 40? GOD Bless!
Then historic people were unlucky! We are given like half of our life to go directly to heaven (lol) and they had a waaay less chance than us.
What a pity.
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Peace be upon you Born Again,
Amazing isnt it?
We have to let this literal stuff go and get the lessons.
950 years? Come on now yawn
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Salam idolfree,
Peace be upon you,
We are going in the wrong direction.
The age of 40 being the age of strength is verified psychologically , assuming the person lives a healthy lifestyle.
The real debate is about if someone "goes to heaven" before 40 years of age. Again, the alleged criteria is that people before 40 are not responsible, but SENIOR CITIZENS are exactly the same way, so where is the MAXIMUM age of responsibility? This destroys the concept of "going to heaven" by Rashad.
JK- No theyr NOT FULLY responsible as their knowledge of the world has npt yet reached that ceratin level which GOD has set so it would be unfair if that person would go to hell BUT dont forget that paradise has DIFFERENT LEVELS/RANKS too. GOD Bless!
salam jonny_k .
their knowledge of the world declines from that certain level AFTER the age of 40 also . so if a person dies after the age of 40 , say at 43, it would still be unfair if that person would go to hell . that means that only if he dies in the 40th year , he will go to hell .thats one reason why this understanding is not correct .
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Salam idolfree,
Peace be upon you Jonny K,
I am confused about your answer. Do you agree or disagree with what I said?
JK- I dont fully agree with you. As i said if one doesnt have enough wisdom as yet and is not yet fully mature he cannot be thrown in to hell but would be subjected to lighter punishment. Thats what i meant. GOD Bless!
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Salam Saladin,
salam jonny_k .
their knowledge of the world declines from that certain level AFTER the age of 40 also . so if a person dies after the age of 40 , say at 43, it would still be unfair if that person would go to hell . that means that only if he dies in the 40th year , he will go to hell .thats one reason why this understanding is not correct .
JK. Good point but we must not forget that then the person had had the chance to repent and didnt make use of it, thus it's over and also the wisdom does NOT decline after 40 but continues to increase. Consider the following example. A person is jailed for a crime and gets a bonus that after two years a psychologist would come in to test him and if his behaviour is found appropriate he would be released. Now if he doesnt better himself on time it wont matter if he does so afterwards EVEN IF HE GETS WEAKER OR COMPLETELY INNOCENT, he would still have to suffer the consequences. Hence the saing "Repent on time!". GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you,
We are going in the wrong direction.
The age of 40 being the age of strength is verified psychologically , assuming the person lives a healthy lifestyle.
The real debate is about if someone "goes to heaven" before 40 years of age. Again, the alleged criteria is that people before 40 are not responsible, but SENIOR CITIZENS are exactly the same way, so where is the MAXIMUM age of responsibility? This destroys the concept of "going to heaven" by Rashad.
Peace Kyle,
I think your argument is flawed.
Say we have a motorcar that gets to 400 km/h at its 'peak' and thereafter loses that ability so that it can only crawl along in its old age.
Does that mean it never reached 400 km/h?
People who get to 40 and then 'decline' into being "SENIOR CITIZENS" have had the opportunity to believe what they believe - the senescence doesn't invalidate the test they've undertaken before that.
Rashad's argument was that at 40, people have had the full opportunity to examine for themselves the 'book' (universe and its signs) and make a decision based on it.
Believing at the eleventh hour doesn't work as we know from Pharaoh's example.
Regards.
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Salam Truth,
Peace Kyle,
I think your argument is flawed.
Say we have a motorcar that gets to 400 km/h at its 'peak' and thereafter loses that ability so that it can only crawl along in its old age.
Does that mean it never reached 400 km/h?
People who get to 40 and then 'decline' into being "SENIOR CITIZENS" have had the opportunity to believe what they believe - the senescence doesn't invalidate the test they've undertaken before that.
Rashad's argument was that at 40, people have had the full opportunity to examine for themselves the 'book' (universe and its signs) and make a decision based on it.
Believing at the eleventh hour doesn't work as we know from Pharaoh's example.
Regards.
JK- Exactly! GOD Bless!
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salam saladin
we don't know noah son's age but HE is probably UNDER the age of 40 and the ayat describe him among the wicked.
Peace
good point I was actually going to post Noah's son story but you did it, thanks, also Able and Cane may also be another example of good and bad young men
I agree with whoever does not accept that 40 is the age of accountability because there is no such fact in the Quran
peace be with all