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TO ALL EVOLUTIONISTS ON THE FORUM!

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    Tay
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    Peace Jonny,

    I watched the video and was surprised to find Dr. Khalifa state in bold letters, "Most of Darwin's Theory is Correct, Except for the Origin of Life". This happens to be what I've been arguing all along, and what you seemed to disagree with.

    Please clarify if I'm wrong.

    Peace,
    Tay

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      truth
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      jonny_K

      I like the video. I got a PhD in Biochemisty and Molecular Biology, but saidly when people do not listen they do not, whatever you say. I have asked those evolutionist out there, regarding how the genome is reprogrammed, and no body has given me any reply, apart from mutations and RNA editing. Which is rubbish! I am asking again How is the DNA reprogrammed, if evolution has to take control? If by any "chance" according to evolution, some of my DNA get reprogrammed which will, say e.g. will give me another enzyme to digest plastic---how will this be passed on to my next generation?

      Peace bmbmm,

      The nature of "mutations" are a little confusing. I find it more plausible that these occur in the germ cells - ie. sperm/ova and produce offspring that are different from the parent. That's how a mutation is passed on; your DNA mutating cannot get to your offspring as you note.

      We know this occurs because down's syndrome and other diseases can occur as random mutations in the germ cells/embryo.

      In the cases that we are able to discover - ie. when disease is caused this is 'deleterious' but the beneficial mutations may not be so easily detected if at all. An enhancement would likely be undetected because such tests/screening does not happen.

      Also one must remember that a very significant number of pregnancies are spontaneously aborted due to changes incompatible with life. These mutations are obviously deleterious.

      But going by statistics, can you not allow for the fact that just as there are deleterious mutations as we know from spontaneuos abortions and genetic diseases - that there would be beneficial mutations which are by their nature undetected?

      These would confer an advantage to the offspring that are so affected; being passed on and selected as time passes on.

      Regards.

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        Andya_Primanda
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        salaam all

        What are we trying to prove or disprove regarding evolution. I am afraid I am struggling to understand the purpose here-any clarifications would be appreciated.
        regards

        My question also. It seems that Khizar has a major grudge against evolution while nobody in this forum raises the topic. It's not like we advocate evolution here or anything...

        Khizar, please answer. Why do you keep raising the evolution topic here?

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          Andya_Primanda
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          jonny_K

          I like the video. I got a PhD in Biochemisty and Molecular Biology, but saidly when people do not listen they do not, whatever you say. I have asked those evolutionist out there, regarding how the genome is reprogrammed, and no body has given me any reply, apart from mutations and RNA editing. Which is rubbish! I am asking again How is the DNA reprogrammed, if evolution has to take control? If by any "chance" according to evolution, some of my DNA get reprogrammed which will, say e.g. will give me another enzyme to digest plastic---how will this be passed on to my next generation?

          If the mutation happens to be included in the DNA in your reproductive cells, then your offspring, which is the product of your reproductive cells, will have that mutation too. Hey, you're a PhD, you should know basic reproductive biology!

          PS I'm not sure if there's any plastic digesters out there, but nylon-digesting enzymes have been known to evolve in bacteria.

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            peace everyone,

            i dont trust this guy. and yes, i havn't watched the video. I will, though. But the reason i don't trust this guy Rashad Khalifa (regardless of the code 19 thing) is that he is looking at evolution from a religious point of view. He won't be willing to accept, even for a second, that evolution exists because to him, those are God's words. And God can't be wrong, can he?
            But maybe he is right. And "right" here means fairly accurate. No one can know the absolute truth. He maybe close, but he has no scientific experiments, evidence, and more importantly reputation to prove he's right.
            I'll give you more of my thoughts after I watch the video.
            And about God's hand in evolution, i think it was all God's plan. Nothing that happened was coincidence. It was fate. Every little thing that happened that had a very very very small chance of happening happened because it was fate.

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              well, i watched the video, and i have come to the conclusion that Dr. Rashad Khalifa has (or had) and IQ of 48. Some would call that mentally retarded.

              About the probability thing, the "zero" he was talking about wasn't even a zero. The chance of something happening might be small, but it can happen. For example, if I had the 84 cubes he was talking about. And I toss them up in the air hoping for them to land in a 1-84 combination, I can get it the very first time. Even the second, third, fourth time. In fact, I could keep getting the same combination for the rest of my life. Its very very very very very very very unlikely but its possible (the key word here is possible).

              He even admits during the video that evolution exists. No matter what explanation he gives after that, he admitted it.

              About modifying darwin's theory, every theory keeps getting modified. Nothing in science is absolute (just like that zero). There's always error, because we're human. But scientists work to reduce that error and make theories as accurate as possible.
              In fact, in terms of accuracy, the string theory is much farther from the truth than evolution. But people like khalifa have no problem with those theories.

              Also, theories are considered facts. Because they have been tested. And have evidence supporting them. You don't test a theory, you test a hypothesis that becomes a theory or law. And creationism is not even a hypothesis because its based on ignorance.

              ignorance of what? well, ignorance of all the evidence that shouts "evolution!" What about all the fossils all the scientists have found? All the different species of every living thing. If God just wanted to create humans, why did he create everything else? why all the different types of apples? why all the different types of humans, even? why make us so complicated? why couldn't we just run on magic instead of chemical reactions and electron transport chains?
              God "perfected" us. If we were as we are from the beginning, how did God perfect us? perfecting something is only possible if something isn't perfect. The whole point of evolution is for us to see all the things that are capable under God's might. Everything is possible if God wants. Even the smallest zeros can seem big if God wants. That's why evolution exists.

              And where's his document from outer space? I can't believe he thinks God lives somewhere in space.
              That's the problem with people like him. They personify God.

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