The principles of faith in the Quran
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Nope, it has been certified that its you, and that must be shocking, I agree.
cool I have actualy more than two mouths that is why I thought it is you, the probelm is I can't show you the variety I have while we are on a cencored forum
how about you join me on a neutral forum where we can say what we want hence i will prove to you that I have more that two mouths unlike you with only two
please let me know and let's rock and roll, i need new casts for my movies, your cooperation will be appreciated lol
Take your fanciful variety alongwith your freaky two-mouths or more where it belongs. I'm positive others like you are resident there and soon more will follow. I'm sure your moby-dick movie will be a hit amongst you.
I wonder how did you see the moby movie when it was offline before I joined here?
in case it was coincidence and due to your love to moby I have released the movie again as a special preview to you, 6.5 MB in all, be patient danish and enjoy
http//www.libertyunites.us/ftopic-14938-0.html
peace
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Danish History and ah yes, NATURE has shown enough evidences amongst disgruntled yet highly skilled and influential linguists. I mean the fatwa driven professionals.
This cannot be so because al-quraan has no word for nature. Nature doesn't offer anything in itself. It's Allah who sends down ayaat/signs in His Creation.
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Hi everyone,
Brother AhmadBahgat,
Do not stop at things that you lack knowledge in
I can interpret that to mean "Do not dwell in things that you lack knowledge in."
Because "stopping at a thing" can mean - to me - to make it a "resting place", where you stop to dwell.
The case would be quite different if it said "Do not stop doing things you lack knowledge in". That would be unacceptable.
I hope You got what I meant. Both translations can be interpret the same way.
Nadeem.
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Hi everyone,
Brother AhmadBahgat,
Do not stop at things that you lack knowledge in
I can interpret that to mean "Do not dwell in things that you lack knowledge in."
Because "stopping at a thing" can mean - to me - to make it a "resting place", where you stop to dwell.
sounds reasonable to me bro
The case would be quite different if it said "Do not stop doing things you lack knowledge in". That would be unacceptable.
sure but I did not include the words "doing things"
i meant "do not stop at things in which you lack knowledge"
or do not stand at things in which you lack knoweldge"
both are accpetable and in the arabic world it is a known metaphor for arguing without having the knowledge, what is wrong with that?
I hope You got what I meant. Both translations can be interpret the same way.
Nadeem.
Yeh man
peace be with you bro
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ABi meant "do not stop at things in which you lack knowledge"
To me, this doesnt make any sense because 17/36 ends by saying all things will be questioned. If God's telling you not to stop, why would he tell you that'd it would be questioned at all.
Saying 'do not follow' makes sense because you commit yourself to anything you follow and therefore, you should be questioned for it.
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ABi meant "do not stop at things in which you lack knowledge"
To me, this doesnt make any sense because 17/36 ends by saying all things will be questioned. If God's telling you not to stop, why would he tell you that'd it would be questioned at all.
Saying 'do not follow' makes sense because you commit yourself to anything you follow and therefore, you should be questioned for it.
Do not speak without Knowledge
Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that IbnAbbas said "This means) do not say (anything of which you have no knowledge).'' Al-Awfi said "Do not accuse anyone of that of which you have no knowledge.'' Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiyyah said "It means bearing false witness.'' Qatadah said "Do not say,I have seen', when you did not see anything, orI have heard', when you did not hear anything, orI know', when you do not know, for Allah will ask you about all of that.'' In conclusion, what they said means that Allah forbids speaking without knowledge and only on the basis of suspicion, which is mere imagination and illusions.Taken from
http//www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=29022
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in case it was coincidence and due to your love to moby I have released the movie again as a special preview to you, 6.5 MB in all, be patient danish and enjoy
http//www.libertyunites.us/ftopic-14938-0.html
I must confess that while the java and music effects were awesome, the entire message, epiloque and moral quandary of the video gives a negative image portrayed towards the Arab Religion, which is what it is. In effect, islam (system of GOD) calls for peace, reason and righteousness; not sending out messages for war, hatred, resentment, killing, displaying evil characters and so forth wrapped in a flowery discourse. Very typical of you.
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I must confess that while the java and music effects were awesome,
Thanks it was my first flash movie BTW it was done on april and since then I have done about 300 movies lol
the entire message, epiloque and moral quandary of the video gives a negative image portrayed towards the Arab Religion, which is what it is.
and what is the arab religion?
In effect, islam (system of GOD) calls for peace, reason and righteousness; not sending out messages for war, hatred, resentment, killing, displaying evil characters and so forth wrapped in a flowery discourse. Very typical of you.
Haha, read the Quran again if you can, anyone on earth regardless who he/she is, if they will act in opposition to Islam by promoting documented lies, fabrictaions, hatred and violence agains Islam, Muslims, Mohammad and the Quran, they must be dealt with according to the Quran
verbal harm to the religion = verbal defence "even if in public"
physical harm = physical defence "even if it will be murder"
that is what the Quran says not me, however it makes great sense to me
now try to be a real muslim following the Quran before you too promote unfounded lies about the Quran
the Quran only promotes peace with the enemy of God if they stop their aggression and seek peace, they are the perpetrators not me, and it is my duty to stand firm, never grief in front of the enemies of my religion who do not want peace from the first place, believers have the upper hand according to the Quran
I advice you to read the Quran, it seems you have not read it
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Hey Danish
Let me prove to you that you are wrong, you see my message was strong tough and dirty in response to their consistant dirt, those 7 were respected for weeks and I tried to dialogue with them until proven beyond doubt that they are facilitating the net to spread documented crap about Islam, Muslims, Mohammad and the Quran, on a daily basis zillions of posts attacking Islam were posted.
For months I kept the pressure consistant on them untill they were demolished
Starjade, left
Piscohot, hardly comes now
Lion, hardly seen
Rotaiva, left and came back under another name and left again
Iris, only talks about christianity now, she can't dare to promote lies again about Mohammad, she posts freely on my forum every day promoting christianity and I have no problem with that, only if she starts lying about Islam, she must be stopped according to the Quran.
Pride of England, left then came under another name then left again
Mughal, left and forgotten
No question I succeeded in stopping the crap about Islam on an anti islam forum, in fact that forum has the full Quran online as well, which was added after respect to Islam and the Quran was gained by many non muslims including the devote christian site owner, in addition I was offered an Islamic forum on an anti Islam forum, and i consider this great achievment
See, I achieved my objective and now you will hardly see any post on that web site talking ill about Islam, Muslims, Mohammad or the Quran
I careless that I was dirty, because I was dealing with more dirtier humans from the first place and I won over all of them with the help of Allah, He knows for certain why I have to resort to these effective methods
I'm not a typical muslim, sorry, for you, you may choose the way you want to be as I did
Thanks
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Haha, read the Quran again if you can, anyone on earth regardless who he/she is, if they will act in opposition to Islam by promoting documented lies, fabrictaions, hatred and violence agains Islam, Muslims, Mohammad and the Quran, they must be dealt with according to the Quran
verbal harm to the religion = verbal defence "even if in public"
physical harm = physical defence "even if it will be murder"
that is what the Quran says not me, however it makes great sense to me
now try to be a real muslim following the Quran before you too promote unfounded lies about the Quran
There have always been people who mocked Quran, Islam, Allah since the time of Prophet Mohammed.
Where does Quran tell believers to verbally or physically abuse those, who mock Quran and Allah's signs?
These are specific verses where Allah tells us to ignore them.
Allah will punish those who mock, on the day of Judgement.2563 And the servants of ((Allah)) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";
2855 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant."
668 When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
4140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell
And here are some more verses telling believers to be righteous, patient and to exercise self control
3134 Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;-
4134 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!
4135 And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,- none but persons of the greatest good fortune.
317 Those who show patience, Firmness and self-control; who are true (in word and deed); who worship devoutly; who spend (in the way of Allah.; and who pray for forgiveness in the early hours of the morning.
Peace!
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Peace
first of all the attacks on Islam do not have to be physicsl, there is also a verbal attack, that verbal attack is documented on the virtual world, do you agree that they attack our religion verbly to degrade it and turn people away from it?
if you agree then read"
8- "Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. "
9- "Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust."
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190- "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. "
191- "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. "
192- "But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. "
193- "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. "
(190)
(191)
(192)
(193)
"Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak."
(76)
See, if others attack our religion then they must be attacked
verbal = verbal
physical = physical
I can't deny though that there are many calling themsleves muslims "typical muslims", and since the interent blossomed and the enemy of Islam realized how it can be deployed easy to hurt Isalm, those typical muslims don't give a fluke about what is going on to Islam, yep they adapted the feel good religoin concept and left defen ding the religion to God.
well I'm not one of those typical muslims and I will fight any human who dares to attack the religoin of Allah , according to the Quran
would you like to see more verses?
peace
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
first of all the attacks on Islam do not have to be physicsl, there is also a verbal attack, that verbal attack is documented on the virtual world, do you agree that they attack our religion verbly to degrade it and turn people away from it?
Can u tell me, Isn't Allah talking of how believers should deal with such verbal attacks and ridiculing, in the following verses? Isn't Allah telling us to ignore them and walk away from them, if they mock Allah'signs?
2563 And the servants of ((Allah)) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";
2855 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant."
668 When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
4140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell
Peace!
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
first of all the attacks on Islam do not have to be physicsl, there is also a verbal attack, that verbal attack is documented on the virtual world, do you agree that they attack our religion verbly to degrade it and turn people away from it?
Can u tell me, Isn't Allah talking of how believers should deal with such verbal attacks and ridiculing, in the following verses? Isn't Allah telling us to ignore them and walk away from them, if they mock Allah'signs?
2563 And the servants of ((Allah)) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";
2855 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant."
668 When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
4140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell
Peace!
Peace
I'm sorry it seems you are considering personal attacks is the same as the deen attacks
they are different and Allah diffrentiated between the two, the verses you posted does not mention anything about hostility agains the deen so i will consider it personal attacks and I will abide with it, you see I have no problem with personal attacks but deen attacks is the problem and should be dealt with firmly according to the Quran
also 4140 668, are talking about making fun on the religion, it can even happen by some muslims, it does not mean deen attack seeking deen harm and discord
and why you are not answering the verses that I posted and are relevent to attacking the deen seeking discord between the muslims? as well defaming the prophet, showing the Quran as a book of lies etc, etc, you see all relates to the religion
but if someone told me I'm a son of whatever and my religion is crap verbally, I'm will be happy to forgive and leave, see the difference? the internet is the difference if you can't see it
peace
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Hey Danish
Let me prove to you that you are wrong, you see my message was strong tough and dirty in response to their consistant dirt, those 7 were respected for weeks and I tried to dialogue with them until proven beyond doubt that they are facilitating the net to spread documented crap about Islam, Muslims, Mohammad and the Quran, on a daily basis zillions of posts attacking Islam were posted.
For months I kept the pressure consistant on them untill they were demolished
Starjade, left
Piscohot, hardly comes now
Lion, hardly seen
Rotaiva, left and came back under another name and left again
Iris, only talks about christianity now, she can't dare to promote lies again about Mohammad, she posts freely on my forum every day promoting christianity and I have no problem with that, only if she starts lying about Islam, she must be stopped according to the Quran.
Pride of England, left then came under another name then left again
Mughal, left and forgotten
No question I succeeded in stopping the crap about Islam on an anti islam forum, in fact that forum has the full Quran online as well, which was added after respect to Islam and the Quran was gained by many non muslims including the devote christian site owner, in addition I was offered an Islamic forum on an anti Islam forum, and i consider this great achievment
See, I achieved my objective and now you will hardly see any post on that web site talking ill about Islam, Muslims, Mohammad or the Quran
I careless that I was dirty, because I was dealing with more dirtier humans from the first place and I won over all of them with the help of Allah, He knows for certain why I have to resort to these effective methods
I'm not a typical muslim, sorry, for you, you may choose the way you want to be as I did
Thanks
In order to support your religion via agressive attitude and behavior, then you'd be better off exhausting every breadth out of your lungs at faithfreedom.org. I'll guarantee you that you'll be huffing and puffing in no time.
Now, as far as the idol-worshipping Arab Religion with its bifurcated Sunni/Shia dogmatic mainframes vs Islam as a system of GOD for all mankind is concerned, I recommend you to read, study and reflect on what is presented at www.adidsafar.com in its entirety.
BTW and FYI, I am not a religionist and you'll soon find out or perhaps already have, that majority over here are not.
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In order to support your religion via agressive attitude and behavior, then you'd be better off exhausting every breadth out of your lungs at faithfreedom.org. I'll guarantee you that you'll be huffing and puffing in no time.
well I'm not talking about F M i'm talking about L U, you see every place has rules and I'm sort of a multi tasking kind of guy
regrding haffing and puffing, i reckon I should quit somking and I should be alright in here, ture that postings makes smoke more wink
Now, as far as the idol-worshipping Arab Religion with its bifurcated Sunni/Shia dogmatic mainframes vs Islam as a system of GOD for all mankind is concerned, I recommend you to read, study and reflect on what is presented at www.adidsafar.com in its entirety.
I will have a look, however I never followed any sect in my life lol i donlt even follow any Mazhab lol
BTW and FYI, I am not a religionist and you'll soon find out or perhaps already have, that majority over here are not.
and don't think I'm a religion preacher either, I'm just a free man and I enjoy and appreciate my freedom that Islam gave it to me
peace
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Hi Ahmed Bahgat,
I'm sorry it seems you are considering personal attacks is the same as the deen attacks
Where in these verses is mentioned, personal attacks?
2855 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant."
668 When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
It says 'vain talk' which means useless talk. It can include mocking Quran, mocking Allah. Allah tells the believers to say 'peace' and walk away.
they are different and Allah diffrentiated between the two, the verses you posted does not mention anything about hostility agains the deen so i will consider it personal attacks
Where does it say 'personal attacks'?
It says vain talk. And Allah has told in the Quran many number of times, that He will punish those who mock Him, on the day of judgement. Please show verse from Quran where Allah tells us to use verbal offensive pornographic abuses against a person who verbally mocks Allah or Quran.and I will abide with it, you see I have no problem with personal attacks but deen attacks is the problem and should be dealt with firmly according to the Quran
show me a verse from Quran which says so
also 4140 668, are talking about making fun on the religion, it can even happen by some muslims, it does not mean deen attack seeking deen harm and discord
4140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell
The verse clearly is talking about people who mock signs of Allah. If that's not deen, what is? Allah is telling believers, to walk away from such people. He doesnt tell us to sit with them and mock them instead.
and why you are not answering the verses that I posted and are relevent to attacking the deen seeking discord between the muslims? as well defaming the prophet, showing the Quran as a book of lies etc, etc, you see all relates to the religion
608 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them for Allah loveth those who are just.
Allah is telling us to not fight physically(as in war) with those who do not fight u or drive u out of ur homes, merely becoz of the religion u follow.
609 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
Allah is telling us to fight those who fight u(wage war) or drive u out of ur home. These are physical events. These are not instructions for verbal mockery/attcks/ridiculing. There are specific instructions on how to deal with those, in the verses, I have quoted above. There is definitely a difference between people fighting u physically trying to kill u & ur family, and those verbally mocking u or the religion.
2190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
2194 The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.The instructions here are specific to fighing physically i.e waging war.
These verses are not talking of fighting people who mock ur religion. They are mentioned in other verses.but if someone told me I'm a son of whatever and my religion is crap verbally, I'm will be happy to forgive and leave, see the difference? the internet is the difference if you can't see it
No where in Quran does Allah tell believers to use offensive verbal pornographic abuses at people who mock Quran or Allah.
Allah tells us to walk away from the ignorant, saying 'peace'.Peace!
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Hi Ahmed Bahgat,
Hello mate
I'm sorry it seems you are considering personal attacks is the same as the deen attacks
Where in these verses is mentioned, personal attacks?
2855 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant."
668 When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
It says 'vain talk' which means useless talk. It can include mocking Quran, mocking Allah. Allah tells the believers to say 'peace' and walk away.
Yep, attacking the religion to defame it and weaken it IS NOT A USELESS TALK TO ME
Mocking for me is not defaming and promoting documented lies about the prophet and the Quran to defame Islam and weaken the Muslims, can?t you get it?
they are different and Allah diffrentiated between the two, the verses you posted does not mention anything about hostility agains the deen so i will consider it personal attacks
Where does it say 'personal attacks'?
It says vain talk. And Allah has told in the Quran many number of times, that He will punish those who mock Him, on the day of judgement. Please show verse from Quran where Allah tells us to use verbal offensive pornographic abuses against a person who verbally mocks Allah or Quran.The verses do not say ?ATTACKING US BECAUSE OF THE DEEN ?
Here is what you asked for
(14?Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech unless (it be) by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.?
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Can you understand it peacefulmulsim or you want me to explain it to you?
Now the Quran also warned us not to show weakness in front of the enemy of Islam like the ones who document crap about Islam, Mohammad, his wives, the Quran and the Muslims on the internet, here the verse
"And be not infirm, and be not grieving, and you shall have the upper hand if you are believers. "
(139)
And finally the Quran issued the same warning of not showing weakness to our enemy as well it warned us not to seek peace with them because Muslims have the upper hand always
"And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught. "
(35)
I also showed you the ones that talk about attacking us BECAUSE OF THE DEEN, but you just want to turn a blind eye on it, I WON?T so here we go again
8- "Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. "
9- "Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust
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190- "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. "
191- "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. "
192- "But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. "
193- "And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. "
(190)
(191)
(192)
(193)
"Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak."
(76)
See, if others attack our religion ?in a documented manner? then they must be attacked similarly
Documented Verbal Attack = Documented Verbal Attack , if you want to break it up to sub categories to define it further, be my guest, as I won?t, hence Documented Verbal = Documented Verbal for me and I don?t expect that the Attack by the defender should equal the attack by the perpetrator as and the best methods of defence is to attack
For example of some one told me I?m a donkey, it does not have to be that I respond exactly the same and tell him you are the donkey, possibly I may tell him that you are a donkey son of a donkey, see, I?m sure all humans does that, I?m not unique here, but what you see in me that I?m very practical and don?t follow the delusional peace if it is proven to me that those perpetrators are real enemy of islam
and I will abide with it, you see I have no problem with personal attacks but deen attacks is the problem and should be dealt with firmly according to the Quran
show me a verse from Quran which says so
well anything that does NOT have the objective of WEAKENING ISLAM BY LIES, FABRICATIONS AND DECEPTION, I will consider it personal attack, even mocking the religion just for fun is a personal attack not to weaken it and I posted enough verses but it seems you chose the concept of ?fee good religion?
but let me tell you, Islam is all about struggling
struggling with the self
struggling with the enemy of God (including the confused Muslims like the terrorists and the others who say nonsense about Allah to promote it between others who don?t know)
also 4140 668, are talking about making fun on the religion, it can even happen by some muslims, it does not mean deen attack seeking deen harm and discord
4140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell
The verse clearly is talking about people who mock signs of Allah. If that's not deen, what is? Allah is telling believers, to walk away from such people. He doesnt tell us to sit with them and mock them instead.
no you are wrong 100% because it says the following in Arabic
(140)
-> obviously it sounds like warning the believers that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in Kofr (shirk) and ridicule (make fun of it) we should leave their company.
-> Now sister, please tell me, did I ever SIT with them then they started making fun on the signs of Allah seeking Kofr?, NO I DID NOT, because I will not sit with THE ENEMY OF ISLAM unless there is a peace talk with them, NOT A STRUGLLE WITH THEM
See how you got it mixed up, the verse is talking about a group of people who know each other and they are having a gathering together, some of them maybe unbelievers and they may start making fun of the believers on how they can believe in non sense of signs, we were told to leave their company, BUT WE WERE ALSO TOLD IN THE SAME VERSE THAT YOU DON?T UNDERSTAND, to come back and sit with them if they stop that ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme, ie. THEY ARE NOT ENEMIES OF THE DEEN and it was not in their objective to weaken the religion, and also it sound all verbal NOT DONCUMENTED
HOW ON EARTH YOU CAN NOT SEE THAT?
and why you are not answering the verses that I posted and are relevent to attacking the deen seeking discord between the muslims? as well defaming the prophet, showing the Quran as a book of lies etc, etc, you see all relates to the religion
608 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them for Allah loveth those who are just.
Allah is telling us to not fight physically(as in war) with those who do not fight u or drive u out of ur homes, merely becoz of the religion u follow.
The verse says that Allah does not forbid to fight the following
- who fight us in the deen
- who drive us out of our homes
the documented Internet attack is classified under point 1, it is just there was no internet there and for me the documented crap they post on public forum to defame and weaken Islam is enough to consider them under category 1 above
609 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
Allah is telling us to fight those who fight u(wage war) or drive u out of ur home. These are physical events. These are not instructions for verbal mockery/attcks/ridiculing. There are specific instructions on how to deal with those, in the verses, I have quoted above. There is definitely a difference between people fighting u physically trying to kill u & ur family, and those verbally mocking u or the religion.
2190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
2194 The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.The instructions here are specific to fighing physically i.e waging war.
These verses are not talking of fighting people who mock ur religion. They are mentioned in other verses.No because there also wars of words
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Verbal (not documented ) war of words
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Verbal ( documented) war of wards
Category 2 is far more dangerous than category 1 and will be easier to them achieving their objective of weakening and defaming the deen of Allah, because the material they put is available to the public in masses every day
How on earth can?t you see that? I know why, it is the Feel Good Religion Concept
but if someone told me I'm a son of whatever and my religion is crap verbally, I'm will be happy to forgive and leave, see the difference? the internet is the difference if you can't see it
No where in Quran does Allah tell believers to use offensive verbal pornographic abuses at people who mock Quran or Allah.
Allah tells us to walk away from the ignorant, saying 'peace'.As I said I?m not going to break the hurtful speech to categories of porno and others, I have explained to you before, but you are wrong to no where because we were allowed to use hurtful speech in public if unjust were forced on us here is the verse again and BTW it also cover PERSONAL ATTACKS
(14?Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech unless (it be) by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.?
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Peace!
Peace
NB this is my last comment regarding this subject with you
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Hi everyone,
Nadeem.
Hello Nadeem!
There are no such things as principles of faith in the Qur'an. However, it seems that you're suggestable to the number ten and you happen to like these guys so go for it. Just don't say there's a specific creed to the Qur'an.
hugs,
St?phane -
What's your disagreement with creeds, Stephane? Why are they unacceptable to you?
I think you got me all wrong. They aren't unacceptable, I have never said so.
However there are no implications of a compilation of creed(s) in the Qur'an, thus they speak all for themselves and not for the author(s) of the Qur'an.