Who Created God?

Elke

Peace all

wakas wrote
This "uncaused cause" is special, lying outwith the mould/law/creation, and this is commonly called "God".

problem is, thats exactly how far we get - or at least as far as i get.... I used to think that we would understand all this at "the end of times" but what if this is not the case brickwall

lk

unknownuser

Salam

The question is ok to ask, as long as sarcasm is not part of it, and as Joe showed the answer it seems to me that Allah knew that the Question will be raised by many so He answered it in the Qurtan, the whole sura 112 is the answer.

also what Leena stated is very logical to comprehend that the laws of life and death that were created by Allah can not be applied on Him because simply He created them

Peace

sawtooth

I think god was created with the first spark of energy. From that energy came everythig else. As that energy grew so did god. Now where that first spark of energy came from? Honestly that is not an answer I want to seek

bmbmm

Sawtooth,

What you say is interesting. So is God an energy you think?

Leena

Salam alaikum,

If God is energy that would mean a few things that I disagree with. First, that God was once weaker than He is now, or that His power has degrees of which He can grow to/from. That would mean that his power is not infinite and that He could be "weaker" and "stronger" than Himself at certain times.

Second, that He was created "by" a spark. You don't have to wonder about where the spark came from if you think that God was not the result of a spark, but God was the spark. God created energy, He can not, at the same time, be energy.

sawtooth

I believe the creator to be that energy that exists in all things. That energy that physisits cannot account for. When you add up all of creation, the total is greater then the sum. In that "extra", tied to all things, existing within us all and carried on beyond death, lies the creator. Without creation the creator dies. I don't see it as a energy that becomes more or less powerful, just energy transfered. With our growth (I am not talking of the human plane here) the creator grows WITHIN us

Leena

Salam,

I know you aren't Muslim, but the belief that "without creation, the creator dies" is unacceptable from an "Islamic" standpoint. It goes against the idea of an everlasting, eternal and actually not bound by time God. I suppose in your beliefs, God can die, but I dont believe that. -)

Unless you just mean that without a creation, God cannot be called "Creator" -- until he creates something.

Kind of like in math, a line has no beginning or end and is infinite. One might wonder "where does the line begin" but it actually doesn't. I think your idea is similar to a segment, with a definite beginning and end, and finite length. Right?

sawtooth

I don't believe the creator will ever die, as I don't believe the creation will ever disappear. I guess I should also say that I believe EVERYTHING that exist, both known and unknown, here and beyond our understanding out od our reach is all part of creation and all tied together. A giant chain of energy.
All is one and that one is the creator

bmbmm

Hi Sawtooh

You mean the creator is also part of his creation?

sawtooth

Yes. I guess that is the simplest way to put it. There is a bit more to it than that, but very hard to put into words. Kind of the tie that binds ALL things.

bmbmm

Is there any support of this in the Quran? I have thought about this, I also thought about where is the concept of God being ouside of his creation came from?

sawtooth

I have no idea, I don't get the whole holy book thing myself LOL