Where Do You Believe Hajj Is?
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mquran,
The working house? what is that?
salaam
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Peace Riz,
Yeah please explain!!!!!
Maria
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NoProgressive
believes that hajj is in Israel... of course most Muslims believe that hajj takes place in SAudi Arabia.
my dad actually takes people to SA for hajj, so it'd be like "wow all of that is just a lie" i guess... i dunno.
Anyways... where do u believe hajj is suppose to take place?
HAJJ take place in ones heart.
Israel or Saudia! how you pray! how to salat!
in physical form it doesnt matter but what matter is WHAT IS INSIDE YOUR HEART.most muslim pray 5 times, some 2 and some 3 times. The number of times doesnt matter WHAT MATTER HERE IS AGAIN WHAT IS INSIDE YOUR HEART
what is inside the heart has nothing to do with anyone except Allah. Whom am i or anyone to say, this is right, that is wrong.
If one is mature enough to come n mention at FM.org or any other place. I think hes mature enough to find the truth himself. That truth you pass to next generation. will they just follow ? NO they vil try to find the truth themselves.
What is the TRUTH ? The truth is inside your heart, in other words its your belief.
peace!
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FM.org has no stated views on anything specific like HJJ
More correctly, an article on FM.org makes a case for HJJ being in Israel, that is all.
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Hey guys,
I was referring to this verse in the Quran (396)
Transliteral "Inna awwala baytin wudiAAa lilnnasi lallathee bibakkata mubarakan wahudan lilAAalameena"
Literal "That (the) first House/Home was raised to the people, (is) which (E) (is) with (in) Bekka , blessed and guidance, to the creations altogether/(universes)."
Free-Minds "The first sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk'a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds."
Yusuf Ali "The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka"
Where is Bekka?
http//img380.imageshack.us/img380/4783/bekaa7uc.jpg
http//img358.imageshack.us/img358/5936/lebanone6kr.gif
http//img375.imageshack.us/img375/1951/lebanonrel20027hu.jpgThere were ancient towns there. According to this article even a Neolithic Era (c. 4000 - 2000 BC) town has been found in the area.
http//img358.imageshack.us/img358/7162/beqaaancienttowns2nn.gifThe Old Testament does place Abraham close to the area but never has him passing through it, probably cause it skips everything about Ishmael with whom Abraham raised from the foundations the shrine as detailed in the Quran. Nevertheless, this is much more believable than what Islamic tradition would have us believe about Abraham traveling about 800 miles out of the way with Ishmael. Here are two maps to compare. The first is where the Bible tracks Abraham and the second also includes where Muslim tradition places him.
http//img287.imageshack.us/img287/2987/abrahamsjourney3at.gif
http//img287.imageshack.us/img287/3443/mapneogeo8wc.jpgAnd here are some articles talking about why Mecca couldn't have been found by Abraham. Be careful though, the author is a bit venomous against Islam, nevertheless what he says cannot simply be disregarded for that reason.
http//religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/
edit added another map of Bakka
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Elke just to say that the net is part of the real world of today
I take the word 'real' to mean 'bil haqq'. Allah created the heavens and the earth 'bil haqq'. This is my reality. The internet can access the dimension of talk but not the 'real' world.
If I were to rephrase, I would say 'al-hajj happens in the physical world'. Perhaps that's more suitable.
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Peace all. I view hajj as meaning 'discussion'. The true discussion is an attempt to come to truth or reality,and overturn illusion or falsehood.
Marlboro;i agree,the hajj and salat are within your heart,when your heart connects with reality you can know what these processes should achieve.(universal love,tolerance,open-mindedness and wisdom.)
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"Blessed is the man whose strength is in you, in whose heart are the ways of them, who passing through the valley of Baca,
make it a well; the rain also fills the pools. They go from strength to strength?every one of them in Zion appears before God." Psalm 845-7Compare with Quran
396-97
The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beingsIn it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,-
those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.those who can afford the journey
those who can afford the journey
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i would like to see more quran quoting and less personal opinions,this is not right,we have to let allah guide us not ourselfs.
the holy city,that we suppost to make hajj in quran,is makkah ofcourse,thats why mohamed(pbuh) libareted it from idolatry,and now.its the house of allah! in isaiah in the bible,it says, a saint from paran will be followed by 10000 saints and will come to your house from mount paran and will bow down to you.
thats the taking of makkah,no doubt.
inshallah im going to get the proof later on. -
i would like to see more quran quoting and less personal opinions,this is not right,we have to let allah guide us not ourselfs.
the holy city,that we suppost to make hajj in quran,is makkah ofcourse,thats why mohamed(pbuh) libareted it from idolatry,and now.its the house of allah! in isaiah in the bible,it says, a saint from paran will be followed by 10000 saints and will come to your house from mount paran and will bow down to you.
thats the taking of makkah,no doubt.
inshallah im going to get the proof later on.As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.Yes, i agree, the Mecca is a city, an acutal city.
Muhammad liberated a city.As salamu alaykum.
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The Hajj is to Holy Sanctuaries that we build in the name of God for them to be central points of the Quranic community. The location doesn't matter, as long as they are built in the name of God. We are to tak the example of Abraham in this. As for when. I have a hunch for 3 months during winter and spring. Meanings starting from the winter solstice and lasting for 3 months. I think that surah 106 will be the proof for this decision once I find a suitable alternative translation for quraish, which can be the Quraish but which should also have a more universal meaning. It is is the duminutive of qarash or qarsh.
Godbless,
Anwar
