what in the devil's name is 666?
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peace Apple Pie,
You would be correct if everything in the quran and bible was literal. But, alas, its not.
Please show us how your reasoning applies to the example given in the three ayahs of sura 103... wink
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peace,
I think that surah simply states that the people who sin will be punished, except for those who believe and do good deeds. I don't think it means mankind as a whole is being punished because of the 'original sin.'
Believe in what....?
Good deeds based upon what....?
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Believe in God.
Which God...?
The God of the Holy Bible....from whence this sura was copied from...?
Or..
The god of the Koran who wrapped itself in Biblical deity?
Good deeds based on instinct and God's system.
The "good deeds" described in the Arabic of your book of faith apply to "The Truth"...which is Jesus in the Book of Revelation...and "allah" in your book of faith.
Which one do you ascribe to pleasing...?
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There's one God. People have different ideas about what God actually is, but it still remains only one God. And there's only one truth. And i hope you understand that this isnt about koran vs bible, this is about understanding the truth.
Can we count on you to support the Holy Bible, then....?
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Hi Apple Pie,
There's one God. People have different ideas about what God actually is, but it still remains only one God. And there's only one truth. And i hope you understand that this isnt about koran vs bible, this is about understanding the truth. )
Can we count on you to support the Holy Bible, then....?
R u from some christian missionary with a target number for conversions? U seem to be working real hard on that.
People out here know the Quran and the Bible. So, lets leave it to them to decide for themselves, shall we? Its ones personal wish and responsibility.
There is no need for preaching one's religion or mocking the other's religion.
Peace!
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Hi Apple Pie,
There's one God. People have different ideas about what God actually is, but it still remains only one God. And there's only one truth. And i hope you understand that this isnt about koran vs bible, this is about understanding the truth. )
Can we count on you to support the Holy Bible, then....?
R u from some christian missionary with a target number for conversions? U seem to be working real hard on that.
It's no trouble...
People out here know the Quran and the Bible.
Not likely....as we can see for ourselves...
So, lets leave it to them to decide for themselves, shall we? Its ones personal wish and responsibility.
There is no need for preaching one's religion or mocking the other's religion.
Who's mocking...?
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HI Apple pie,
There is no need for preaching one's religion or mocking the other's religion.
Who's mocking...?
Stand before a mirror and u shall see the person.
Peace!
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Peace,
There's perhaps one thing that Apple Pie has a fixation upon which they believe is some kind of irresistable refutation of the reading. And that is the allegation that the Koran is plagiarised.
The reality of the situation is probably better explained by way of parable. When painters paint, they all use canvas and paints with identical hues - does that mean they plagiarise from each other?
When there is a shared history, is a newer text going to deny the antecedent and come up with a brand new understanding?
Apple Pie has the following problems...
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He wishes the Koran was something quite different to what he believes in. That would make it easier to deny and dismiss. There would be sufficient difference that he could ignore it without guilt or worry in his heart.
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Failing this he uses the commonality of origins and congruity of themes as a reason to suppose plagiarism. The problem here is that the commonality should be the very reason he sees the truth in the newer but pure message of monotheism in the Koran.
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
This is what Apple Pie is confusing with his accusations.
Regards.
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peace Apple Pie
I would support the bible, if what the bible said was verifiable. If it makes sense, why not? But the thing is, that the quran makes sense too. And i believe them to be part of the same message.
You can test the Holy Bible as truth by testing its physically verifiable statements regarding creation.
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Peace,
There's perhaps one thing that Apple Pie has a fixation upon which they believe is some kind of irresistable refutation of the reading. And that is the allegation that the Koran is plagiarised.
The reality of the situation is probably better explained by way of parable. When painters paint, they all use canvas and paints with identical hues - does that mean they plagiarise from each other?
When there is a shared history, is a newer text going to deny the antecedent and come up with a brand new understanding?
And..when the authors of the Koran repeatedly tell us point-blank that they merely copied the previous scriptures....what does this tell us....?
Don't keep turning your head from this blatant fact.
shockApple Pie has the following problems...
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He wishes the Koran was something quite different to what he believes in. That would make it easier to deny and dismiss. There would be sufficient difference that he could ignore it without guilt or worry in his heart.
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Failing this he uses the commonality of origins and congruity of themes as a reason to suppose plagiarism. The problem here is that the commonality should be the very reason he sees the truth in the newer but pure message of monotheism in the Koran.
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
This is what Apple Pie is confusing with his accusations.
Regards.
Most interesting that you have absolutely NOTHING to say regarding my rebuttal to your previous post.
What happened to your cherry-picked sura 103....?
I must admit, you could not have picked a better example out of the entire Koran that supports the Biblical paradigm of how one attains eternal Salvation through Jesus Christ, than in sura 103.
We both know that sura 103 is entirely Book of Revelation material.
Period.
Stop.
End of story.
Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
As it is, you do nothing at all.
Zero.
Zippo.
Nadda.
Not even so much as verifying the classic Arabic in which you are basing your eternal soul towards.
You are running on pure adrenaline...
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Peace Apple Pie,
why can't you, for once, pretend that the koran is a newer edition of the bible, instead of the koran being the result of plagiarism of the bible. Try to look at it that way for a moment and maybe you'll see what we're talking about here.
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start. The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
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Peace Apple Pie,
why can't you, for once, pretend that the koran is a newer edition of the bible, instead of the koran being the result of plagiarism of the bible. Try to look at it that way for a moment and maybe you'll see what we're talking about here.
Why do you feel that the Koran plaigarized the Holy Bible...?
The authors who penned your book of faith tell us of their Biblical references.
They never once pretend that their Koranic material is original.
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Now you are getting it.
Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
The authors who penned it sure didn't.
You are right....the Koran merely repeats what came before it...much like a parrot...
The only difference is that the names have been changed.
The Koran utilizes a pagan Arab god that is dressed up to look like the Biblical God Jesus.
Thus, your sura 103 example perfectly demonstrates the way to Salvation via FIRST a belief in Jesus Christ, and then the deeds that FOLLOW you into Heaven.
Obey the classic Arabic of sura 103.
Amazing that you don't even want to talk about the sura 103 example that you brought to the table on your very own...
What's the matter...? lol
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start.
Islam is a poor attempt of an interpretation of their translated Biblical scriptures.
We have demonstrated this to you repeatedly....and all you can do is look the other way...
The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
Please tell us why your "one god" shows a plurality at the Throne via sura 81...?