what in the devil's name is 666?
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Peace be upon you Pple Pie,
Amazingly, as it is, the Koran (which is ~50% Biblical Book of Revelation material), also mentions these two beasts.
The first beast represents Satan.
The second beast represents mankind.
666 represents mankind, and is tied to the second beast, from the Earth
This is not one man - but the whole of mankind that is under the influence of the devil, either by thought or deed (i.e. the ?mark? on their forehead or hand).
Please elaborate on that. Give verses from both books so I can understand your understanding and see how it relates to life to be used as guidance.
Let's start with an example that I have already uncovered in sura 81...
The Woman rides the Beast
kai estaqh epi thn ammon ths qalasshs kai eidon ek ths qalasshs qhrion anabainon econ kerata deka kai kefalas epta kai epi twn keratwn autou deka diadhmata kai epi tas kefalas autou | onomata | <onomata> | blasfhmias
Rev 13.1 And I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw out of the sea a beast coming up, having heads seven and horns ten, and on the horns of it ten diadems, and on the heads of it names of blasphemy.
kai aphnegken me eis erhmon en pneumati kai eidon gunaika kaqhmenhn epi qhrion kokkinon | gemonta | <gemonta> | onomata blasfhmias ecwn kefalas epta kai kerata deka
Rev 17.3 And he carried me away into a desert, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
kai h gunh hn peribeblhmenh porfuroun kai kokkinon kai kecruswmenh crusiw kai liqw timiw kai margaritais ecousa pothrion crusoun en th ceiri auths gemon bdelugmatwn kai ta akaqarta ths porneias auths
Rev 17.4 And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and being gilded with gold and precious stone and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominations and unclean things of her fornication.
kai ta deka kerata a eides kai to qhrion outoi mishsousin thn pornhn kai hrhmwmenhn poihsousin authn kai gumnhn kai tas sarkas auths fagontai kai authn katakausousin | | en | puri
Rev 1716 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.
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Compare to 81.4?
Wa-itha alAAisharu AAuttilat
81.4 And when the ten and ten abandoned the woman.
= ?isharu?
?isharu? definition
Plural. Ten and ten; or ten and ten together; or ten at a time and ten at a time; having the quality of an epithet. They come ten and ten. The repetition is for the purpose of corroboration. It comes from the root ?ashara?, which means to take away a tenth part, make ten by adding one to nine, be the tenth.
= ?al? + ?isharu? = ?alAAisharu? = the ten and ten
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume five, pp. 2050 - 2053
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 373 - 374Occurrences of ?alAAisharu? in the Koran 1
Location 81.4Occurrences of the root ?ashara? and its 8 forms in the Koran 23
Locations 2.60, 2.196, 2.234, 5.12, 5.89, 6.160, 7.142, 7.160(2x), 8.65, 9.24, 9.36, 11.13, 12.4, 20.103, 22.13, 26.214, 28.27, 34.45, 58.22, 74.30, 81.4, 89.2= ?uttilat?
?uttilat? definition
Feminine singular. Said of a woman, she had not upon her any woman?s ornaments; and wore not any ornature, or decoration or her neck was destitute of necklaces or the like. Said of lands of seed-produce as meaning they were left uncultivated. Abandoned. It comes from the root ?atila?, which means to be without care, be abandoned and not to be used; the denuded, or unclad, part, or parts, of the body. The body, or person; particularly, as some say, of a human being; the neck; the beauty of body; a stalk of a raceme of a palm tree. Applied to a woman, having no woman?s ornaments upon her; or whose neck is destitute of necklaces or the like.
References
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume five, pp. 2082 - 2083
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur?an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 378Occurrences of ?uttilat? in the Koran 1
Location 81.4Occurrences of the root ?atila? and its 2 forms in the Koran 2
Locations 22.45, 81.4Observe that the usage of the root derivative ?muAAattalatin?, in 22.45, pertains to the destruction and destitution of a city?just as it does in 81.4?
Summary of 81.4
? The Book of Revelation dictates Koranic Eschatology
? 81.4 begins with ?wa-itha?, which is a continuation of 81.3, and can be rendered as ?remember the time??hence the information contained in this ayah also existed prior to it being penned in Arabic
? Revelation describes the First Beast rising from the sea, as having ?deka? ?keras?, or ten horns, with ?deka? ?diadema?, or ten diadems (crowns), on the horns?or ten horns and ten crowns
? 81.4 tells us of ?alAAisharu?, or Ten and ten; or ten and ten together; or ten at a time and ten at a time
? ?alAAisharu? is termed as an epithet?which is used to describe the nature of a thing
? The ten and ten is used as corroboration, i.e. to support with evidence in order to make more certain
? Revelation also tells that a ?gune?, or woman, is riding this First Beast from the sea
? Further, Revelation informs us that this woman is initially ?periballo?, or bedecked, with all manner of garments and ?chrusoo?, or ornaments
? Revelation tells us that this woman becomes ?eremoo?, or desolate of her vast possessions, and ?gumnos?, or naked (unclad)
? 81.4 tells us that ?uttilat? also refers to a woman
? ?Uttilat? describes this woman as ?she had not upon her any woman?s ornaments; and wore not any ornature, or decoration or her neck was destitute of necklaces or the like.?
? Further, the root ?atila? informs us that this woman becomes denuded, unclad, or naked
? Amazingly, it is beyond any reasonable doubt that the description in 81.4 is the very same one as described in the Book of Revelation, and represents the Woman (i.e. Babylon the Great, the City of man) as she is riding the First Beast (i.e. the devil), and has come to her own destructionPlease tell us your comments regarding this example...
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Peace be upon you,
Please tell us your comments regarding this example...
I will wait until you are finished explaining it. Tie it in with 666 and explain its meaning in everday life and our behavior.
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Peace be upon you,
Please tell us your comments regarding this example...
I will wait until you are finished explaining it. Tie it in with 666 and explain its meaning in everday life and our behavior.
Tell me this...
Do you agree with the example that I have just posted...?
Yes...or no...?
And why...
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Peace be upon you,
Tell me this...
Do you agree with the example that I have just posted...?
Are you asking me if I agree, just as the picture you provided shows, that one day there will be a woman/dinosaur combination coming out of the sea or something? No, I dont agree with that.
Yes...or no...?
And why...
First of all, the topic is "666", I have seen nothing about that, plus what I am looking for is guidance, tie it in to everyday life, as I have done with my understanding. Something we can actually use in life.
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Now you are getting it.
Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
The authors who penned it sure didn't.
You are right....the Koran merely repeats what came before it...much like a parrot...
The only difference is that the names have been changed.
The Koran utilizes a pagan Arab god that is dressed up to look like the Biblical God Jesus.
Thus, your sura 103 example perfectly demonstrates the way to Salvation via FIRST a belief in Jesus Christ, and then the deeds that FOLLOW you into Heaven.
Obey the classic Arabic of sura 103.
Amazing that you don't even want to talk about the sura 103 example that you brought to the table on your very own...
What's the matter...? lol
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start.
Islam is a poor attempt of an interpretation of their translated Biblical scriptures.
We have demonstrated this to you repeatedly....and all you can do is look the other way... D
The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
Please tell us why your "one god" shows a plurality at the Throne via sura 81...?
Peace,
The truth is universal and oft repeated. If someone asks me what is 2 + 2 and I say 4 and they ask you what is 2 + 2 and you say 4. Is there plagerism or a repeat of a basic mathematical fact.
Is not the bible a repeat of the Torah and other anient wisdom? Does that make it a plagerism.
Peace
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Now you are getting it.
Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
The authors who penned it sure didn't.
You are right....the Koran merely repeats what came before it...much like a parrot...
The only difference is that the names have been changed.
The Koran utilizes a pagan Arab god that is dressed up to look like the Biblical God Jesus.
Thus, your sura 103 example perfectly demonstrates the way to Salvation via FIRST a belief in Jesus Christ, and then the deeds that FOLLOW you into Heaven.
Obey the classic Arabic of sura 103.
Amazing that you don't even want to talk about the sura 103 example that you brought to the table on your very own...
What's the matter...? lol
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start.
Islam is a poor attempt of an interpretation of their translated Biblical scriptures.
We have demonstrated this to you repeatedly....and all you can do is look the other way... D
The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
Please tell us why your "one god" shows a plurality at the Throne via sura 81...?
Peace,
The truth is universal and oft repeated. If someone asks me what is 2 + 2 and I say 4 and they ask you what is 2 + 2 and you say 4. Is there plagerism or a repeat of a basic mathematical fact.
Is not the bible a repeat of the Torah and other anient wisdom? Does that make it a plagerism.
Peace
So....then there is no issue when both the Holy Bible and the koran state that Jesus is God Almighty...
After all, according to you, this is a "universal truth"....
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Why not step up to the plate and finally admit this to yourself.
I think this applies to you more than anyone. Let me repeat the key sentence that you should take heed of...
The Koran does not bring a NEW message; it brings a REPEATED message to mankind.
Now you are getting it.
Who ever said that the Koranic material was new...?
The authors who penned it sure didn't.
You are right....the Koran merely repeats what came before it...much like a parrot...
The only difference is that the names have been changed.
The Koran utilizes a pagan Arab god that is dressed up to look like the Biblical God Jesus.
Thus, your sura 103 example perfectly demonstrates the way to Salvation via FIRST a belief in Jesus Christ, and then the deeds that FOLLOW you into Heaven.
Obey the classic Arabic of sura 103.
Amazing that you don't even want to talk about the sura 103 example that you brought to the table on your very own...
What's the matter...? lol
Islam as the God's system is not new, but is the system from the start.
Islam is a poor attempt of an interpretation of their translated Biblical scriptures.
We have demonstrated this to you repeatedly....and all you can do is look the other way...
The God has always sent messengers to mankind with the message. That the God is One.
Please tell us why your "one god" shows a plurality at the Throne via sura 81...?
Peace,
The truth is universal and oft repeated. If someone asks me what is 2 + 2 and I say 4 and they ask you what is 2 + 2 and you say 4. Is there plagerism or a repeat of a basic mathematical fact.
Is not the bible a repeat of the Torah and other anient wisdom? Does that make it a plagerism.
Peace
So....then there is no issue when both the Holy Bible and the koran state that Jesus is God Almighty...
After all, according to you, this is a "universal truth"....
No there is an issue Apple,
A man was never the creator of the heavens, earth ...
I often wonder what sort of illness one has that manifests itself into mentally thinking that the God would have been a man/woman/object/... and I thank God for protecting me from it.
God is God the creator of all... worthy of worship only
Man is a created being (Jesus, Mohammad, You, Me...)
Animals are created beings ...This should be 'Life 101'.
That is such an insult to the creator no matter how beloved or great we believe the created being (Jesus, Mohammad, You, Me ...).
There is one God who has no associates, partners, and was not begotten and is not 3 in 1 ...
I do not know what you are reading but understand if all the books including the Quran and Bible were to become so polluted that they would utter this blasphemy (and I do not believe they do), I still would not believe any man/woman is God, and that includes Jesus or any other person.
I hope I have made myself absolutely clear.
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No there is an issue Apple,
A man was never the creator of the heavens, earth ...
I often wonder what sort of illness one has that manifests itself into mentally thinking that the God would have been a man/woman/object/... and I thank God for protecting me from it.
God is God the creator of all... worthy of worship only
Man is a created being (Jesus, Mohammad, You, Me...)
Animals are created beings ...This should be 'Life 101'.
That is such an insult to the creator no matter how beloved or great we believe the created being (Jesus, Mohammad, You, Me ...).
There is one God who has no associates, partners, and was not begotten and is not 3 in 1 ...
I do not know what you are reading but understand if all the books including the Quran and Bible were to become so polluted that they would utter this blasphemy (and I do not believe they do), I still would not believe any man/woman is God, and that includes Jesus or any other person.
I hope I have made myself absolutely clear.
What scripture(s) do you use to support your position...?
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peace
maybe its a scripture called "common sense" (which actually was an essay written by Thomas Payne i think but that not what i'm referring to).
Does it make sense to you that God Himself would have to descend among human beings as a human to be able to preach his message and break His own laws to prove to people his existence?
The scripture that you follow is called "blind belief." -
peace
maybe its a scripture called "common sense" (which actually was an essay written by Thomas Payne i think but that not what i'm referring to).
Does it make sense to you that God Himself would have to descend among human beings as a human to be able to preach his message and break His own laws to prove to people his existence?
The scripture that you follow is called "blind belief."Why not ask the authors who penned your Koran...?
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Peace be upon you Stephanie,
The truth is universal and oft repeated. If someone asks me what is 2 + 2 and I say 4 and they ask you what is 2 + 2 and you say 4. Is there plagerism or a repeat of a basic mathematical fact.
Is not the bible a repeat of the Torah and other anient wisdom? Does that make it a plagerism.
I have asked this of Apple Pie many many times, you will never get an answer to that. D
One last thing, the God does not get "insulted" D
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
I am still waiting for you to elaborate on what 666 means and how part woman part dinosaurs relate to our life.
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Peace be upon you Stephanie,
The truth is universal and oft repeated. If someone asks me what is 2 + 2 and I say 4 and they ask you what is 2 + 2 and you say 4. Is there plagerism or a repeat of a basic mathematical fact.
Is not the bible a repeat of the Torah and other anient wisdom? Does that make it a plagerism.
Peace be unto you Idolfree1,
Thank you for the 'heads up' regarding Apple. I'd not done a search on his comments prior to becoming engaged in discussion with him but somehow what you say you have asked and not received an answer to does not surprise me. I will probably check him out using the search out of fairness ?
As for you though, boy have I enjoyed reading your posts.
(by the grace of the God).Just one small thing, what I said is 'That is such an insult to the creator no matter how beloved or great we believe the created being (Jesus, Mohammad, You, Me...). ' ...
?that? is the object describing Apple's blasphemies not me speaking for the creator. I never give the creator emotions and such and would never say about the creator what I do not know.
I know you were just clarifying in case I went there...
I like that.
Peace
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
I am still waiting for you to elaborate on what 666 means and how part woman part dinosaurs relate to our life.
Please show us the word "dinosaur" that you are referring to...
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Peace be upon you Stephanie,
Thank you for the 'heads up' regarding Apple. I'd not done a search on his comments prior to becoming engaged in discussion with him but somehow what you say you have asked and not received an answer to does not surprise me. I will probably check him out using the search out of fairness ?
Yes, please always verify things yourself, I do no want anyone to take what say blindly, but I just wanted to give you heads up, as well as let Apple Pie know that I am aware D
As for you though, boy have I enjoyed reading your posts.
(by the grace of the God).Thank you for the kind words. The exaltation to the God. D
Just one small thing, what I said is 'That is such an insult to the creator no matter how beloved or great we believe the created being (Jesus, Mohammad, You, Me...). ' ...
?that? is the object describing Apple's blasphemies not me speaking for the creator. I never give the creator emotions and such and would never say about the creator what I do not know.
Sorry for the error, I agree that we should not give the God human emotions.
I know you were just clarifying in case I went there...
I like that.
I like that you are receptive to reminders and I hope you will do the same for me and all those here who follow guidance.
Glad you are here sister.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
idolfree1 wrote
Peace be upon you Apple Pie,I am still waiting for you to elaborate on what 666 means and how part woman part dinosaurs relate to our life.
Please show us the word "dinosaur" that you are referring to...
I was referring to the SEVEN headed tyrannosaurus rex picture you posted. You referred to it as the beast. I will assume this ties into 666 in some way, but you have not elaborated on it as of yet, nor showed us how it relates to life and human behavior, as have done with my VERIFYABLE understanding.
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Peace be upon you Apple Pie,
I think the site went down so maybe your response got deleted, please finish elaborating on 666 for us.
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hello street pie, oooooooops! apple pie
i see a LOCK where u dont see, all hv tried to open but it looks permenant. forget everyone apple pie go ask God to unlock.
666 could be 3 gays but here its 1, so devil clicks 666 posts and avion2 words for you W A K E U P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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peace everyone,
idolfree1 said something like "the number of the beast, they say, is 666."
so my question is, "who's they?"just curious about what this is.
Here is every instance of 666 from the Bible. The number in some very old manuscripts of the Bible is different apparently, but 666 became the popular version. Hebrew letters at times were used numerically to give out certain numbers, so this may be a way to codify the name.
Ezra 213
The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
Nehemiah 718
The sons of Adonikam, 667.1 Kings 1014
Now the weight of gold which came in to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold,Revelation 1318
This calls for wisdom let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.Revelation 1310-
If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a serpent.
It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.
Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.Looks like so many people miss that part haha, and miss so much.
The first beast, and the second beast, are not the devil, known as "That old serpent". The first beast survives some kind of head wound, and the second beast promotes the first.
The 144,000 that so many claim to be or hope to be, are virgins who have not "defiled themselves with women".