Examples how symbolism can explain away almost anything
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Hi all,
The punishment for theft Marking of the hand.
And how does this help?
Peace!
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Peace "idolfree",
Peace be upon you,
What happens when the magnificent human body mends itself? What happens if the cut heals and goes away?
JK- Then that would be a mecy from GOD for the thief, simple. But if steals more and as a result gets more cuts, then at some time scars will apeear which wont go off anymore.
I thought we had a covenant not to shed blood?
JK- This expression refers to murder not a mere cut and btw it refers to innocent people NOT those who commit mischief on earth who need to be punished for their crimes. GOD Bless!
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Peace "mquran",
Hey, you want it both ways! Don't blame me, blame the Quran! It only say that over saqr is 19 malaika, nothing else. So take THAT literally. I don't see a fitnah at all, btw.
JK- NO it doesnt. AT least not in myunderstanding and in that of many others. As i said i believe GOD blocked you from seeing the rest. You see only angels upon hellfire, nothing else. I see a great prophecy of GOD being fulfilled and an awesome perpetual miracle.
No you can't because the bible doesn't stipulate RULES of interpretation. Al-quraan tells you HOW to interpret it (no, no counting is involved) .
JK- The boundaries of Al-Quran are UNDEFINED without code-19. GOD Bless!
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Peace "mquran",
The punishment for thieves CANNOT be taken literally because it would contradict
- The story of Yusuf
- The rule of Qisas.
use al-quraan to tafseer al-quraan. 19 doesn't help much, Johny.
JK- It doesnt cotradict anything in my view. Can you explain how it does? GOD Bless!
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JK- The boundaries of Al-Quran are UNDEFINED without code-19. GOD Bless!
Two things
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What 19 is was defined by RK, not al-quraan. Al-quraan, as you've admitted before, never told you to go on a counting spree.
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Are you saying that up to RK, people didn't know what the boundary of al-quraan was, thus were making tafseer without authentication?
JK- It doesnt cotradict anything in my view. Can you explain how it does? GOD Bless!
Sure, the story of Yusuf from 12/70-77 explains this where as-saariq/the thief was was given just 'rewards'.
The law of qisaas is explained in 5/45 and tells us that equivalency is the order. So if you steal a cup, you don't pay back with a hand.
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Peace "mquran",
Two things
- What 19 is was defined by RK, not al-quraan. Al-quraan, as you've admitted before, never told you to go on a counting spree.
JK- I dont wanna repeat myself over and over again. It was authorized by GOD not in the wording you like or apprecciate but we clearly understand it that way.
- Are you saying that up to RK, people didn't know what the boundary of al-quraan was, thus were making tafseer without authentication?
JK- I knew it. I just knew it this claim waould ncome up agian. "what about the ppl beforre RK? What did they do? Werent there innocents before RK, bla, bla, bla". Man, WHY DONT YOU FORGET ABOUT THE PAST. We dont know 1) What kinna signs those people received from GOD or what mehthod GOD used to show His true Quran to them in tnhe past 2) we dont even know if there were any sincere people back then since the "muslms" were severely corrupted so GOD may have calculated the time in which people would be bad, etc, etc. So the simple answer is "we DONT KNOW". We are interested in what we have and see now from GOD and we are supposed to appreciate that.
Sure, the story of Yusuf from 12/70-77 explains this where as-saariq/the thief was was given just 'rewards'.
JK- At that time the rule for stealing was different. Remember Quran has certain changes even for fasting when it says that from NOW ON people could have sexual relations during the nights of fasting which was thus not allowed before. You cant say that in Joseph's time the same rule applied as mentioned in 5.38 of Quran.
The law of qisaas is explained in 5/45 and tells us that equivalency is the order. So if you steal a cup, you don't pay back with a hand.
JK- So according to your understanding that would mean if somebody steals from you then you should go and steal from as well? This is nonsense. Thre above verse refers to PHYSICAL attacks/violations of other human beings while in stealing we avoid human contact to take away their property. That's why theres also a difference btw robbery and tehft. GOD Bless!
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JK- I dont wanna repeat myself over and over again. It was authorized by GOD not in the wording you like or apprecciate but we clearly understand it that way.
Your god is a funny god. He details his laws but leaves the AUTHENTICATION of his laws a secret.
JK- I knew it. I just knew it this claim waould ncome up agian
Maybe you're a prophet too ?
I want to but your discourse DEPENDS on history. It proposes that 19 is a new ('new' is a word relative to 'old' , factored in TIME).
We dont know 1) What kinna signs those people received from GOD or what mehthod GOD used to show His true Quran to them in tnhe past 2) we dont even know if there were any sincere people back then since the "muslms" were severely corrupted so GOD may have calculated the time in which people would be bad, etc, etc. So the simple answer is "we DONT KNOW". We are interested in what we have and see now from GOD and we are supposed to appreciate that.
I do. It's clear to me why al-quraan is the word of Allah but I didn't have to do a single count.
JK- At that time the rule for stealing was different. Remember Quran has certain changes even for fasting when it says that from NOW ON people could have sexual relations during the nights of fasting which was thus not allowed before. You cant say that in Joseph's time the same rule applied as mentioned in 5.38 of Quran.
All nabiyeen brought al-kitaab and al-kitaab doesn't change. Therefore, the laws won't change.
JK- So according to your understanding that would mean if somebody steals from you then you should go and steal from as well? This is nonsense. Thre above verse refers to PHYSICAL attacks/violations of other human beings while in stealing we avoid human contact to take away their property. That's why theres also a difference btw robbery and tehft. GOD Bless!
Please prove that equivalency is for violation acts only.