DOES GOD KNOW THE FUTURE?
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Peace all. My answer to the question does a single being(god) know everything? Is no. I suggest that in place of the word allah,you use the word will. Not a single will,but an ongoing number of wills. Each will is free to use this this indestructrable will. No one will can dominate or be passive,because these states are illusions that produce suffering. Einstein stated that matter cannot be destroyed,it can only be changed to a different form. I suggest freewill cannot be destroyed,it can only be changed to a different form. Every single thing is an independent free will. One wills action on the other can only modify the environment,it cannot destroy another will. Each will is an allah,but there is no totally dominant allah or a totally powerless allah. When it is said there is no god but allah,i believe it means there is no guide for a particular person except his freewill. The peaceful way is to believe in your own freewill whilst also recognising there are an ongoing number of other wills which also have freewill,and thus you cannot achieve domination or be passive,you can be freeflowing and interactive.(like the oriental way of tao)The way of suffering is to be passive or try to dominate. No other will can know the reality of your will or exactly what you will do,-your will is random to all on-lookers. On-lookers can only guess,or witness, or be informed by your will of what you want to do,or are doing, or have done.Like quantum physics you cannot 100% predict the behaviour of a will(or particle).
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Wow...I will need sometime to digest it....you put to much masala in your message!
Back to the Quran When God say the time is fixed, we can't delat it nor quicken it. What does it mean? Those stone trowers who died in Mecca, did they die because there time is fixed, or did they die earlier? If everybody die earlier, due to say their lifestyle, then does that mean they killed themself? So most people today kill themself?
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My current conclusion from my previous post is that every single being is an indestructable will,in other words an allah. Every single being is an allah. Every allah is a single being. Thus there are an ongoing number(or infinite number) of single allahs.
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Peace bmbmm and all. The word fixed in the quran(if im not mistaken) when referring to death is from the root 'kitab'. Kitab can mean awareness(or experience) and so when it says death is in a book it does not mean predetermined or fixed,but can mean that you(the will) are either aware of death through it happening to you,or death likely can happen to you(so called near death/out of body experience) so basically when death comes you can be aware of it in some form.
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Salaam phoenix1. When a person dies or is dying he is aware (to some extent) that he could be near death or 'dead'. Others around can be aware of this too. This means no death of anything goes un-noticed. In place of the word 'aware' we could also say 'conscious' of death in some way.
Note;death can be seen as a change in environment,not a destruction of the will.(self or allah) -
Peace bmbmm and all. The word fixed in the quran(if im not mistaken) when referring to death is from the root 'kitab'. Kitab can mean awareness(or experience) and so when it says death is in a book it does not mean predetermined or fixed,but can mean that you(the will) are either aware of death through it happening to you,or death likely can happen to you(so called near death/out of body experience) so basically when death comes you can be aware of it in some form.
Of course death is not the end,every being is indestructable and eternal in some way.Peace
What you said above is wrong
Death was refered to in the Quran as "Ajal", NOT kitab, and that Ajal means appointed term and it is recorded in a book
Peace
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Peace ahmedbhaghat. kitaban muajjalan,im sure this phrase is in the 'quran'(maybe 3;145). Could this mean an awareness(kitab) which is quick/impending(ajal) when referring to death,in other words you are notified of possible death by a sudden awareness.
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Hello to all
This is my evidences from the Quran that Allah knows in advance how long any human will live and when they should die, How they die?, this is only for God to know, the way they died is irrelevant to the fact that He always knows when people should die, because He created a fixed term for exch soul, this fixed term is also documented in a book that He has up there, let?s start walking through the verses
And a soul will not die but with the permission of Allah the term is fixed; and whoever desires the reward of this world, I shall give him of it, and whoever desires the reward of the hereafter I shall give him of it, and I will reward the grateful.
(145)
-> The above is clear ? And a soul will not die but with the permission of Allah the term is fixed?, we can read that NO SOUL WILL DIE BUT WITH THE PERMISSION OF ALLAH, Why? Because THE TERM IS FIXED. That fixed term CAN?T be changed by us, neither others can change it to others; I agree it may look this way when people commit suicide or others try to kill others but sure it is not the truth.
Surely Allah is He with Whom is the knowledge of the hour, and He sends down the rain and He knows what is in the wombs; and no soul knows what he/she shall earn on the morrow; and no soul knows in what land he shall die; surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.
(34)
-> In the above verse we are told that Allah knows things we can?t know, one of the things is; in which land we shall die ?and no soul knows in what land he shall die; surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.?, this clearly means He knows also when we should die as He knows where we will die.
10- And spend out of what We have given you before death comes to one of you, so that he should say My Lord! why didst Thou not respite me to a near term, so that I should have given alms and been of the doers of good deeds?
11- And Allah does not respite a soul when her appointed term has come, and Allah is Aware of what you do.
(10)
(11)->We were told above, when death come to us, we will try hard to ask for a time extension to fix our mistakes ? And spend out of what We have given you before death comes to one of you, so that he should say My Lord! why didst Thou not respite me to a near term, so that I should have given alms and been of the doers of good deeds??, sure our request will be denied because the term is fixed ? And Allah does not respite a soul when her appointed term has come,?
We have ordained death among you and We are not to be overcome
(60)
-> We read above ? We have ordained death among you?, this means the fixed term for exch one of us and that fixed term can?t be changed ? and We are not to be overcome?, this clearly means that no one will die BEFORE the expires of his/her fixed term
Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.
(42)
-> We read above, Death is like Sleep, in both cases the SOUL must exit the body, for the ones that their term has not expired yet, the souls will be returned to their bodies until their terms expire, and for those who had their terms expired in their sleep, the souls MUST NOT return back to the body, this reminds me with my healthy neighbour who died very young in his sleep ?Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term?
But when We decreed death for him, naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff; and when it fell down, the jinn came to know plainly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have tarried in abasing torment.
(14)
-> Here is another good example of a righteous prophet (Solaiman) who died young in his thirties (as far as I know), I guess he was not a smoker also, and sure he was a king i.e. he had a very comfy life with all sorts of servants from all sorts of creatures including the Jinns, The Quran told us, Solaiman died while he was sitting on his throne and leaning on his staff, why he has to die at this young age, if he was dedicating all his life for the sake of Allah (he was even chosen by Allah to be a prophet) ?, in fact, this is what Solaiman asked Allah for, to give him wealth and power NO HUMAN EVER HAD, to deploy it for the sake of guiding the people to Him, his wish was granted and more was granted than what he asked for, but his term expired in his thirties and he must die even if he was a prophet, even if he was young and even if he was sitting comfortably on his throne ? But when We decreed death for him, naught showed them his death but a creature of the earth that ate away his staff;?
99- Until, when death cometh unto one of them, he saith My Lord! Send me back,
100- That I may do right in that which I have left behind! But nay! It is but a word that he speaketh; and behind them is a barrier until the day when they are raised.
(99)
(100)-> We read the above message earlier that we will try hard to seek a time extension when death arrives to us ? Until, when death cometh unto one of them, he saith My Lord! Send me back, That I may do right in that which I have left behind!?, but again the term can?t be changed, look how Allah expressed this denial with the following words ? It is but a word that he speaketh; and behind them is a barrier until the day when they are raised.?, See, it can?t happen, our wish must be denied and also a barrier will be enforced to prevent it from going back until the Judgment Day, I would like to add a personal opinion here, this barrier as far as I believe is most likely the Event Horizon in the black holes (Allah knows best).
"Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls them, they say, "This is from Allah"; but if evil, they say, "This is from thee" (O Prophet). Say "All things are from Allah." But what hath come to these people, that they fail to understand a single fact?
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-> This is a very good verse, it tells us, whatever we do to avoid death even if we seek refuge in high and well protected towers, death will find us , see the word (find)?, i.e. somehow it must happen by nature, by ourselves or by others, this is how we will see it but at the end of the day, it is the expiry of our fixed terms ? Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high?
And if Allah had destroyed men for their iniquity, He would not leave on the earth a single creature, but He respites them till an appointed time; so when their appointed terms expire, they shall not be able to delay (it) an hour nor can they bring (it) on (before its time).
(61)
-> Another excellent verse, it tells us, if Allah should punish the humans on the spot for their sins, NO ONE WOULD HAVE LEFT ON EARTH, this is due to the many sins humans commit, but the point is Allah does not do that because He appointed each soul for a fixed term to live ? And if Allah had destroyed men for their iniquity, He would not leave on the earth a single creature, but He respites them till an appointed time;?, and when their appointed terms expire ? so when their appointed terms expire, they shall not be able to delay (it) an hour nor can they bring (it) on (before its time).?, clear as the light. Therefore no one can change the appointed term the self nor for others.
To every people is a term appointed when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation).
(34)
-> We have seen verses talk about individuals appointed terms, now we read it as a bunch of people together, for me (as a personal opinion), I guess it is like plane crashes, earthquakes, volcanos, land slides, tsunamis, etc?., i.e. when a bunch of people die together, it happened that all of those unfortunate ones share the same expiry time for their appointed terms ? To every people is a term appointed when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation).?
In the following two verses we read, it is the desire of Allah to make people die at young age and others die at very old age, i.e. this is a law He created upon Himself, and we can?t really question it
O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).
(5)
-> 225 is one awesome verse indeed ? and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further),?
He it is Who created you from dust, then from a small lifegerm, then from a clot, then He brings you forth as a child, then that you may attain your maturity, then that you may be old-- and of you there are some who are caused to die before-- and that you may reach an appointed term, and that you may understand.
(67)
-> The verse clearly says that whoever die before reaching an old age, has reached the appointed term ? He brings you forth as a child, then that you may attain your maturity, then that you may be old-- and of you there are some who are caused to die before-- and that you may reach an appointed term, and that you may understand.?
Peace be with all
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Peace ahmedbhaghat. I dont mean to be offensive. quoting severeal verses does not necessarily mean that is the only understanding or the correct one.
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Peace ahmedbhaghat. I dont mean to be offensive. quoting severeal verses does not necessarily mean that is the only understanding or the correct one.
Peace
Ok, no offence taken, but I hardly talk without the Quran verses, I guess you may consider it "Laghaw Al hadith" and ignore it, or at least refute it
Thank you
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"He it is Who created you from dust, then from a small lifegerm, then from a clot, then He brings you forth as a child, then that you may attain your maturity, then that you may be old-- and of you there are some who are caused to die before-- and that you may reach an appointed term, and that you may understand."
Salam AB,
"There are some who are caused to die before" is this before the fixed the time of death? What about "reaching an appointed term" Isn't someone die young reaching an appointed term as well?
Bro as you got some problems with your eyes, please do not sit too long infront of the PC. Just write a few points....we can wait )
Please eleborate when you find it easier for you.
Peace
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Peace. We should try to realise that we can be mislead by what is written in books(including the quran,bible,torah etc.) as well as getting an awareness through them as well. Peace.
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"He it is Who created you from dust, then from a small lifegerm, then from a clot, then He brings you forth as a child, then that you may attain your maturity, then that you may be old-- and of you there are some who are caused to die before-- and that you may reach an appointed term, and that you may understand."
Salam AB,
"There are some who are caused to die before" is this before the fixed the time of death? What about "reaching an appointed term" Isn't someone die young reaching an appointed term as well?
Bro as you got some problems with your eyes, please do not sit too long infront of the PC. Just write a few points....we can wait )
Please eleborate when you find it easier for you.
Peace
Pecae bro
I know that this bit may cause a mix up, the Arabic verse is clear the BEFORE is refering to "BEFORE THEY REACH AN OLD AGE" and both who reached it or not MUST COMPLY WITH THE APPOINTED TERM RECORDED IN A BOOK
My problem with my eyes bro that I'm also a computer programmer and I created many databases for the last 10 years or so, in fact I'm busy for 3 days working on a new module for a huge db that it took me two yeras to make , I think I need a medical glass
Peace be with you man
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OK I have to ask. What of this "book" containing the dates of our predetermined deaths. can someone elaborate. I am never quite sure what I am supposed to take literally and what is symbolism when it comes to discussions around the Koran. It seems to be a coin toos there
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Hi Ahmed Bhagat,
From the verses u quoted, I understand that Allah pre determines our life span. And the verses are talking of natural death.
Can u show me evidence from Quran which says, that man wont die earlier, becoz of his own harmful actions(suicide, etc), if Allah allows/permits?
Peace!
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Hi Ahmed Bhagat,
From the verses u quoted, I understand that Allah pre determines our life span. And the verses are talking of natural death.
Peace
no sister the verses are taling about the death of a soul, it never saiud natural
I really donlt understand how you can think that humans can control the life of others?
it is like they will take Allah by surprise as He has to come and take the spoul, or at leats send the angel of death to take the soul out
it does not sum up
also your logic does not sum up regarding accidents, as that is not natural deaths I guess
Can u show me evidence from Quran which says, that man wont die earlier, becoz of his own harmful actions(suicide, etc), if Allah allows/permits?
there is none for what you asked for, but I showed the one that stated others will die old and others will die before being old
Peace!
peace
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OK I have to ask. What of this "book" containing the dates of our predetermined deaths. can someone elaborate. I am never quite sure what I am supposed to take literally and what is symbolism when it comes to discussions around the Koran. It seems to be a coin toos there
Allah has (a book) or possibly many books up there
one of them or part of one of the books is the fixed term appointed to each soul
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Hello PM
what can you say abolut this verse
"Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
"(30)
See sister, our will can't be unless Alla's will allow it to be
therefore if I want to kill someone, ie. I have a will to kill someone
the verse is telling us that my will can't happen unless Allah's will allow it
therefore it is impossible to believe that Allah will be taken by surprise when a human kills another, so Allah can make up His descision on the spot to allow the human will to happen or not, ie. to allow the soul to exit or not, this is not dealt with case by case for sure rather all dealt with in advance and documented in a book and according to the following verse
And a soul will not die but with the permission of Allah the term is fixed; and whoever desires the reward of this world, I shall give him of it, and whoever desires the reward of the hereafter I shall give him of it, and I will reward the grateful.
(145)
The above verse does not say a nafs that will die naturally
Peace