Why to guive proof from Koran if this isn't the book of God?
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Peace Ahmed,
If your understanding is the same as Kyle then we are worlds apart and we have nothing to say to each other.
Kyle and I agree on many points, but not everything. And if that's the way you feel, then so be it. The rest of your post has become moot.
Peace,
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Peace Ahmed,
If your understanding is the same as Kyle then we are worlds apart and we have nothing to say to each other.
Kyle and I agree on many points, but not everything. And if that's the way you feel, then so be it. The rest of your post has become moot.
Peace,
TayPeace Tay
Yeh mate that is what I wanted to confirm before I continue discussing other issues with you, as truely I'm not intested into the flawed uncomplete concept you and kyle promote
peace
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Peace Ahmed,
Of course you couldn't say goodbye without one last jab. That's ok, bro...
7310 And endure with patience whatever people may say, and leave them with a noble leaving.
May peace be upon you,
TayBro why I have to say goodbye?
it is not the end of discussion between us in any other subject but religion, we can talk about politics, sports, sex but not religion please, I honestly like you bro
peace be with you
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Peace be upon you Bilal76,
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Thank you for the respect and I will try to answer your questions. First though, I must adress the premise that is already assumed when we say "revealed to Muhammad". There is no proof that there was a "Muhammad", but the context of the word "muhammadun" througthout is a vehicle of "hamd". But we can speak more on that in a thread I intend to start today regarding the prefix "MU".Maybe that M-HAMMAD is built on the same basis as MU-SALLIN.
To tell the truth it is too early for the statement because I control
not yet well the Arab language.Yes, this is exactly my position, that MU -hammadun is the same structure as MU- salleen, Mu - Min, Mu-staqeem, etc
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Because that is the book we are here discussing. However, this is not the only book I study, so we can discuss universal laws on several different levels. As "Koran" states, we are to trust in that which descended upon us AND THOSE BEFORE US. Therefore to say that the God's Words (which never run out) are confinesd to 114 chapters is aganst its own message.according to you is "the Koran" only one means of distinguishing the
laws universal among others? correct me if I am mistakenThe book named "KORAN" is one of several means of proclaiming the truths of life. It is a guide which POINTS TO the signs of the universe. We are over and over again directed to the universe for examples and one verse states that "We will show you our signs in the horizon and within your Spirit/Minds until you KNOW this (the message) is the truth." I do not hold that it is the one and only Book and should be idolized in any way. The "BOOK" (al kitaab) spoke of inside of "Koran" is an allegory to the Universal Laws.
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Sure, if you have no means of aquiring sustenance that is healthy and nutricious.put besides this situation, the flesh of pig is not allowed?
Yes, based on the relationship of consuming pork and the response that you wil get from your body based on Universal Law. But we must keep in mind that each person has been passed down, by Universal Law, a stronger or weaker body from thier family line, so although it might appear that it is not a uniform response, it is just that some people are working with a stronger immune system and so forth.
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Neither, the universe is set up in a way that all things are interdependent with each other. Therefore we can weigh and measure all things according to thier relationships. To measure something is an act of SEEING, versus hearing about something (hearsay). So it is OBJECTIVE, and therefore not subject to personal opinion.who fixes the common limits not to exceed? Think that the limits
differ according to people's or that these limits are fixed by The
Law?The limits of universal law? It is the God who creates this structure, humans are subject to it. I hope I answered that question, I am not sure I understood what you were asking, please advise.
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The "nabi" are those that intuit knowledge from within. They "intuit" the proper relationships of things. One must attain a high degree of spiritual development to reach this level. Anyone who passes on the information that has been intuited, wether it is the "intuiter" or someone else, they are described as a messenger(rasool), one who is sent.would it be possible for you to support your understing of the
nabi by the Koran? thank you in advanceThe verses state that the 'nabi' are sent the 'Book'(universal law). When we reflect upon the message, we realize that ALL things MUST be intuited by a human FIRST, then passed on externally to others. This is not simply a mater of posting a verse, because al I can show you is how the 'nabi" is associated with having the "Book" revealed to them, we must REFLECT that ALL THINGS HAVE to be intuited by someone first. There is always a first person to do something, where did they get it from? It had to come from within.
You see, we have been "misguided" by those who dont understand science nor religion to believe that "nabi" and "rasool" are superheroes that only blossom in the Middle east in the past. No, this is a LIVING MESSAGE for all people. We have "nabi" and "rasool" potential in all of us if we cultivate it with the same vigor that many cultivate going to school and college and making money.
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Furher, many of the names have more meaning to them in regards to the text. Like "muhammadun" which means one who is a vehicle of "hamd"(exaltation). Then there is Solomon, whose root is "peace"(S-L-M), giving us a clue owards understanding "his" story.it could be interessent to referer for all the verses referant itself with SOLOMON
to see whether this assumption can be checked.Well, I am not sure I have a clear cut assumption yet But it is indeed interesting that the name Solomon comes from the same root (s-l-m) which means Peace. And it is Solomon that is the one who has a "kingdom like no other" and is in control of the "forces". In ancient spiritual cultures, many which are still practiced today, state that being at PEACE is the only way to "control" the forces within MAN. One cannot be subject to emotions and see clearly, they are described as spiritually dead and blind.
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Peace be upon you Bilal76,
Peace be upon you idolfree1
The limits of universal law? It is the God who creates this structure, humans are subject to it. I hope I answered that question, I am not sure I understood what you were asking, please advise.
I talk about the limit of permission to do something. The interpretation of the laws can be different according to the perception of the people. The risk is that somebody can considered something "haram" whereas an other person don't see the bad thing which justifies the "haram".
Sorry for my bad english. Tell me if i did mistake in my language in order to correct it.Peace
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Peace Ahmed,
You stated
Bro why I have to say goodbye?
So, you saw the "goodbye" but you didn't see the "jab"?
Look bro, I have no problem with you or your views. However, I come to this forum for a few reasons
- To learn
- To share what I've learned elsewhere with people I genuinely like, and who actually have an interest in what I'm sharing
- To generally interact with somewhat like-minded people
I'm slowly learning to curb my voice when I can see that none of the above 3 reasons are a possibility. It's taking longer than I anticipated, but I think I'm making progress.
Anyway, I look forward to chatting with you in the future. I will, however, do my best to avoid your posts in the threads where you and I clearly don't see eye to eye. It does neither of us any good. I hope you'll do the same.
Peace,
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Peace Ahmed,
You stated
Bro why I have to say goodbye?
So, you saw the "goodbye" but you didn't see the "jab"?
Peace Tay
obviously if I didnlt see jabs then there was no jabs intended
Look bro, I have no problem with you or your views. However, I come to this forum for a few reasons
- To learn
- To share what I've learned elsewhere with people I genuinely like, and who actually have an interest in what I'm sharing
- To generally interact with somewhat like-minded people
cool bro, I have no issues with you either, I guess both of us have a strong opinion at the end of the day
I'm slowly learning to curb my voice when I can see that none of the above 3 reasons are a possibility. It's taking longer than I anticipated, but I think I'm making progress.
to be honest bro I'm here for a totally different purpose, but is still under the category of good will
Anyway, I look forward to chatting with you in the future.
sure, here is my email address if you would like me to contact me privately and with high priority
ahmed at epilepsy dot org dot au
I will, however, do my best to avoid your posts in the threads where you and I clearly don't see eye to eye. It does neither of us any good. I hope you'll do the same.
Peace,
Taydidn't you notice that this what I do for your posts?, i realized quickly what you have realized, that it will do us no good and most likely both of us will stand by whatever they believe in, i was responding to you in this thread, that's all
take care mate
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peace tay and ahmed
maybe you two shouldn't have a debate, but a dialogue.
we learned this in english class
a debate is when two people are trying to prove eachother wrong and themselves right. A debate is between two close-minded people who are not open to being wrong.
a dialogue is when two people are open-minded to eachother's views and instead of debating, try to understand eachother's views by questioning.
You all probably already knew this but...i had to.
This is what we all should be doing. First we must understand eachother's views thoroughly. Then, only if there is something seriously wrong in their views, we must debate.
Everyone has different views. And instead of just avoiding them, we must understand them. And i think learning different views is part of the learning process. You don't know the whole thing unless you know both sides of the story.So instead of just saying "let's agree to disagree" we must find out why we disagree. Why does the other person think what he/she thinks?
sorry for the lecture.
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peace
I have a question for you ahmed B,
what exactly is your purpose for being here?
and why exactly do you spell out the word 'dot'?Thanks for the advice mate, should be apprecited indeed, i guess the debating problem should not exist between good mates, and because we hardly know each other that is why it heats up quick
for the puropose of being here, sorry mate it will do me any good to say why I'm here, to a degree I don't know and to another degree I know, it is sort of some conflicing thoughts, but I feel I'm been forced to do it somehow, despite the lack of time,
the reason it will do me no good, is due to the fact that hardly anyone knows me therfore I can't volunteer info that certainly can be misunderstood by others who are already on the picking mode
when I type my email on forums I avoid writing the exact format as there is softwars that will scan the public forums and pickup all emails found then add it to a spam database, I already receive in access of a 1000 spam email a day
take care
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Peace Phoenix1,
You're a good person, and I appreciate what you're trying to convey.
we learned this in english class
a debate is when two people are trying to prove eachother wrong and themselves right. A debate is between two close-minded people who are not open to being wrong.I'm afraid what you learned is slightly jaded. Debate does not necessarily need to be derogatory. It does not automatically include closed-mindedness, although this may be the outcome if one is not open to considering the other's discourse. In short, a debate is two or more people presenting their perspectives.
debate
1 obsolete fight, contend
2 a to contend in words b to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments
3 to participate in a debatedialogue
1 a written composition in which two or more characters are represented as conversing
2 a a conversation between two or more persons; also a similar exchange between a person and something else (as a computer) b an exchange of ideas and opinions c a discussion between representatives of parties to a conflict that is aimed at resolutionEveryone has different views. And instead of just avoiding them, we must understand them.
Phoenix1, I've been a member of forums for quite a few years now, and have learned in the process that sometimes arguments will simply go in circles.
Understanding is a personal choice, and one that I feel is important. But agreeing is not a given. I may understand why a person feels a certain way, but that does not mean I should agree with their view.
For instance I understand why some people are addicted to depressants, but I don't agree that this shorcut to covering anguish is the most effective treatment.
So instead of just saying "let's agree to disagree" we must find out why we disagree. Why does the other person think what he/she thinks?
I agree. But once understanding is accomplished, one realizes that further pursuit of discourse will be fruitless. That's why "agreeing to disagree" is the cleanest method of exit from the debate.
sorry for the lecture.
No need. What you said was important enough for you to post it, and I appreciate that.
Take care.
Peace,
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You're a good person
of course. )
I second that
lol