Was The Messenger Of The Qur'aan An Orphan?
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You are the confused liar here, I said he was an orphan because of the history reacords AND ALLAH CONFIRMED THAT HISTORY RECORD IN THE QURAN
that is why I will take the hisory records AS TRUE, and that is why you want to manipulate the compelling evidence in the Quran regarding the word Yatim
now I was blooody asking if some one lost his father would that be an orphan or not
answer the damn question before you accuse me of being lieing
you are the confused one here who abused Dhul Qarnin when he sugggested Pork is halal, and you are coming doing the same exact stupid thing by promoting lies, non sense and crap
one of your blunders is making alcohol allowed, exactly as Dhul Qarnin did, who you want fool?
certainly not me and I will always keep an eye on the non sense you post
please answer that question that you ran from it
how many letters the the root of the word Ankaboot have?
4 or 5
and state them please
Peace.
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Peace oben
take care,
PS i was not shouting though lol
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Peace be upon you Ahmed and Truth,
As a moderator I state
Truth, please refrain from calling others Liars.
Ahmed Control yourself. Being called a Liar does not give you the green light to call people ignorant, stupid, etc etc. Your conduct continues to exceed the limits. Consider yourself warned.
Thank you Truth for ending the Argument in the peaceful manner.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed and Truth,
As a moderator I state
Truth, please refrain from calling others Liars.
Ahmed Control yourself. Being called a Liar does not give you the green light to call people ignorant, stupid, etc etc. Your conduct continues to exceed the limits. Consider yourself warned.
Thank you Truth for ending the Argument in the peaceful manner.
Bro I ws not offedned of being called a liar but I just reserved my right to responde and I used that right
I like truth, at least he keeps my mind working, he is also a country man, no hard feelings man lol
i also like you too
peace
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
What I am saying to you is to refrain from using words like "stupid" and "ignorant", wether you like the person or not, this is not acceptable.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
What I am saying to you is to refrain from using words like "stupid" and "ignorant", wether you like the person or not, this is not acceptable.
ok, can I use it if not directed on a specific member?
anyway I guess I can replace stupid with silly
how about Ignorant?
what can I replace it with mate?
how about if you give me a metaphor to use that will incline an ignornat comment, i guess using metaphors should be ok with you?
peace
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I am sorry you struggle with figuring out how to conduct yourself. As I said, the warning has been given. I have nothing further to say on the issue.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
I am sorry you struggle with figuring out how to conduct yourself. As I said, the warning has been given. I have nothing further to say on the issue.
warning to whom exactly?
to me alone or to both?
you were not clear
I guess you are absuing your power
look mate, I said nothing wrong, he is the one that attacked me first
what on earth are you saying eaxctly?
i guess it is personal to you, hey
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that was really funny
I'm struggling to conduct myself?
sure I should give him my bloody right cheeck after he smacked me on the left, hey
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
warning to whom exactly?
Warning to the one who cannot accept the reminder that was given. Truth has not responded at all to my statement and has addressed you righteously with a statement of PEACE.
to me alone or to both?
The reminder was to both of you, as can be easily witnessed, however since you seem to be the one who does submit to the correct path, you are being warned.
you were not clear
I hope it is clear now.
I guess you are absuing your power
a guess is no substitute for the truth
look mate, I said nothing wrong, he is the one that attacked me first
Ahmed, do you see that Truth has no complaint about the reminder, it is only you? Why is that?
what on earth are you saying eaxctly?
Please review the last few posts.
i guess it is personal to you, hey
I fail to see how you calculate when none of the statements were directed towards me. It is my responsibility to help maintain order on this forum.
The End.
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ok kyle
the end
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Hey kyle
thenabi sent me a warning now on a pm, what that mean exactly?
I got two warnings, one from you and one from him, for the same incident?
lol
now that is funny, I guess the human laws does not allow this, can you please confirm so I know my limits
thanks
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
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Peace be upon you all,
Please continue with any respectful debate of the topic of this thread.
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if "yatim" can be traslated as alone the argument has merit. I wonder why Ahmed refuses to entertain this possibility and on what grounds?
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if "yatim" can be traslated as alone the argument has merit. I wonder why Ahmed refuses to entertain this possibility and on what grounds?
because he was not alone, he was with his grand father then with his uncle who raised him in a healthy enviroment while providing protection and shelter to him as well
now using your own logic, Alone can not fit because he was not alone
Orphan must fit because orphan does not mean alone but it means one or two parents are lost
see how flawed the argument of those who promote it?, with no apparent gain but lots of conjestures, and the most of all it contradicts the Quran that said he was an orphan but Allah provided shelter and protection to him (that must be through his gran father and his uncle then therough his rich wife Khadiga)
EXACTLY AS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT Mohammad
that is why I will follow Allah clear arabic words in the Quran and will never follow those who manipulate the arabic words out of its context, the Quran actually mentions them and promises them with horrible punishment
peace
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because he was not alone, he was with his grand father then with his uncle who raised him in a healthy enviroment while providing protection and shelter to him as well
How do you know this? How do you know he was with his grandfather and then uncle?
Can you not accept that all these stories you use to support your pre-conceptions are a mythology and fabricated?
EXACTLY AS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT Mohammad
We know nothing firm from sources outside the reading. It's all myth and legend.
The first mentions of "Muhammad" on coins occur hundreds of years after the commencement of an Islamic period. Once the legends had spread and the myths had taken hold among the Arabs who had reverted to their paganism.
997 The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
Al-aAArabu ashaddu kufran wanifaqan waajdaru alla yaAAlamoo hudooda ma anzala Allahu AAala rasoolihi waAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun
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because he was not alone, he was with his grand father then with his uncle who raised him in a healthy enviroment while providing protection and shelter to him as well
How do you know this? How do you know he was with his grandfather and then uncle?
From the authenticated history records, and that is what is known about Mohammad for thelast 1400 years even by the non muslims
Can you not accept that all these stories you use to support your pre-conceptions are a mythology and fabricated?
The qualified ones yes I can not reject it as it has been qualified by the clear Arabic Quran
EXACTLY AS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT Mohammad
We know nothing firm from sources outside the reading. It's all myth and legend.
what is the reading first?
sounds very vague to me, however I got all the info I have through reading, that is right
The first mentions of "Muhammad" on coins occur hundreds of years after the commencement of an Islamic period. Once the legends had spread and the myths had taken hold among the Arabs who had reverted to their paganism.
997 The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
Al-aAArabu ashaddu kufran wanifaqan waajdaru alla yaAAlamoo hudooda ma anzala Allahu AAala rasoolihi waAllahu AAaleemun hakeemun
so?
the verse says to Mmohammad a portion of the Arabs will be as such, not the whole bloody arabs, also, the verse may be related to an incident opf the past as well.
regardless of that, The quran also said most people on earth are bad, would that mean me, you and all humans are also bad?,
so what is your argument regarding the clear areabic words that means orphan and does not mean Alone?
how come he was alone and he never was alone?
this is a tough querstion and yet no reasonable answer provided, other than shifting the subject to the hypocrite arabs, what is that mate?
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Hello All
Alone means "Waheed" as you can see it is close to the arabic number "Wahid"
therefore to make Yatim = Alone has no merit whatsoever
here is Waheed "Alone" in the clear Arabic Quran
(11)
YUSUFALI Leave Me alone, (to deal) with the (creature) whom I created (bare and) alone!-
PICKTHAL Leave Me (to deal) with him whom I created lonely,
SHAKIR Leave Me and him whom I created alone,
amazingly the word "Waheed" "Alone" appeared only ONCE in the Quran
it is also stricking that the verse number is 11
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because he was not alone, he was with his grand father then with his uncle who raised him in a healthy enviroment while providing protection and shelter to him as well
this is conjecture.. the verses we're consulting give us no indication this was ever the case.
now using your own logic, Alone can not fit because he was not alone
It isn't my logic but I am leaning towards agreeing with it.. It makes more sense.. read 937 too.. "And He found you lost, and He guided you?" do u now have an accompanying story from this "History" about when the Prophet got lost and was found?
I believe 'orphaned' and 'lost' here are not to be taken literally.
most of all it contradicts the Quran that said he was an orphan but Allah provided shelter and protection to him (that must be through his gran father and his uncle then therough his rich wife Khadiga)
no the Qur'an doesn't say that.. there's no mention of his father uncle or Khadiga.. could u let me know where u read this in the Qur'an?