arabic words
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peace
pls dont fight among urseleves
remember the verses of quran
4.86. When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, All?h is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things.[]
17.53. And say to My slaves that they should (only) say THOSE WORDS THAT ARE BEST( treat each other in the best possible manner) verily, satan wants disagreements among them. Surely, Shait?n (Satan) is to man a plain enemy.
RESPONG BAD WORDS WITH GOOOD WORDS
41.34. The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (Respond) (the evil) with one which is better , then verily! he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friendNOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
. so there is a root word n from this root word u can derieve other words many similar meanings rite
but i dont understand how can some pple disagree on the meanings of same word ?eg the word jild means striking but one brother enquirer on the forum tells it can also mean witness HOW ?
does one word has different meanings at the same time if yes then how ? -
Peace Samina,
NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
. so there is a root word n from this root word u can derieve other words many similar meanings rite
but i dont understand how can some pple disagree on the meanings of same word ?eg the word jild means striking but one brother enquirer on the forum tells it can also mean witness HOW ?
does one word has different meanings at the same time if yes then how ?There could be several meanings to a specific word, but only one meaning must stand out with reason, given the context in which it relates. It is simply a matter of proper understanding, which most here discuss and quite often end up arguing about in contention. And this is true for all languages and not just Arabic.
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pls dont fight among urselevesPeace
I'm not here to fight or argue with any, I only provide what I believe is the truth and nothing but the truth, I have my other boards where I can fullfill my desires to fight if I want, and I tell you sister on those boards it gets really ugly but I'm a professionl in that department and it always ends by them leaving me in peace lol
remember the verses of quran
4.86. When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or (at least) return it equally. Certainly, All?h is Ever a Careful Account Taker of all things
17.53. And say to My slaves that they should (only) say THOSE WORDS THAT ARE BEST( treat each other in the best possible manner) verily, satan wants disagreements among them. Surely, Shait?n (Satan) is to man a plain enemy.
RESPONG BAD WORDS WITH GOOOD WORDS
41.34. The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (Respond) (the evil) with one which is better , then verily! he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friendThank you sister, great reminder indeed
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. so there is a root word n from this root word u can derieve other words many similar meanings ritenot similar meaning as such, the words may just be sharing the action
for example
write can not mean writer
but both share the writing
but i dont understand how can some pple disagree on the meanings of same word ?
because some resort to the flawed method of the root and others look into it properly through the context and the structure of the sentence
eg the word jild means striking but one brother enquirer on the forum tells it can also mean witness HOW ?
I never heard of what he said before, but I know that Jild also means humas skin or any skin for that matter
it is the context that will make the menaing of any word clear
does one word has different meanings at the same time if yes then how ?
Yes as Danish said, BUT IT CAN'T BE AT THE SAME TIME, on a word by word basis, yes you may end with many meanings to the one word as all langugaes, but when you put it in a sentence it must be one meaning only as danish said
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so we can take out the meanings of a word by understanding and interpreting the word in a different way and according to the sentence .
danish u say tht this is not the case only with arabic languages but with all the languages ?
in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now -
The roots are nothing but other Arabic words that can be either 2, 3 or 4 letters, I will confirm this later when I receive three grammar books ordered from Egypt soon inshallah, one of these books is Quran based
There is at least one 5 letter root in the reading.
Chapter 29 is called by that name by sunnites. See 2941
So maybe your "professional" knowledge of Arabic isn't as good as what you believe.
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Peace Samina,
You stated
in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now
Actually, many English words are derived from roots - mostly the words borrowed from Latin, I believe. Additionally, there are countless words in the English language with multiple meanings - however, this is due in large part to the dynamic nature of human language, as these words take on new meanings through usage over time. The same can be said of any language that's been around for a while.
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Peace Samina,
You stated
in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word now
Actually, many English words are derived from roots - mostly the words borrowed from Latin, I believe. Additionally, there are countless words in the English language with multiple meanings - however, this is due in large part to the dynamic nature of human language, as these words take on new meanings through usage over time. The same can be said of any language that's been around for a while.
Peace,
TayAbsolutely right. Many English words are actually derived from French because of the Norman influence during history. The words have roots that have developed and changed with time.
Here's an example...
RENDER
render |?r?nd?| verb1 provide (a service) money serves as a reward for services rendered. ? give (help) Mrs. Evans would render assistance to those she thought were in real need. ? submit or present for inspection or consideration he would render income tax returns at the end of the year. ? poetic/literary hand over he will render up his immortal soul. ? deliver (a verdict or judgment) the jury's finding amounted to the clearest verdict yet rendered upon the scandal.
2 cause to be or become; make the rains rendered his escape impossible.
3 represent or depict artistically the eyes and the cheeks are exceptionally well rendered. ? translate the phrase was rendered into English. ? Music perform (a piece) a soprano solo reverently rendered by Linda Howie. ? Computing process (an outline image) using color and shading in order to make it appear solid and three-dimensional.
4 melt down (fat) the fat was being cut up and rendered for lard. ? process (the carcass of an animal) in order to extract proteins, fats, and other usable parts ( rendered) the rendered down remains of sheep.
5 cover (stone or brick) with a coat of plaster external walls will be rendered and tiled.
Quite a number of meanings there. The etymology of the word is from French...
ORIGIN late Middle English from Old French rendre, from an alteration of Latin reddere ?give back,? from re- ?back? + dare ?give.? The earliest senses were and (hence and ); (hence and ); ; and
Now consider another word...
RENDEZVOUS
This word has the same RND type root as the word above, though it has a different meaning to any of those above. It will not surprise you therefore that it has the same root as RENDER...
ORIGIN late 16th cent. from French rendez-vous! ?present yourselves!,? imperative of se rendre.
Note the connection with 'present' or 'submit' yourself.
In all Semitic languages of which Arabic is only a recent one words are built from "triliteral" roots (most are three lettered). These roots can be modified in a regular fashion to create analogous concepts and semantics; or they can be adapted to create nuances of meaning in general related to the root concept.
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Hi samina...
Actually, a 'root' is just a convenient starting point from which you can follow various paths to form other words. The simplest letter combination is chosen as the root.
Nearly all Arabic words have a three-letter root, which is also the '3rd-person-past-singular' verb, or 'he somethinged...'
Thus 'Sa-Li-Ma' - 'he was safe/secure/healthy'
''SHa-Hi-Du' - 'he witnessed'From these you can make other past tenses - by adding bits on the end. You can make present tenses by adding bits on the front and end. You can change the meaning in standard ways by doubling the middle letter, by adding certain other letters, and combinations of these. You can make nouns for the person doing the action, the person on the receiving end, and the action itself (compare 'to pay' with 'payer', 'payee' and 'paying'). And then you can make other nouns with meanings linked to the root.
A root may have a couple of distinct meanings, determined by context. Often noun forms will relate to just one of the root meanings.
And if you like to start learning, I have made a very small start on a 'teach yourself Arabic' website which can introduce you to the basics
http//www.irreduciblefifth.force9.co.uk/arabic.And to others here
salaam from simon who many years ago was active as 'behqabrestan' on some halem's yahoo discussion forum and OQS amongst others and recognises lots of names here like mquran, bahman (still advocating 19), layth, ...... So this is where everyone is....
Dar guzar az naam wa binigar dar sifat
taa sifataat rah numeyad sue dhatPass from names and look at qualities
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The roots are nothing but other Arabic words that can be either 2, 3 or 4 letters, I will confirm this later when I receive three grammar books ordered from Egypt soon inshallah, one of these books is Quran based
There is at least one 5 letter root in the reading.
Chapter 29 is called by that name by sunnites. See 2941
So maybe your "professional" knowledge of Arabic isn't as good as what you believe.
well, at least i don't propose silly ideas about tne Quran and manipulate their meanings, like Khamar is allowed lol
can you list to me 10 arabic words with a root of 5 letters?
also mister, i don't look for roots like you, I careless if there is even 10 letters root, can't you get that I'm a native arabic speaker and I dont need the novice and flawed method of the root to understand the arabic words?, this is bloody simple to understand don't you think?
also I would like you to tell me the 5 letters root of the arabic word , I have a feeling that you are wrong, and you will not know it unless you are going to copy from some non arab web sites, but be careful, I will quiz your reply
waiting for an answer please
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thanks darguzaraznaam for the link , i hope to learn more n more abt the arabic words and their roots inshallahto truth , ahmedbahgat , mquran i dont understand y is their so much of conflict whtever conflicts and disagreements u pple have leave it on tht thread dont bring it or drag it here , pls try to respect each others views dont try to impose ur thinking on others
tellin things to each other directly , indirectly its sad n a shame to see believers with such gud knowledge of arabic words their roots ect to behave in such a childish n immature manner ,
i have stated some verses below pls ponder upon those verses , it is not easy to follow but u can keep tryin
n wht da heck we r believers n shouldnt we be in peace with each other -
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thanks darguzaraznaam for the link , i hope to learn more n more abt the arabic words and their roots inshallahto truth , ahmedbahgat , mquran i dont understand y is their so much of conflict whtever conflicts and disagreements u pple have leave it on tht thread dont bring it or drag it here , pls try to respect each others views dont try to impose ur thinking on others
tellin things to each other directly , indirectly its sad n a shame to see believers with such gud knowledge of arabic words their roots ect to behave in such a childish n immature manner ,
i have stated some verses below pls ponder upon those verses , it is not easy to follow but u can keep tryin
n wht da heck we r believers n shouldnt we be in peace with each otherExcuse me sister
you raised an important question, I came and responded to the best of my knoweldge, then he came attacking me while he didn't give a fluke to answer your important question
so I wonder about the following
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why you think I did wrong when I responded to someone in public because HE STARTED attacking me in public?
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one of my my roles as a submitter to Allah is to refute those promoting silly ideas about our great religion, examples like "Alcohol is allowed", "Pork is allowed", "The Quran is not a name", "The Quran has verses insereted in it", etc etc, therefore you should expect conflicts, it is natural, but I have no hard feelings though
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peace ahmed bahgat
i apoligise if i have offended u in any way , it makes me sad when i see believers have conflicts in such a way , i waz not pointing at u only i was pointing at mquran n truth also ,
i am not gonna tell her who is right n who is wrong , all i want to tell is tht pls be in peace
anyway i think we should forget this topic here
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danish u say tht this is not the case only with arabic languages but with all the languages ?
in english i think there is no root word as as such n one word in english has only one meaning doesnt has 2 or 3 meanings atleast i cant think of any word nowOne word usually have one specific meaning. In Indo-European languages we also use suffixes, prefixese and changes of vowels to change the meaning of a "root". Such as hold - behold, know - knowledge - acknowledge. I can't come up with that many but I'm confident you do get the picture anyway.
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peace ahmed bahgat
i apoligise if i have offended u in any way , it makes me sad when i see believers have conflicts in such a way , i waz not pointing at u only i was pointing at mquran n truth also ,
i am not gonna tell her who is right n who is wrong , all i want to tell is tht pls be in peace
anyway i think we should forget this topic here
n get back to arabic wordsHello sister
no apology required mate, you didn't offend me, I just thought your comment is not entirely fair,
ironically when I joined, my favorite member was Mquran, but as time went by I started to realize that I didn't give myself enough time to know him, then my problem started with him when he stated that Kyle knws islam and the Quran better than anyone he met, this is shocking to say this about someone who sayd Mohammad never existed and is nothing but a metaohor, from that point onward I have changed my atitude towards brother mquran and I'm following the Quran in what I did btw, my descision was to ignore him due to his silly comments against muslims and arabs, yet he kept harssing me with further silly comments, therefore i used my abolute right to respond to him
Regarding the arabic words, please go to wekepidia web site and search for the words arabic language and you will get a few articles includeing very valuable arabic lessons
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this is shocking to say this about someone who sayd Mohammad never existed and is nothing but a metaohor, from that point onward I have changed my atitude....
That a person named Mohammad never existed. Does this truly change your entire view about things? Is the God not sufficient for you? Does it matter whether anyone existed before you? Would you turn on your heels if your pre-conceived ideas were shaken?
Ahmed you remind me of those who would turn on their heels at such things, and you are not ready to be truly free of your idolatrous thoughts and ideas...
3144 Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative.
See how clear the verses are. That the system of the God goes on regardless of any person. That the existence or not of any person regardless of what they were called is absolutely unimportant to the true believer in the God alone?
Peace.
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Peace All
Muhammadun as used in the ?Qur?aan? is not a proper noun. It is a derivative of the verb H-M-D (appreciate/acclaim/praise). The messenger of the reading (qur?aan), is referred to as muhammadun. It is important to understand the full meaning of the words generated by the Arabic root H-M-D. These words retain the essence of this definition. Mahmud, praise; ahmadu, most praised; muhammadun, the praised one.
In the ?Qur'aan?, the word muhammad-un is a *passive participle and functions as a common **nominative noun.
*PARTICIPLES come in two varieties past and present and they have three functions in sentences. They can be components of multipart verbs , or they can function as adjectives or nouns. Past and present participles often function as adjectives that describe nouns. Present participles can function as nouns--the subjects, objects, and complements in sentences.
**NOMINATIVE serving as or indicating the SUBJECT of a verb- the subject is who or what DOES the verb. In the Arabic language this grammatical singular case ending is ?un?.
Mu-hammad-un = nominative case noun *indefinite, the subject (the doer) of the verb.*The indefinite corresponds generally to the English noun with the indefinite article ?a? (plural ?some?) For example a man, some men. For a noun to be definite it must be preceded by the definite article ?the? or be first in a construct. For example kitabu-r-rajuli, the man?s book, kitabu rijali, a man?s book. The first word in this construct never takes the definite article. When the second word in this construct in indefinite, the whole phrase is indefinite, otherwise the phrase is definite. )
This is the grammatical breakdown of the word muhammadun
The case ending ?un? is singular and in this form mu-hammad-un is
- Derived from the verb HaMiDa {Definition Root-H-M-D Hamida-he praised, Hamdun true praise. This word not only embodies the idea of thankfulness but also has reference to the intrinsic qualities of the object of praise. Hamd is always true and used only about such acts as are volitional. It also implies admiration, magnifying and honoring of the object of praise, humility and submissiveness in the person who offers it. Hamd is a praise which is offered in appreciation of commendable action of one worthy of praise.
It also includes lauding one who has done a favor of his own volition and according to his own choice. It is not only a true praise but also an admiration. The word shukr, thanks, differs from Hamd in the sense that its application is restricted to beneficent qualities and praise. The word Madha, gratitude, differs from Hamd in the sense that it also applies to involuntary beneficence. The word hamd is much more comprehensive than shukr.
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MU- a participle prefix meaning the person or thing to which the ACTION of the verb H-M-D has been APPLIED. It is attached to a derivative of a verb.
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haMMad Derivative of H-M-D Form II (fa-?a?a-la doubling of the middle root consonant) meaning, carrying out an action TO someone or something else and can also give a verb the meaning of DOING something INTENSIVELY and or REPEATEDLY]
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Muhammad-in the genitive case ending. The genitive case is a grammatical case that indicates a relationship, primarily one of possession, between the noun in the genitive case and another noun. In English it is expressed by using the word ?of? or an apostrophe ?s?. It is used with prepositions (in, from, on, upon etc.) as in the case of ?ala, ?upon?.
In aHMaDu is the *elative form of H-M-D.
It means most appreciated/acclaimed/praised. Isa says "?his designation (ismahu) will be most appreciated- acclaimed-praised". It functions as an adjective. It is not a proper noun or name.
The word muhammadun can be found in the reading in three places quoted above. As muhammadun and as muhammadin, ?ALA RASUL God descends the truth upon the appreciated one . All have the same root, H-M-D. These are not proper nouns.
You also will not find this word, muhammadun, appearing in the reading preceded by ?YAA? which is common of vocative *particles used in calling one who is near, (like O!) and who is far in place or high degree to him who is between near and distant. A few examples from the list of its extensive use are O Musa, O Isa, O Iblis and even O jibaalu (mountains, yet inanimate objects but they are being addressed by God). There is no O Muhammad.
See Lanes Lexicon Vol. 2 pg. 640c ref. muhammadun ?a man praised much, or repeatedly, or time after time endowed with many praiseworthy qualities.?
See Lanes Lexicon Vol. 2 pg. 639c ref. ahmad He (a man,) came to a state, or result, such as was praised, or commended, or approved; properly, his affair, or case, came to such a state or result he did, or said, that for which he should be praised, or commended; or that which was praiseworthy, or commendable;?
Mahmud according to LL means ?the station in which its occupant shall be praised by all creatures (on the day of resurrection)?Vol. 2 pg 640a
These are the manners in which he is addressed
Mahmud according to LL means ?the station in which its occupant shall be praised by all creatures (on the day of resurrection)?Vol. 2 pg 640a
See Mu-Harram-un & Mu-Hammad-un
Form II verbs with the prefix (mufal) mu, participle, i.e., the action of the verb is applied the person = the ?sanctioned one? & the ?praised one?
Neither are proper nouns2146 Those whom We gave them The Book they RECOGNIZE it, as they recognize their sons, and that a group from them hide/conceal the truth and they are knowing.
Much of the second sura addresses the Bani Israel, the people of the book. These people familiar with the message spoke Hebrew. I note below how they understand the word muhammadun in their language. Religionists have accused them of deliberately translating this word so as to take the ?name? Muhammad out of the prophesies. This word is also used in about 10 other bible verses besides Songs of Solomon 516 and if left un-translated it renders the verses indecipherable. It is food for thought.
The 5th chapter of Songs of Solomon is discussing someone. In reading the English translation of Songs 516 it finishes the description by saying "He is altogether lovely". The words "altogether lovely" was translated from mahmad.
When writing in Hebrew, there is no difference between the word mahmad and muhammad. The only difference is in the vowels used when pronouncing this word. Hebrew is an ancient language, and there are no vowels. It is made up of 22 consonants. In ancient times, the reader decided on his own which vowels to add in. It was not until the 8th century that vowels were introduced, in the form of dots and lines. However, this has nothing to do with real Hebrew. The word mahmad in ancient times would most likely have been pronounced "mahamad".
According to Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary mahmad, is correctly pronounced "mahamad" (not mahmad) which is very close to muhammad.
Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary defines mahmad as "LOVELY, COVETED ONE, PRECIOUS ONE, PRAISED ONE". The correct way to say "praised one" in Arabic is muhammad, so this is the same word.
Muhammad and the word mahmad are spelled exactly the same way in Hebrew, and both have the same meaning. The only reason they are pronounced different is because of vowels (dots and lines) introduced in the eighth century. The Hebrew word for praised one is mahamad.Regarding the etymology of "Muhammad" as being the "Transferred Proper Noun," (as proposed by some), it is nothing more than a hypothesis.
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The sound and surer etymology of the word "muhammadun," on the contrary, is as follows
Root H-M-D
Active participle of the Verbal Form I HamaDa.
Passive participle of the Verbal Form I MaHm?d.
Active participle of the Verbal Form II HammaDa
Passive participle of the Verbal Form II MuHammaD un.
But the surety of etymology in Classical Arabic ends here. Any attempt to trace the Proper Noun to such trilateral VERBAL roots in the reading is bound to remain only a hypothesis.
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this is shocking to say this about someone who sayd Mohammad never existed and is nothing but a metaohor, from that point onward I have changed my atitude....
That a person named Mohammad never existed.
this is a dream will never come true, THE QURAN CLEARLY SAYS MOHAMMAD WAS REAL AS ME AND YOU ARE
who you think you can kid bro?
certainly not me
Does this truly change your entire view about things?
of coyrse it does, because it will make the god of that book called quran a liar and a deceiuver "Allah forbids"
Is the God not sufficient for you?
of course a lieing and a deceiving god is not sufficient to me, now at least I know it is for ya
Does it matter whether anyone existed before you?
of course it does, because Allah is not playing a game here, HE STRESSED TO US THAT ALL PROPHETS ARE A CONNECTED CHAIN SINCE THE FIRST ONE WHO WAS ADAM
Would you turn on your heels if your pre-conceived ideas were shaken?
My ideas never been shaken, it is solid as solb and will stay that way because it is based on the clear Arabic Quran "Not my dreams and wishes" and I'm not a non arabic speaker, I guess I'm very lucky D
Ahmed you remind me of those who would turn on their heels at such things, and you are not ready to be truly free of your idolatrous thoughts and ideas...
and you remind me withthose who has been mislead and flawed by satan
3144 Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative.
See how clear the verses are.
of course the verse is clear, it says Mohammad is a real prophet as all the real prophets before him, that is why he died like them, what is your point mate?
That the system of the God goes on regardless of any person.
yeh you are right, the system of Allah you want to flaw
That the existence or not of any person regardless of what they were called is absolutely unimportant to the true believer in the God alone?
wrong bid by you Oben, the Quran clearly says we have to believe in all the prophets and messengers and never deffrentiate between them, so whatever Allah told us about them must be believed as real as it can get and that is what a true submitter should do, all te others will be living delusional dream and wishes
Peace.
Best Regards
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Hello All
All the above info regarding the name Mohammad is miselading
Mohammad is a real human name like my name exactly Ahmad, like Mahmood, Like Hamdy, Like Himdan, Like Hammoda
please sincere brothers and sisters, watch out for the discord promoted by the ignorant of the arabic language
Peace to all