Peace brother "bmbmm" PLZ ACCEPT THIS INVITATION!

nazz

While the Quran may not be your typical "science" text, it does contain scientifically relevant information and scientific facts. Obviously, these facts do not 'undermine' or in any way detract from the spiritual message.

Here is an excellent example;
"And your Lord inspired the bee build homes in mountains and trees, and in (the hives) they build for you... From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people..." 1668-69

Certainly, if one wanted to learn in great detail about bees and the healing nature of their honey, then it would be smart to find a book specifically on the subject. Otherwise however, the above verse serves as both helpful medical advice, as a reminder of God's Greatness, and as a topic for reflection about the nature of God's universe.

P.S. It may be of interest to some that honey is now being applied to the skin of burn victims in place of "modern" treatments.

jonny_k

Peace "Lotetree",

Hello jonny?

Is the you Khizar, the ID KHIZAR?
What happend to the ID bit and khizar?

JK- Well as you can see i changed my ID to Jonny K because that is easier to pronounce for the western English speaking people. Therefore this shall be my nick from now on.

But according to you (the last time I spoke to you) that whole world is an illusion! So what are you observing in the Environment Khizar? What is the point of it all if the world you see is an illusion?

Regards,

JK- By illusion i mean something which is simulated, a simulated reality so to say which has NO EXISTENCE ON ITS OWN. It is controlled entirely by the simulator and the laws which work here too. The Quran must therefore describe how the surroundings of this matrix work if it is truly GOD's Word and so it does. GOD Bless!

bmbmm

I think the Quran does contain some scientific facts, which need research to be discovered. The bee and honey is a good example.

unknownuser

While the Quran may not be your typical "science" text, it does contain scientifically relevant information and scientific facts. Obviously, these facts do not 'undermine' or in any way detract from the spiritual message.

Here is an excellent example;
"And your Lord inspired the bee build homes in mountains and trees, and in (the hives) they build for you... From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people..." 1668-69

Certainly, if one wanted to learn in great detail about bees and the healing nature of their honey, then it would be smart to find a book specifically on the subject. Otherwise however, the above verse serves as both helpful medical advice, as a reminder of God's Greatness, and as a topic for reflection about the nature of God's universe.

P.S. It may be of interest to some that honey is now being applied to the skin of burn victims in place of "modern" treatments.

Honey may have its benefit but giving honey to babies causes Botulism. Still want to derive science from Quran?

Regards,

unknownuser

JK- By illusion i mean something which is simulated, a simulated reality so to say which has NO EXISTENCE ON ITS OWN.

You lost me there. Simulated reality? Is that not an illusion?

The Quran must therefore describe how the surroundings of this matrix work if it is truly GOD's Word and so it does. GOD Bless!

So we are living in a matrix like the film "Matrix"? But matrix is an illusion is it not in that film?

And can you prove the existence of matrix from the matrix itself?

I thought you have to be "unplugged" from the Matrix for you to know it for sure that "Matrix" existed.

Regards,

nazz

Honey may have its benefit but giving honey to babies causes Botulism. Still want to derive science from Quran?

Absolutely. Because,

I stand by the fact that there are scientific facts in the Quran. You can not deny them either.

and,

Infants should be fed according to the Quran and this is also backed up by modern science;
"...It takes two years (of intensive care) until weaning..." 3114

Which means, mother's milk. Modern science, medicine and also nutrition companies recommend this. Don't get me wrong though -- as I mentioned before, the Quran is not a replacement for detailed medical texts.

bmbmm

Even if we give milk infected with Botulimum Entrotoxin can cause poisoning. We just have to make sure that honey is clean and free of toxin.

Peace

unknownuser

Honey may have its benefit but giving honey to babies causes Botulism. Still want to derive science from Quran?

Absolutely. Because,

Are you sure? Then this is not scientifically correct I think

Here is an excellent example;
"And your Lord inspired the bee build homes in mountains and trees, and in (the hives) they build for you... From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people..." 1668-69

Honey does not come from a bees belly.

Regards,

unknownuser

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agentxxx

peace all,
sorry duplicate post shock

peace

agentxxx

peace all,
dublicate post deleated.
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agentxxx

peace nazz,
you wrote

"Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that we exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe?" 2130

Contemporary scientists also claim the universe is expanding. The Quran also supports this;

"We constructed the sky with our hands, and we will continue to expand it." 5147

i agree with lotetree that Koran is not a science book. It is only a spiritual guide to humanity.

for comparison this is how the other scholars have translated these verses

5147- With the power and skill did We construct the Firmament for
it is We Who create the vastness of Space

5147-With the power and skill did We construct the Firmament for it is We Who create the vastness of Space.

5147-We have built the heaven with might, and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof).
5147. With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof.

5147-And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most
surely We are the makers of things ample.

Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth
were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before We clove
them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they
not then believe?

2130- Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

21;30-Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the
earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have
made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

2130-Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and We made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?

2130-Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

if we search into older translations of quran we dont find any explosions or expansion mentioned in them, such translations are a recent attempts to make some verses compatable with scientific discoveries. God doesnt update quran but we certainly do by giving new meanings to the verses.
According to my understanding it is the best book for spiritual/moral guideline for humane beings .

peace.

nazz

Are you sure? Then this is not scientifically correct I think

"From their bellies comes a drink of different colors, wherein there is healing for the people..." 1668-69
Honey does not come from a bees belly.

The worker bees create enzymes in their bodies which they fuse with the flowers' nectar which then turns into honey. So technically, at least half of the honey does come from the "bellies" of the worker bees.

However, some translators do not use the word "bellies". I would be interested to learn of the specific arabic words used in this verse...

(EDIT Clarification; IF the honey didn't come from the bellies of the bees, AND the word "bellies" is the correct translation of the arabic, THEN it would appear that the Quran is not entirely "accurate".)

Consequently, what use would believers in the Quran have for a "less than accurate" spiritual text? ?

jonny_k

Peace "nazz",

The worker bees create enzymes in their bodies which they fuse with the flowers' nectar which then turns into honey. So technically, at least half of the honey does come from the "bellies" of the worker bees.

JK- Eaxctly so the honey, which is a result of the chemical reaction which takes place btw enzymes of the bee and the nectar, does come from the belly. It is produced there. Both nectar and enzymes mix in the belly. The Quran is not talking about the chemicals or ingredients required for honey and where they come from but where the honey comes from and that is accurate. Claims like these have been used by atheists to twist what is being implied and thus ridiculously claim the Quran to be unscientific. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Hi all,

Quran is not a science text book.
Quran, I believe is meant to awaken our souls, connect us with God, etc and with that state, its we who need to do the work and discover science.

Peace!

unknownuser

Peace peaceful-muslim and all. I agree.There is a vast world out there,with many examples for aquiring knowledge,and many things to do and enjoy.
Peace.

nazz

I'm not sure how many times "The Quran is not a science text book" has appeared in this thread. It would be wonderful however if people would refrain from posting this over and over, not least because that's not what was ever in question.

What does seem to be in question though is the accuracy of certain scientific facts in the Quran. So far, it would appear that that accuracy is still "intact".

unknownuser

I'm not sure how many times "The Quran is not a science text book" has appeared in this thread. It would be wonderful however if people would refrain from posting this over and over, not least because that's not what was ever in question.

What does seem to be in question though is the accuracy of certain scientific facts in the Quran. So far, it would appear that that accuracy is still "intact".

Hello

I could not understand an earlier query you raised, you said if the word "bellies" appear in the Arabic verse, then the verse would not be accurate?

can you please elaborate for me?, I looked at the arabic verse word by word and I found it very accurate, forget science, let's just talk simple terms as a starter

cheers

nazz

Peace AhmedBahgat,

Yeah sorry it was a little vague. What I meant was that, IF the honey didn't come from the bellies of the bees, AND the word "bellies" is the correct translation of the arabic, THEN there would be serious problems with the Quran's authenticity. ?

Hehe, does that make better sense?

unknownuser

Peace AhmedBahgat,

Yeah sorry it was a little vague. What I meant was that, IF the honey didn't come from the bellies of the bees, AND the word "bellies" is the correct translation of the arabic, THEN there would be serious problems with the Quran's authenticity. ?

Hehe, does that make better sense?

Thanks mate

yeh it makes sense now lol

the arabic word is 100% bellies, but the other important arabic word that must be taken into account is "Yakhrog" which means "proceeding from" or "coming out from", that is why, regardless the bee's share of producing the honey, I take it as 50% as you stated and the other 50% comes from the flower, yet 100% of the final product comes out of the belly of the bee, therefore the verse is 100% accurate

peace be with you