gay people and islam
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Peace sawtooth and all. Yes you are right. The lust applies to everyone,dont apply lust(irrational desire) whether you are gay or not.
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Peace "PM",
U r free to have ur views. No compulsions there. What u wanna do and how u wish to deal with homosexuals (or for that matter anything under the sky) is up to u, as long as u r harmless and non discriminatory and fair.
Peace!
JK- What do you mean by nondiscriminatory? Please elaborate. GOD Bless!
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Peace "phoneix1"
gay people might be going against nature. But they are entitled to live their life the way they want to (or have to). I know somone who's gay, and she's a good person. Whatever somone's beliefs are, we have to accept them and live with them.
So even if we don't agree on whether gay marriage is approved by the quran or not, we should all agree on the fact that everyone deserves to live their life.(this post was in response to Johnny's comment that he doesn't want to befriend gay people)
JK- What if i and many others see that a particular person's lifestyle can cause great harm to society? Should we just sit back and so ok, NO way! We have a right to argue against hs, the activity, NOT the mere thought and feelings, and how we believe it is bad and crminal.
Moreover lesbianism is by far not as bad as male hs and that was not why the people of Lot were condemned. Infact the Quran never mentions any community being condemned coz of lesbianism. Not thaat it is right but it's not that harmful to society unless ofcourse one of the women decides to stkc her fingers 1st into the anus and then into the vagina of the other. That i would consider as a big crime, whther done with or without consent. GOD Bless! -
Peace everyone,
According to myself and many others even those who have not yet penetrated but have gay feelings pose a potential health threat to society. Thus the steps suggested to be taken are as follows. First the gay one should admit that hes gay when asked and not lie. Next he should admit that these feeelings are not supposed to occur and that he has to do something to stop them. He should be educated regarding this. Then he should be ready to take a therapy, which could be hormonal, psychological or other appropriate. If he stubbornly denies all this then we should be left with no choice but to exile him from the country. He can then go wherever he wants to but leave the prosperred society alone. This is how i would like the law to be setup and i believe in a gew years one or more of the US states is going to do exactly that. This way no one can argue of them being backward since theyve offered all kinds of therapies and gone through all kinds of logical explanations before exile takes place. GOD Bless! -
Peace Jonny K,
I was gonna reply to ur previous post but this one caught my attention.
Peace everyone,
According to myself and many others even those who have not yet penetrated but have gay feelings pose a potential health threat to society. Thus the steps suggested to be taken are as follows. First the gay one should admit that hes gay when asked and not lie. Next he should admit that these feeelings are not supposed to occur and that he has to do something to stop them. He should be educated regarding this. Then he should be ready to take a therapy, which could be hormonal, psychological or other appropriate. If he stubbornly denies all this then we should be left with no choice but to exile him from the country. He can then go wherever he wants to but leave the prosperred society alone. This is how i would like the law to be setup and i believe in a gew years one or more of the US states is going to do exactly that. This way no one can argue of them being backward since theyve offered all kinds of therapies and gone through all kinds of logical explanations before exile takes place. GOD Bless!I've never heard something so ridiculous )
Heres my reply(using ur very own ideas) to people such as u who discriminate humans and cause a greater disharmony in the society.First . People who discriminate and spread hatred amongst human beings for no apparent reason ''should admit that these feeelings are not supposed to occur and that he has to do something to stop them.''
''Then he should be ready to take a therapy, which could be psychological or other appropriate.''
''If he stubbornly denies all this then we should be left with no choice but to exile him from the country. He can then go wherever he wants to but leave the prosperred society alone.''
How do u like this? Shall we do this as well? wink
Peace!
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Peace "PM",
I've never heard something so ridiculous )
Heres my reply(using ur very own ideas) to people who discriminate humans such as u.First . People who discriminate and spread hatred amongst human beings for no apparent reason ''should admit that these feeelings are not supposed to occur and that he has to do something to stop them.''
''Then he should be ready to take a therapy, which could be psychological or other appropriate.''
''If he stubbornly denies all this then we should be left with no choice but to exile him from the country. He can then go wherever he wants to but leave the prosperred society alone.''
How do u like this? Shall we do this as well? wink
Peace!
JK- Yep your entitled to your views. It doesnt matter whether i like it or not and you dont have to like me or my habbits. If you find certain habbits of certain people as criminal you can always come up and suggest punishments for them but i suggest you back up your arguments with logic as ive done. This is called freedom of speech. You can well suggest this to the government and if the majority accept this then you dont even have to worry because ill be the first one to readily leave the country by myself. GOD Bless!
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Hello jonny,
I am little concerned about you. You said you had gay feelings for a another man (I would say you are bisexual but thats a different topic)! Now jonny how can I be sure you will not have them again. So I am worried. I think we need to put into a special place so that when you have your "feelings" again, we can exile you from the society because having those feelings can be very detrimental to society, Yes? wink -)
Regards,
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Peace "LT",
Hello jonny,
I am little concerned about you. You said you had gay feelings for a another man (I would say you are bisexual but thats a different topic)! Now jonny how can I be sure you will not have them again. So I am worried. I think we need to put into a special place so that when you have your "feelings" again, we can exile you from the society because having those feelings can be very detrimental to society, Yes? wink -)
Regards,
JK- Good point LT. But ive realized my mistake and i ADMIT that ive done wrong. In that case the chances are very less that i ever involve in such an act. If the feelings come up again, then it is suggested that i get medical or psychological treatment which i would also be ready to accept ofcourse. However unfortunately no psychiatrist has uptil now setup courses for such people. GOD Bless!
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Peace peaceful-muslim and lote-tree. Love your posts to johnny k. D
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Peace "enquirer",
Peace peaceful-muslim and lote-tree. Love your posts to johnny k.
No disrespect meant johnny k,just food for thought bro.JK- No no im not disrespected at all. Infact im the first one to apply the rules i suggest to myself because this is what honesty dictates. But then again you should not be biased towards supporting hs and go through my answers too. GOD Bless!
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peace all
did anyone watch the gay muslims documantary acouple of weeks ago in the UK?
These muslims say they dont see a problem with being gay and being muslim, according to them the quran does not condemn/forbid homosexuality.
These people say they would love to be straight but they almost feel like throwing up if they have to have a relationship with a woman. They simply love other men, they are wired differently.
Oh and the Lot story is apparently about men raping other men not forbidding homosexualityaccording to the gay muslims.
ops they were lesbian muslims on the documentary too, and they were all being persecuted rejected by their families and local community. sorry if this has been discussed earlier
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Peace Jonny k,
Nothing personal there. Ur idea was ridiculous. And so, I used ur own words to show u that.
JK- Yep your entitled to your views. It doesnt matter whether i like it or not and you dont have to like me or my habbits.
Exactly!
Everyone is free to have their ideas and can lead their lives the way they wish as long its harmless to them and others. Same goes for u. So, I have no problems with u as long as u r harmless.If you find certain habbits of certain people as criminal you can always come up and suggest punishments for them but i suggest you back up your arguments with logic as ive done.
Exactly, Ur arguments werent based on logic but preconcieved and biased notions/ideas. The funniest of all is 'all homosexuals are criminals'' that u came up with.
You can well suggest this to the government and if the majority accept this then you dont even have to worry because ill be the first one to readily leave the country by myself. GOD Bless!
No, Jonny k, am not intending to make any such ridiculous suggestions to the government. As long as u r harmless and remain within ur limits of freedom, No one would have a problem no matter what ur views are.
Peace!
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Hello
The main problem the gay acticvist delbert;y turn a blind eye regarding the homos invading our schools to manipulate and corrupt our children innocnet minds
Shame on you gay activist, you acre for the adults homos and you don't give a fluke about the innocent children
Your turn with Allah to give account regarding that flaw you have will sure come, but I'm not sure what you are going to say to Him
Peace
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Peace johnny k and all. I do believe sawtooth and peaceful-muslim answered yours and ahmedbhaghats statistics quite well. What is the harm,is it promiscuity,or anal sex. if they are eliminated is gay sex allowed then? you seem to say lesbianism is ok. why is one wrong and one ok? I am not biased nor promoting being gay(i have no interest in being gay,i am married),i just am trying to be honest and not condemn people without having the 'fuller' picture of the effects of this behaviour.
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Parents Battle Homosexual Activism In Schools
By Suzanne McDuffie
Ever since the homosexual community ?came out of the closet,? it has fought to penetrate every American institution?including the schools. But, concerned parents have been hard-pressed for evidence on the homosexual movement?s targeting of teens. Recently, a number of conservatives uncovered and recorded the truth behind homosexual behavior that stunned the nation.
Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman, founders of Parents? Rights Coalition, and a number of Concerned Women for America members, who wish to remain anonymous, attended in March the 10th annual conference of the Boston chapter of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network at Tufts University, in Medford, Mass. GLSEN trains teachers and students and develops programs to fight those who oppose homosexual behavior.
?After attending seven hours of this GLSEN seminar, I felt like I was in Sodom and Gomorrah,? said one witness. ?I believe that every one of the Ten Commandments was broken in either word or deed.?
Whiteman tape-recorded the event, which featured workshops such as, ?From Lesbos to Stonewall Incorporating Sexuality into a World History Curriculum? and ?Early Childhood Educators How to Decide Whether to Come Out or Not.?
Massachusetts Department of Education employees Margot Abels and Julie Netherland, and Michael Gaucher, an AIDS educator from the Massachusetts public health agency, taught ?What They Didn?t Tell you About Queer Sex & Sexuality in Health Class.? In opening the session, Gaucher asked teens, who were invited along with teachers, how they know whether or not they?ve had sex. Someone asked whether oral sex was really sex.
?If that?s not sex, then the number of times I?ve had sex has dramatically decreased, from a mountain to a valley, baby!? exclaimed Gaucher. Using his definition, he urged a young participant to list the different methods/types of sex ?Don?t be shy, honey, you can do it.? (The Weekly Standard, July 3/July 10, 2000)
The other conservatives witnessed similar scenarios.
?After this happened, I did not sleep for a week,? said a CWA member and teacher, ?Children went to this.?
GLSEN filed suit against Whiteman and Camenker for violating Massachusetts? wiretap laws and invading the privacy of minors present at one workshop, though the workshop was open to the public. Whiteman and Camenker did not back down. They founded Parents? Rights Coalition, an organization committed to exposing the homosexual agenda, including indoctrination in the schools.
They sent tapes to media and public officials. Newspapers and television stations blasted the report. Christian radio host Geanine Graf, who coined ?Fistgate? to describe the seminar, aired the tapes on her call-in program for a week. The CWA teacher said shocked and outraged drivers pulled off the road and called in on their cell phones.
Though Whiteman and Camenker educated New England on the terrors of homosexual curriculum, they now face heavy legal costs for a trial in a liberal state that donates $1.5 million tax dollars annually to gay and lesbian youth organizations.
Massachusetts education chief David Driscoll fired Abels and Netherland when Whiteman and Camenker released the tapes, but he continues to urge ?safety in schools,? which is rhetoric to create a victim status for those practicing homosexuality.
Meanwhile, parents in Ithaca, N.Y., are also fighting off the homosexual agenda in their schools. CWA member Pat Pollock joined 700 citizens in signing a petition to combat a gay lecture series. Family Alliance for Cultural Tolerance, an organization that fights for heterosexuality and a traditional defense of marriage in the schools, sponsored the petition. Using their opponents? rhetoric, FACT aims for ?safety and health in schools.?
?Information is critical?our objections toward homosexuality are well-founded,? said FACT member and local pastor Steve Froehlich, ?The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has proven that homosexuality is harmful behavior.?
As a result of FACT?s work, Ithaca High School made attendance at the gay lecture voluntary. Still, lectures such as ?Can I be gay and a Christian?? indoctrinated those who chose to attend.
?I believe God loves who I am. I do everything in my power to do everything right,? said homosexual Matt Bosch.
Topics such as this raise the question It?s not permissible to pray in school, but tax dollars can sponsor the discussion of homosexuality and Christianity?
The homosexual indoctrination in schools must stop. To make a difference in your local school, contact
CWA State Director in Massachusetts
Sandi Martinez
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Peace johnny k and all. I do believe sawtooth and peaceful-muslim answered yours and ahmedbhaghats statistics quite well. What is the harm,is it promiscuity,or anal sex. if they are eliminated is gay sex allowed then? you seem to say lesbianism is ok. why is one wrong and one ok? I am not biased nor promoting being gay(i have no interest in being gay,i am married),i just am trying to be honest and not condemn people without having the 'fuller' picture of the effects of this behaviour.
Peace and respect johnny k.excuse me, no one refuted the filth of the hoimnosexual life style of targetting our innocent children in public schools
Salam
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Peace "PM",
Nothing personal there. Ur idea was ridiculous. And so, I used ur own words to show u that. Smile
JK- Oh no need to apologize. I didnt take it personal at all. Infact i liked that you stated it and also gave you an adequate reply. I dont believe my idea or views are ridiculous but then again this is a relative issue.
Exactly!
Everyone is free to have their ideas and can lead their lives the way they wish as long its harmless to them and others. Same goes for u. So, I have no problems with u as long as u r harmless.JK- Im not harming anyone am i. Im only stating my views and beliefs and what i believe should be added into the constitutional law.
Exactly, Ur arguments werent based on logic but preconcieved and biased notions/ideas. The funniest of all is 'all homosexuals are criminals'' ) that u came up with.
JK- i dont believe my ideas were but if you think so, then to you be your way and to me is mine. Furthermore yes i do belive hs are criminals IF theyve inulged in the act or if they stubbornly want to live that way without accepting the therapy offer if available.
) No, Jonny k, am not intending to make any such ridiculous suggestions to the government. As long as u r harmless and remain within ur limits of freedom, No one would have a problem no matter what ur views are.
Peace!
JK- Please try to understand that whats harmless and whats not is ALSO A RELATIVE ISSUE. Like i said i find gays to be HARMFUL to society. So now in my view they are not harmless anymore. And i believe both you and i will a agree that a crime needs to be punished. Now i see hs acitivity as a crime. Get it? GOD Bless!
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Of course homsexuality is a CRIME from God's perspective, anyone who denies this (a believer or not) must be blind
Several important principles which most people seem to be unaware of (particularly those who teach in the schools of law and legislators of societies) are Man has not been given the authority and power to define the nature of crime. That authority is rightfully reserved only by God. Therefore the responsibility all mankind has is to embrace laws in accord with the Laws of God. The reason God is the rightful One to define the nature of crime is because He is the Creator of all mankind. Therefore it is God who can best define what is evil for man. It is the Almighty God, the One to whom all mankind is responsible (Romans 319), who has defined homosexuality as a crime (Leviticus 1822).
Not only has God defined the true nature of crimes, but He has also prescribed what the punishment for them should be. The natures of the divinely prescribed punishments imply how heinous the crimes are. Although a particular crime is a different kind and have different characteristics to other crimes, yet it may be equal or greater in heinousness. Thus God has not prescribed that homosexuals should merely be spoken against, rejected, discriminated against, or banished from the nations, but He requires that they be put to death by every government under which they reside (Leviticus 2013) and no sorrow should be had for them.
Thus we see that God requires death for homosexuality just as he requires death for murder. This tells us that homosexuality is at least equal to the heinousness of murder. All homosexuals should be regarded by every society to be just as much criminals as are cold-blooded murderers.
Although homosexuality is at least as heinous as the crime of murder, it can be and is often more heinous than murder. When a person commits the crime of murder, he may not murder but one person and may never commit the crime again. Or even if he murders 10 or a 100 people, at some point his murders stop. But homosexuals often remain such their entire lives and they may commit the act hundreds of time. They may also spread the AIDs virus to many innocent people who may die from the AIDs.
The great heinousness of homosexuality does not stop with the nasty acts of gay or homosexual people, but also extends itself in many other ways into the societies. Homosexuals often like to have some kind of contact and influence on children. This is why they hang around Boy's clubs, or become school teachers and why many of them in America work at Walt Disney. Many of them are pedophiles and want to recruit or teach children to accept homosexuality. And since homosexuality is at least equal to murder, this is equivalent to teaching children to become murderers.
The terrible influence of the crime of homosexuality also extends itself in the societies by homosexuals being allowed to function in the societies, by them becoming prominent members of communities, and becoming leaders and serving in various positions of government. In this way, homosexuals seek to remove all rightful stigmatization of homosexuality from the societies by making laws in favor of homosexuality. Again, this is equivalent to murderers going unpunished and being allowed to function in the societies as prominent leaders of the societies and being allowed to serve in government to make laws in favor of murder.