gay people and islam
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Hey Kyle
Your excellent point regarding the design is actually mentioned in the Quran
It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the whiteness of the day becomes distinct from the blackness of the night at dawn, then complete the fast till night, and have not contact with them while you keep to the mosques; these are the limits of Allah, so do not go near them. Thus does Allah make clear His communications for men that they may guard (against evil).
(187)
Peace
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Well the only conclusion i can draw is that it is pointless to discuss many issues with you. I can't follow where you are going with anything and we are never to see eye to eye. I have no problem with you having personal distaste for anything for any reason, but don't smash someone for NOT. All I challenged was the reasoning you gave for your stance, not you personally.
I consider this discussion as far as you Ahmed, and myself are concerned, Fine`Saw, I'm nopt sure what you are going on here
if you agree that TWO FATHERS IS A CLEAR CUT LIE, then why you want to lie to the inncoent kids in masses?
can a child be born from two dads?
NO
I rest my case
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Well, a child whose is born to one father, but the mother at some point remarries, that child calls two people DAD. In my opinion, if a child is being loved, provided with a strong sense of family support and sent out into the world able to care for itself and not go on a killing spree, than ANY parent, no matter who or how many or in what combination, is doing a good job. I have no personal law that says to do otherwise. I have met children brought up in in any number of circumstances and some that would have given anything just to have ANYONE love them and be there for them EVER. There are millions of unwanted unloved children in the world. i would rather ANYONE capable stood up and took the job of being a GOOD parent than any child be left to live without family.
Seeing as you would choose to leave them in ANY situation provided it was not with a homosexual parent, we will never agree or even come close, therefore I choose to end the debate and discussion as I am just getting red under the collar and I don't like that.
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Well, a child whose is born to one father, but the mother at some point remarries, that child calls two people DAD.
wrong answer saw, I mean bilogically, not bloody emotionally
In my opinion, if a child is being loved, provided with a strong sense of family support and sent out into the world able to care for itself and not go on a killing spree, than ANY parent, no matter who or how many or in what combination, is doing a good job.
this is irrellevent, because it is a clear cut lie to tell the children that Tony has two dads, this must confuse any child
I have no personal law that says to do otherwise.
yeh but you have a personal god who follows you
I have met children brought up in in any number of circumstances and some that would have given anything just to have ANYONE love them and be there for them EVER. There are millions of unwanted unloved children in the world. i would rather ANYONE capable stood up and took the job of being a GOOD parent than any child be left to live without family.
to take abused children and make them live with gay couples is damn further abuse to them
Seeing as you would choose to leave them in ANY situation provided it was not with a homosexual parent,
if the homos will tell the child that they are just sinners and homosesuality is big sin and will lead to hell if god exist, then fine for them to adopt those poor children
also you have shifted the bloody subject here, I"M TALKING ABOUT THE FILTHY MATERIAL AND LIES BEEN INJECTED INTO OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS
what that has to do with poor/abused children?, for me it is nothing but further abuse
we will never agree or even come close,
of course, because you fear no god and believe only in this life, and I fear the only God and beliieve in this life and the heraafter
therefore I choose to end the debate and discussion as I am just getting red under the collar and I don't like that.
dood, was nice to debate it with you saw
all the best
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Ummm "dood" is short for doodie, I believe the word you were looking for is "DUDE" (uummm a little English language lesson for ya, if you are not sure about slang, don't use it, no offense just honest)
As for the rest, you have never asked what I fear or why or what I believe in as far as life so you cannot possibly comment on it.
Everything is obviously opinion to which we have free will to thank. you have your, I mine. You can say it is all religion, but i have seen your brothers and sisters of Islam disagree with you just as much. It is opinion and how we choose to interpret our personal beliefs. If you dislike homosexuals as you do, then no matter what you will find a way to justify that. If you do not PERSONALLY have a problem with it then you are not so much going to question your religious teaching but you will be less likely to justify hate aggression or just plain being mean with them.
Personally I could care less what person does with their sexuality and that goes for my own family as well (though I do hope none of my children are homosexual only because of the hatred that will be thrown their way if they are). If my beliefs had a rule against it, well, I would not be able to live that kind of inner conflict between what I KNOW is right or wrong and what something TELLS me is. So I wouldn't stick with that religion for long.
None of this makes much sense, I am tired of this conversation and I am tired of religion used as a justification for hatred aggression and just plain being mean. i have seen ALOT of that today and it is wearing on me
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Peace be upon you Burhan,
It is terrible that you became so emotionally enraged that you did not even offer us a greeting of peace before giving your thoughts.
I see the homophobic filth is out in force again, and not surprise to see AB and Idolfree are leading the assualt.
Thanks for the compliment! D I hope you will find me out front taking a stand for all themes of righteousness.
Seriously though, if you cant seperate the human being from the ACT, then that is your problem. I am not against any human, I am against a perverse act. No where do you see me stating to go out and kill homosexuals or even curse them. But we should INVITE them to what is proper in regards to OBSERVABLE DESIGN FUNCTION.
Do they know God's design and purpose better than anyone else.
Weak argument. Please provide proof of your position, thats all I can respect, not emotional cries, RESPECTFULLY brother.
God creates what he wills for whatever puprose he wills. God creates hemaphrodites, eunichs, babies with AIS and many other sexual indenties. But you are blind to all that and always will be.
Ok Brother. Peace to you.
Backwards and stuck in your prejudices, only adopting the "God alone" stance to ligthen your burden, and inventing your religion without knowledge or reason.
Wow, a lot of emotion and disrespectful talk. I'll respond to that with a greeting of Peace to you and thank you again for all your hard work with the search engine.
It is your homophobia that has led to homosexuals seeking an identity and recognition.
I disagree, it is the beating around the bush and concealing of truth that has given the followers of this perverse act the idea that it is a natural act that has caused them to seek identity and recognition.
The more you push the more they will get in your face.
I am not pushing, I am inviting and warning, there is no compulsion, but will not stand by and say, "sure, its okay to put your penis in another man's ......". No sir! In the same way that I wont sit by and say it is okay to beat women, or that it is okay to hoard money, or that it is okay to smoke crack cocaine, or that it is okay to masturbate on a crowded bus, etc etc
So make your peace, before they turn you gay
I am already at peace, you should be able to tell from my response to your disrespectful post to me and Ahmed. D
It seems you are the one who needs to work on the PEACE factor.
Lastly, I cannot be turned homoSEXual (gay means happy) because I guard my "salaat", so this media surge wont effect me, but most likely, it would effect your children or kids that you preach the message of beating around the bush to. They will not have enough defense for the attack.
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Peace "TMK",
peace enquirer
the documentary was intersting
but is their a verse that categorily forbids homosexuality?
im not sure about this
peaceJK- "You practice sex with the men, instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people."
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Lastly, I cannot be turned homoSEXual (gay means happy) because I guard my "salaat", so this media surge wont effect me, but most likely, it would effect your children or kids that you preach the message of beating around the bush to. They will not have enough defense for the attack.
Does that mean you get aroused by men but you can guard against it? wink
Regards,
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Peace be upon you Lote Tree,
Lastly, I cannot be turned homoSEXual (gay means happy) because I guard my "salaat", so this media surge wont effect me, but most likely, it would effect your children or kids that you preach the message of beating around the bush to. They will not have enough defense for the attack.
Does that mean you get aroused by men but you can guard against it?
Hell no! D
What I mean is that any form of communication effects your spirit(nafs), that is why people constantly watch the news and exclaim "How can someone do such a thing???!!" Its because the MIND can be conditioned to manifest ANY behavior, and we must guard vigilantly against such things. How is it that the president od US won for the second time except through subtle conditioning of certain people?
To make it clear, what did the advertisers pay for a commercial during the superbowl and WHY would they pay so much money?
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Paz,
I have a question for idolfree, pleaseis this the core point
perversion = the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
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if yes, then,
do you consider perversion too when heterosexual people use the 'plugs' and 'sockets' without intending to have a baby? -
I suggest you view the episode of Southpark when the crab people take over the bodies of the queer eye guys. To suggest that homosexuals on TV is enough to turn the world gay is pure idiocy. Sure they may be able to get men to pay more attention to their appearance and hygiene (like THAT's a bad thing) but they are not "turning kids gay" You are either attracted or turned on by a penis or you are not. Case closed. My goodness, how weak minded do you think the world is? Not to mention, how suggestive do you figure the human sex drive to be? This entire debate has sunk to new lows of human understanding. It's really quite simple. If you have children raise them to the bet of your ability and if you feel the need, do you best to instill what ever values you need to. BUT keep in mind we have FREE WILL and it is likely that your children WILL use it at some point. You might get lucky and they end up just like you, but most people encounter a point where they have to choose between love an acceptance and some rule or another imposed on them from somewhere. What will you do if you encounter. As for as yourselves, if you do not accept homosexuality then I suggest you abstain from entering gay bars (though they DO have the best music ) and should you encounter a gay person? keep you mouth shut, live and let live and realize that not EVERYONE believes as you do and they are free NOT TO. It is not your place to confront and convert the human race. If you do not want to encounter homosexuality in ANY way, might I suggest moving to a country that still jails and or executes people for the act. whatever you do DON'T use pathetic made up crap or one sided statistics to make your point. If that is the best you got on your side, then you don't have a side to begin with.
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Hi all,
There seem to have been more of emotional(& quite silly) posts than peaceful ones.
Peace AhmedBahgat,
Ur responses again have been purely emotional. Emotions often blur the true picture. And such extreme emotions do mankind no good.
So, u got offended by that picture that u posted. Lets take an example here. Suppose, say u currently have a 6 yr old kid named X. Say one of ur kid's classmate named Y is being raised by a homosexual couple. On an annual school function, when kids are accompanied by their parents, ur kid sees y being accompanied by 2 men who he introduces as his ''dads'' to ur kid. Now ur kid turns to u in wonder as to why Y has 2 dads? What will u reply?
I believe this is what that picture is adressing. I dont see it promoting homosexuality but adressing a reality that exsists. All the pic seems to tell is some kid might have 2 dads or 2 moms. Why r u getting so emotional about it? Isnt this a reality? The child is not asking u of the sexual relationship here or the detailed sexual act(plug& socket stuff) but merely why & how ''2 dads''? And u find it offensive that ur child is being educated about a reality that a child of that age might encounter? rollAnd I have seen u claiming in this thread that homos are hetero bashers. By the looks of it, there are no homos in this thread and absolutely no heterobasing anyways but..........can I ask u to tell me if there has been any homo bashing in this thread and by who? and most of all, to what extent?
Peace!
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Paz sister Elena,
I have a question for idolfree, please
is this the core point
perversion = the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
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if yes, then,
do you consider perversion too when heterosexual people use the 'plugs' and 'sockets' without intending to have a baby?I have to withhold my answer of "yes" for a moment, in order to do more study regarding sexual energy. I understand that the male and female energies coming together do some fantastic things besides the creation of another human. But even with this, it is between the complimentary energies of male and female.
But let me state that even between male and female, anal sex and so forth is a perversion.
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Peace be upon you Sawtooth,
suggest you view the episode of Southpark when the crab people take over the bodies of the queer eye guys.
Thier taking our jobs!! lol I saw it, it was hilarious.
To suggest that homosexuals on TV is enough to turn the world gay is pure idiocy.
Not the entire world. What you have to do is pay attention to what is going on. You have to wake up to the power of suggestion. I can see in my neighborhood the effects of these rap songs and videos. Its a slow desensitizing to certain morals that is going on, and the effects are clear. Its the same with all things, including homosexuality. Havent you ever cought yourself humming a song you dont even like? That will give you a hint as to the power of the communications industry.
Sure they may be able to get men to pay more attention to their appearance and hygiene (like THAT's a bad thing) but they are not "turning kids gay" You are either attracted or turned on by a penis or you are not. Case closed.
You are asleep to the reality. Yes, that is probably true for older persons, but for younger people, they will get the underlying message that its okay to satisfy the urge for sex with any human, and thats the wrong mesage. Likes and dislikes, attractions and so forth change. There are women I grew up attracted too that are not atttractive to me anymore. There are lesbian women with children. How does your "either/or" philosphy explain that?
My goodness, how weak minded do you think the world is?
George Bush is president of the U.S.
McDonalds serves over 2 Billion people
Gastric bypass surgery rather than eat healthy
Blowing oneself up to win a war and go to heaven to have sex with virgins
Cigarette smoking
Crack Cocaine
Let me know when to stop
Not to mention, how suggestive do you figure the human sex drive to be?
What???? Are you kidding me? Respectfuly, you have got to wake up. Nothing sells like a product with a half dressed woman promoting it. You cat walk pass a news stand without seeing women in thongs and that type of thing.
This entire debate has sunk to new lows of human understanding. It's really quite simple. If you have children raise them to the bet of your ability and if you feel the need, do you best to instill what ever values you need to.
Thanks for he advice D
BUT keep in mind we have FREE WILL and it is likely that your children WILL use it at some point.
Yes, and when they start CHOOSING, which is what the WILL does, what options will they have to choose from? What images and ideas will be in thier minds when that faculty develops?
You might get lucky and they end up just like you, but most people encounter a point where they have to choose between love an acceptance and some rule or another imposed on them from somewhere. What will you do if you encounter.
I raise my daughter to be one who strives to AWAKEN herself, to respect God's LAW. If for any reason the animal of emotions and sensualism locks her down and she chooses a perverse path, my position remains the same, it is incorrect and perverse act.
As for as yourselves, if you do not accept homosexuality then I suggest you abstain from entering gay bars (though they DO have the best music )
Thanks for the excellent advise, I was just thinking about going to one too ?
and should you encounter a gay person? keep you mouth shut, live and let live and realize that not EVERYONE believes as you do and they are free NOT TO.
For the record, I dont take commands except from God's Law. D
But in response to the rest of your statement, I do not go around telling HomoSEXuals to "stop it". But I would definatey voice my position if asked by a homoSEXual or anyone else. Again, its not the person I am against, I have no problem with having a good conversaton with a homoSEXual, and I find some of the homoSEXual me I have come across to be very nice people. But that swordfighting has got to go! D
It is not your place to confront and convert the human race.
Maybe this pos was not addressed to me, cause I never said I do any of that.
If you do not want to encounter homosexuality in ANY way, might I suggest moving to a country that still jails and or executes people for the act. whatever you do DON'T use pathetic made up crap or one sided statistics to make your point. If that is the best you got on your side, then you don't have a side to begin with.
So you dont want to address why the cost of a superbowl commercial is over 2.4 Million dollars for 30 seconds? Why is that? Whywould a company pay over 2.4 MILLION for 30 seconds of advertisement? Is that business smart? Why was Janet Jackson attacked so badly for showing a nipple during superbowl halftime? Are they saying that TV has an EFFECT??
Aw shux, maybe I'm just crazy wink
Wake up.
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hi all,
i think this discussion has been going too far. and i don't think everyone will ever reach any agreement. i respect opinions from both sides, and i understand all concerns that some of you have addressed on homosexuality.
everyone has the right to speak up their opinions and stand up before their principles.
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Peace be upon you Topo
i think the only agreement that we can reach here is tolerance and peace.
I dont think we ever disagreed when it comes to Peace. D
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So now it is, "if a kid is given homosexuality as an option they will take it because TV tells them to"? Well I kind of figure that if a boy does get a hummer from looking at another boy, well, the option was always there, if a girls gets moist from another girl, same thing. As for trying it because it is an option? Well again, it either turns you on or it doesn't. hell, some poeple are not turned on from anything so they just don't co anything with anyone. It's not TV and advertising that dictates what's gonna pop your peeper. They might get stiff easy with the right stimuli, but forcing it ain't easy.
It is one thing to see TV influence the way a kid dresses, it's another thing to see it change what get's the.. hhhmmm.. happy in the panty.