gay people and islam

KGB

Look like another person is going to get banned because he is defending the Qur'an message. He is saying what is right not what is popular in the Western societies. So sad Ahmad Baghat I will miss you.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

KGB, what part of the "quranic message" says to speak disrespectful to people? If you can show me where there is ANY EXAMPLE of a prophet or messenger speaking the way Ahmed has done, then there will be no problem.

The good response is not equal to the bad response, remember that verse?

I wait to see what verse you provide.

KGB

Peace Be Upon You Kyle

Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!

Ahmad Bahgat replied to this post direct personal attack. There are people who get away with anything they say and than there are people who get banned replying to personal attacks.

unknownuser

Peace KGB and all. The context in which i understood peacefulmuslims comment was legitimate.(in my understanding and opinion) It sounded like food for thought;eg why do people need something to be prohibited in a book in order for them not to do it? If i cause unnecessary harm to someone then i know for myself(because of experience) that this is wrong. I believe the quran is being turned into an idol.(which contradicts the message people claim it promotes. ! ) The only thing i think peaceful-muslim could have done would have been to make her comment with different words,soften it,imply it, or not say it at all. I believe we all have to address our comments to the 'level' of the listener.(i dont mean that in a patronising way). Ab seems a 'sensitive' guy which is why i do not reply to his posts with comments which he might take as harsh or attacking him. I try to follow the philosophy of trying to calm someone down,not adding fuel to the fire.
If you re-read the last few pages of the thread then you would note the downward spiral of events. I believe a valuable lesson can be learned from this,try to make peace or understanding with opinions not argument,disorder,attacks and emotions. I am married,believe me i know the value of peace and compromise. ! shock
Please,increase the peace.

unknownuser

Peace all. I dont know why we cant put this episode behind us,without arguing or negativity. How can we pass on a message of peace while arguing between ourselves unnecessarily? What about tolerance and forgiveness? We all have bad days and all make mistakes. I personally give everyone a new clean slate. .
After all,we are all family...the family of life...
Peace all.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Enquirer,

I agree, which is why my posts have decreased and with that said will come to an end on this topic for now. I am sure it will be revisited when this cycle comes back D

unknownuser

Hi all,

This thread has degraded to ridiculous levels now.
Enquirer, Savage Carrot and Idolfree1, Thanks for ur kind words.
SC, U r right, its disgusting.

There has been display of absolute immaturity in this thread. Why is that each person who was talking in favour of non discrimination of homosexuals, had to shout their lungs out constantly in every other post that he/she is not a homosexual ? becoz its an easy assumption to make? I think many even when to the extent of saying how happily married they were, how many children they have etc....

Inspite of all this, u get to hear words such as this

so please homo activists, take your B S with the homo bashers, we are not homo bashers, we only saying the truth and we know the truth will be hurtful, but sorry, that is the truth your God told us, if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol , but we fear God who prohibited it, you don't fear Him, fine, take it with Him when He questions you, but please stop shoving that filth into our throats, ok, just keep it in your bed room, and if you want to teach the children this sort of fake tolerance, fine, do it with your own kids in your home, and don't shove it upon the throats of innocent children in public schools

this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous

This is so ridiculous.
Why cant people digest diference in opinions peacefully? And why such covenient assumptions?

And I didnt see the need to justify my remark here, but looks like others are taking the trouble.
My remark to AhmedBahgat was based on his own words

if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol

It striked me as a disgusting thing to say...........is there no end to this crap?
He implies if it wasnt prohibited in Quran, he would possibly try out homosexuality..

if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol

Using ur own words, ''this is bloody revolting, disgusting and sure rediculous''.

Looks like u would have tried out everything on earth if it were not for Quran.
God save us!

I have not implied that he will try homosexuality in future (as he claims). I have merely replied to his own post where in he said 'if it wasnt prohibited we will be homos with u and sleeping together''

All I can say to that is YEEKS! He can do whatever he wants but the 'sleeping together' part along with the assumption that the others here r homos, is disgusting.

Peace!

Ps Peace Enquirer, I agree with u. I could have refrained from that comment. I always have. But what went through my mind was 'Is there no end to this?''

unknownuser

peace peacefulmuslim and all. I agree with a lot of your points sister.
I agree there are times when you need to say what is on your mind to try to correct a misunderstanding.(this can also make peace in the longer term). I did feel bad when those comments were directed at you and others,but i try to transcend 'negative' comments to the best of my ability.(similiar to idol-free. ). I hope you find it in your heart to forgive ab,i feel from your posts you are intelligent,peaceful and mature.(male intuition. )
Peace all. Ps;i was the one talking about my wife and children. D

unknownuser

Peace Enquirer,

My response to AhmedBahgat has only been

Peace AHmedBahgat,

Some of ur replies are quite shocking and quite impolite.
I believe its u who said this, to which my response was based.

if it was not prohibited possibly we will be homos with ya and sleeping together lol

U dont get it , do u? We are not saying anyone choosing homoseuality is a good thing. We are talking of people who have been born with the orientation. If all this is beyond ur understanding, so be it. But please refrain from making personal remarks about people u know nothing of.

what a stupid comment by you that is, no I won't try this disgutsing and filthy sexual act, but for someone like you who is a homo activist it seems to me that you already tried it

Peace!

I wasnt going to write what I wrote in my previous post coz I didnt see the need to justify and I also wanted to be polite.
But then looks like I had to. ops

Peace!

unknownuser

peace peaceful-muslim. Your responses were well founded and accurate.
You also did us a favour by pointing out some 'erratic' posts.(and defending tolerance). Im sure some people will agree with you,and some will dis-agree.That is the nature of people and discussion. Take it easy.
Peace all.

unknownuser

This thread is now due for closure...

Regards,

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

What was he comment that was made to you?

Good morning bro

just had a couple of hours of sleep and actually could not sleep well becauise of what happened last night

firstly I can't see that I did anything wrong, but I'm sure all the members who will see the Quran message I'm posting unpopular will come togehther in arms and in their wagen trying hard to mauipulate the facts

if you look a few pages back, you will see where things went wrong

I was directing a comment to elena and stated that if homosexuality was not prohibited we ( I menat the hetros ) may be like them and sleeping with them, thiis was just a sacrcastic comment and you will see that I addedd a smiley face straight after it

pm came with a very silly comment suggesting that if it is not for the Quran I would have tried it (she said every thing) this will include prostotution, pimping, murder, adultery and bloody everything that is prohibited in the Quran

my response to her was simple

I responded to her silly comment expressing that her comment was stupid and I told her that it seems to me that a homo activist had already tried
then I posted further evidences about the homosexual ridden diseases
and also posted the story of prophet Lut

now where I got it wrong?

for defending myself against a perpetrator who intentionally trying to embaress me, well if this is wrong then I'm proud for committing that wrong

peace be with you

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Ahmed,

What was he comment that was made to you?

here it is bro

please be aware that she responded to a comment that was not directed to her

her only purpose is to embaress me

clear as light mate

I guess she is the one that didnlt respect herself

cheers

unknownuser

The Quran is giving us an example of a hetro who is a homo activist

We read in the story of Lut that his wife went to the homos to call them to her house to see the beautiful men in there, and because she was married toa man (Lut), she has to be a hetro, but it seems that she was also a homo activist, because she invited the homos to her house to see the beautiful men

We can clearly read when the order was given to prophet Lut that to leave the town, his wife was excluded explicitly

Why Allah excluded that woman while she was a hetro then she was destroyed with the homos?

I guess because she is a homo activist

Peace be with any who follows the true guidance

sawtooth

Ahmed, you have to understand that the way you express yourself MAY lead people to believe that you will only do what is directed by the Koran, no more no less. I think you need to understand that and take a look at how you may be being perceived and why.

BTW thank you for the paraphrase in the last post, as the but and paste was getting too tiresome to read and generally causing you to loose your audience I think.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

KGB, what part of the "quranic message" says to speak disrespectful to people? If you can show me where there is ANY EXAMPLE of a prophet or messenger speaking the way Ahmed has done, then there will be no problem.

The good response is not equal to the bad response, remember that verse?

I wait to see what verse you provide.

I hope you read it in KJB comment (Thanks KGB, appreciated bro)

and I posted it again

please note her comment was very offensive as she accused me of TRYING EVERY THING, like

stealing which is also prohibited in the Quran
kiling, which is also prohibited in the Quran
Adultry which is also prohibited in the Quran
Homosexuality which is also prohibited in the Quran
all in all, anything that is prohibited in the Quran, she accuse me of committing if it was not for the Quran

see, how rude silly she was?

now I accused her of homosexuality only, and this should not offend her, because she believes being a homosexual is nothing wrong

see how she got it very wrong?

but sure the pack in their wagen will have some effect on the admins, in egypt we used to say the missed shot will make noise at least

bro, I donl;t cri on the spilled milk, I will keep saying the word of truth as it appear in the Quran and I will defend myself hard against anyone who will try to embaress me without any point in hand

peace bro

unknownuser

Look like another person is going to get banned because he is defending the Qur'an message. He is saying what is right not what is popular in the Western societies. So sad Ahmad Baghat I will miss you.

Thank you bro, it is in the hand of Allah mate, not in anyone's hand, if they ban me unjustly, so be it, they will not escape Allah

thanks again for standing for the truth bro, that is what the Quran told us to do

peace be with you

KGB

Salaam Alleikum Brother Ahmed Baghat,

No need to thank me for saying what is right. You went to sleep so I posted that for Kyle and two hours sleep is way too little for comfort.

unknownuser

Ahmed, you have to understand that the way you express yourself MAY lead people to believe that you will only do what is directed by the Koran, no more no less. I think you need to understand that and take a look at how you may be being perceived and why.

BTW thank you for the paraphrase in the last post, as the but and paste was getting too tiresome to read and generally causing you to loose your audience I think.

saw

i don't have an audience, neither I want some

regarding the Quran, of course I express it this way that Islam is the Quran and nothing but the Quran

for the preception, it is only one preception in my book, which is, I'm conveying the message of the Quran "as a muslim" to others when I see it fit, other than that, the audience preception is the least priotity for me

cheers

unknownuser

Salaam Alleikum Brother Ahmed Baghat,

No need to thank me for saying what is right. You went to sleep so I posted that for Kyle and two hours sleep is way too little for comfort.

cheers brother

I could not sleep man, because my precption that PM is a nice and decent woman, but her insitance on opposing the message of the Quran and my insistance on defending the message of the Quran made a few here hate me, but sure I careless about that, I only care about deleivering the message of the Quran when I see it fit

yeh man I could not even sleep those two hours, I have a tooth that is hurting me bad and the next possible appointment is next monday (bloody 8 days away), i donlt know what to do bro, it hurts bad if I drink cold drinks and it stays hurting for amin of 30 min before it cools down, i hope I casn stand those 8 days,

this is rediculous man to be desperate for tooth treatment and they tell you the first possible time is 8 days away, I even thought about going to egypt to do it there if the pai is unbearable and could not find a dentist in australia lol

now it is time to take my 20 month old son to his week end joy ride, he loves it

peace be with you