Is homosexuality allowed in the Quran?
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Well, I understand from ur posts that u dont accept or tolerate homosexuality even if there appear to be biological reasons to the natural inclination. So, what do u propose we should do? How should we deal with the homosexuals?
There are also biological reasons for incest/robery etc.I do tolerate homosexuals and I do accept them, I never said I don't, though I see it as wrong. Anyway, what do you think? Is it right or wrong according to the Quran?
Peace
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peace budaddy - your link doesn't work
peace bm
i cant say that i dont tolerate homosexuals. had some good gay friends but actually stopped seing them in public coz they would have other friends that just went to far - not being decent in public and so - but i would do the same with heterosexual whose behaviour i do not like...but i don't judge them by their sexual preferences - among them are decent human beings just as bastards - same thing everywhere - and who am i to judge their preference if it might be gentically fixed?
elke
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Peace all. I say personally i am not going to 'criticise' an individuals choice
unless its harmful to himself or others. And i dont see enough evidence(currently) to say its harmful in all cases.. And if others think its harmful, then tolerance and rational thinking are still much-needed.If we dont 'correctly' use our 'free-minds' then we might still be saying 'chop the hand of a thief off',or 'stone adulterers' etc..
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Peace "enquirer",
Peace all. I say personally i am not going to 'criticise' an individuals choice
unless its harmful to himself or others. And i dont see enough evidence(currently) to say its harmful in all cases.. And if others think its harmful, then tolerance and rational thinking are still much-needed.If we dont 'correctly' use our 'free-minds' then we might still be saying 'chop the hand of a thief off',or 'stone adulterers' etc..
Peace all.JK- Now thats exactly the problemn. First of all bro Ahmed Bahgat and myself have provided statistical listings as to how hs is harmful which should have been more than enough. Anyways im sure that within a few years the evidence would be so overwhelming that only the most stubborn will deny it. What then? Then you cant say "oh, but u see we didnt know this before" because we have clear statements in the Quran that it is wrong and the Quran is a mathematically coded book based on no.19. Now if you dont bother to study that code and see it for yourself how the Quran proved itself to be true and therefore believeing in all it's statements after ive told you about this, youll be held responsible by GOD for that on the day of judgement and for all the children and people who get diseases directly or indirectly through hs would be put on your back as well according to
They will be held responsible for their sins on the Day of Resurrection, all of them, in addition to sins of all those whom they misled by their ignorance. What a miserable load!
Thus please use your mind and dont just subject yourself to the media. Arguing in favor of hs is similar to supporting them. GOD Bless! -
Peace bmbmm,johnny k and all. dear bmbmm,it is not as simple as saying admonish people with the quran because whose interpretation shall i choose? Some interpretations from the quran say follow the prophets sunnah,chop the thiefs hand off,sacrifice your son for god,etc.. As a scientist can you verify that a stick could change into a snake or a human into a pig or an ape? If yes,then evolution happened in reverse. Scientifically what is worse promiscuity or gay sex?( Anal sex-you may have a point,but straight couples do this as well.) What is more harmful a promiscous man or a faithful gay man.(one who doesnt indulge in anal sex)
Johnny k,brother, i think you need to re-analyse some of these ideas you have. We cannot just throw statistics and verses at a topic and expect people to say 'oh that makes sense'. We surely must retain some intellect and humanity.show me the harm to society from naturally gay people,and i will show you the harm from 'unthinking millitant islam'.
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Peace "enquirer",
Peace bmbmm,johnny k and all. dear bmbmm,it is not as simple as saying admonish people with the quran because whose interpretation shall i choose?
JK- The interpretation of the majority in a particualr soiety/community. A country which wants to follow and base the legal rule on Quran Alone will have to study and go through the Quran and not be biased. But i believe the Quran is very clear on this subject. Jzst read
"You practice sex with the men, instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people."
I think there is no logical or sensible alternative explanation to this verse other than male hs activity is clearly wrong.Some interpretations from the quran say follow the prophets sunnah,chop the thiefs hand off,sacrifice your son for god,etc..
JK- Those are derived from the hadith. Regarding chopping the hand yes thats a valid point BUT after logical analysis of the Quran it turned out to be that the cutting was NOT the entire hand but marking it.
As a scientist can you verify that a stick could change into a snake or a human into a pig or an ape?
JK- It can, depending on the inbuilt systematic layout. Ofcourse an ordinary stick will most probaly not do this. However a certain one with the atoms arrangerd in such a manner or with a more comlex gene code can well do so. Regarding the human ape or pig id say if accordeing to the evolutionists an apelike creature can become a human which is adding of information then the reverse is much more probable and likely since it is a loss of information. I infact believe that it happened that way and therefore we see so many similarities btw apes and humans. There is an obvious relation, ONLY the order they came i believe is different.
If yes,then evolution happened in reverse.
JK- "Evolution" can be cackwards or forwards so the term "reverse" is probably meant relative to what scientists currently claim. And yes thats what i believe has happened and is a very good area for honest research.
Scientifically what is worse promiscuity or gay sex?( Anal sex-you may have a point,but straight couples do this as well.) What is more harmful a promiscous man or a faithful gay man.(one who doesnt indulge in anal sex)
JK- According to current knowledge "promiscuity" may be worse but we have to wait and see before making any decision as they may both be related or directly or more indirectly the result of each other. Regarding anal sex i agree heteros indulging in it are equally bad.
Johnny k,brother, i think you need to re-analyse some of these ideas you have. We cannot just throw statistics and verses at a topic and expect people to say 'oh that makes sense'.
JK- If all this doesnt make sense then what else does?
We surely must retain some intellect and humanity.show me the harm to society from naturally gay people,and i will show you the harm from 'unthinking millitant islam'.
Peace to you both,my brothers in humanity.JK- Ha ha as if i was promoting those millitant Hislamics who follow hadith besides the Quran. Id say theyr far worse than all homos put together since they lie in the name of GOD. GOD Bless!
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Peace johnny k. I must admit i find your honesty very refreshing. Shouldnt we admit that sometimes also we can cling to an opinion with evidence,and then later change our mind or be dis-proved. I will state that the negative energy i hear directed at sunnis,shiah,gays,dissenting voices,followers of hadith,etc.. from some members on this forum is disapointing and unwarranted in my opinion. shock We are all memebers of a race......The human race. We are all from the same family,if you feel one of your family is wrong or astray call him back with love and respect,not negative energy and destructive emotions.
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Peace "enquirer",
Peace johnny k. I must admit i find your honesty very refreshing. Shouldnt we admit that sometimes also we can cling to an opinion with evidence,and then later change our mind or be dis-proved. I will state that the negative energy i hear directed at sunnis,shiah,gays,dissenting voices,followers of hadith,etc.. from some members on this forum is disapointing and unwarranted in my opinion. shock We are all memebers of a race......The human race. We are all from the same family,if you feel one of your family is wrong or astray call him back with love and respect,not negative energy and destructive emotions.
Peace and respect to all the family.JK- Ok so the next time you call upon the murderers, rapers, drug dealers, fraudsters with respect and love and do not use -ve energies nor destructive emotions. Cant you see how illogical and unreasonable this is? When somebody views something as a crime hell automatically react more or less emotionally to it and he has a right to do so. He doesnt have to get up and beat the guy though and i agree with that. GOD Bless!
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Peace Jonny k,
JK- Ok so the next time you call upon the murderers, rapers, drug dealers, fraudsters with respect and love and do not use -ve energies nor destructive emotions. Cant you see how illogical and unreasonable this is? When somebody views something as a crime hell automatically react more or less emotionally to it and he has a right to do so. He doesnt have to get up and beat the guy though and i agree with that.
Can u please define ''crime'' and ''criminal'' for us, please? )
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I remember reading a scholarly article once, where the author mentioned something about the story of Lut in the Qur'an in a more open-minded way, with additional evidences from the Qur'an about human diversity (3022) and how everyone acts according to their disposition (1784) and also that the Qur'an just "assumes" the majority of the listeners/readers are heterosexual.. i don't know.. I would say maybe the Qur'an "acknowledges" homosexuality.. I don't know however if it is allowed.
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Well, I understand from ur posts that u dont accept or tolerate homosexuality even if there appear to be biological reasons to the natural inclination. So, what do u propose we should do? How should we deal with the homosexuals?
There are also biological reasons for incest/robery etc.I do tolerate homosexuals and I do accept them, I never said I don't, though I see it as wrong. Anyway, what do you think? Is it right or wrong according to the Quran?
Peace
that is what the hetro bashsers will accuse us with when we try to say the clear truth
don't worry bro, Allah is our witness and who will be a better witness than Him? we should continue to warn humanity of this evil act bro
peace be with you
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There is no compulsion at all, but it is inadvisable to go against universal law. We must call to what is right and reject what is wrong
The above is a very good expression of what we should do about the situation. Regarding the issue we are not talking about labeling people or finding out whether its harmful, but whether it is haram or not. And we have to admonish people and tell them a great punishment ahead and in this world for doing wrong. We just have to pass the message peacefully. It up to people to listen to the advice. As fas as the Quran is concerned homosexuality is forbidden. Period!
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even believing god is a choice, and there is no compulsion in religion. we can always preach everyone about believing in god and any religion we believe, but it doesn't mean that we are not to tolerate people who decide not to believe in god or our religion. as long as they don't harm other people, then they have the rights to live their lives, with all legal rights that come along with it as a citizen of a country.
this should be the same type of tolerance that we should give to people with different sexual orientation.
we might not agree with their religions or their sexual orientation, but we live in diverse society, and there has to be laws that guarantee and secure the basic rights that people deserve since they were born.
people can always teach their children if other religions are wrong, or homosexuality is wrong, but it doesn't mean that we are not to teach our children tolerance towards them.
if we are defending the rights of people with other beliefs to practice their religions, it doesn't always mean that we are believing what they believe too, the same thing with defending the legal rights of gay people.
i believe that practicing tolerance is practicing the teaching of the quran. if god can tolerate people who don't believe in him and let them live their lives, why can't we do the same to the people who are 'different' from us...
anyway, excuse my english i don't speak that much english, so i'm sorry if there are so many redundant words in my postings lol -
I guess homos can be muslims if they want, the other muslims has nothng to do with it, we only convey the message to them, period
if that is what they enjoy in this life, fine, as long as they keep it indoors, not display it to the bloody world
peace
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Peace "topo",
even believing god is a choice, and there is no compulsion in religion. we can always preach everyone about believing in god and any religion we believe, but it doesn't mean that we are not to tolerate people who decide not to believe in god or our religion. as long as they don't harm other people, then they have the rights to live their lives, with all legal rights that come along with it as a citizen of a country.
this should be the same type of tolerance that we should give to people with different sexual orientation.
we might not agree with their religions or their sexual orientation, but we live in diverse society, and there has to be laws that guarantee and secure the basic rights that people deserve since they were born.
people can always teach their children if other religions are wrong, or homosexuality is wrong, but it doesn't mean that we are not to teach our children tolerance towards them.
if we are defending the rights of people with other beliefs to practice their religions, it doesn't always mean that we are believing what they believe too, the same thing with defending the legal rights of gay people.
i believe that practicing tolerance is practicing the teaching of the quran. if god can tolerate people who don't believe in him and let them live their lives, why can't we do the same to the people who are 'different' from us...
anyway, excuse my english i don't speak that much english, so i'm sorry if there are so many redundant words in my postings lolJK- Theres a great difference btw the freedom in believing in GOD and the freedom of being involved in hs. The first doesnt harm anyone. It is matter btw GOD and the person. The 2nd causes significant harm to society and thus i will alaways standup against it and will try my best to promote laws which would punish those who indulge in such activities. Moreover those people who support hs should be punished also if not more than the hs themlves. GOD Bless!
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Peace bro "PM",
if that is what they enjoy in this life, fine, as long as they keep it indoors, not display it to the bloody world
peace
JK- I dont agree with you making such a statement bro since then your indirectly still promoting hs activitists to continue their acts. They should know that we believers are not on their side at all and we wont want them to commit their activities anywhere. We must never loose our voice. We must speak up against them until they get so ashamed of themselves that theyll stop. GOD Bless!
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Peace bro "PM",
if that is what they enjoy in this life, fine, as long as they keep it indoors, not display it to the bloody world
peace
JK- I dont agree with you making such a statement bro since then your indirectly still promoting hs activitists to continue their acts. They should know that we believers are not on their side at all and we wont want them to commit their activities anywhere. We must never loose our voice. We must speak up against them until they get so ashamed of themselves that theyll stop. GOD Bless!
bro, to be honest i don't care about the homos as long as they leave our public schools in peace and act decently in public streets, other than that bro I have nothing to say to them but their act is filthy and will take them to hell, and this has to be done peacefuly, as I'm not going to create my own laws to punish them, they want to enjoy life, fine with me as long as they act decently and don't bloody push it into our throats, I can only deliver the warning in the Quran
peace