sex with -wives (who are free) or wives who are captives.

unknownuser

Salaams Agent,

you can't do anything without marrying ;sorry Br.

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YUSUFALI If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may WED believing girls from among THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

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YUSUFALI If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, MARRY women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) THAT YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Read the bold please

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YUSUFALI PROHIBITED TO YOU (FOR MARRIAGE) ARE- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
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YUSUFALI Also (prohibited are) women already married, EXCEPT THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

unknownuser

That is right bro

Nakaha,means to marry, and the Quran told us to Nankah "Ma Malakat Aymanona", assuming this means captives, then the Quran clearly is telling us to elevate their status from a captive woman to a legally married and free woman, the key word is "Nakaha"

Peace be with you

unknownuser

Salaams Br,

just a quick quistion isn't their status different even though they are married then the women who were free initially .

check this

"when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women"

God Bless.

unknownuser

Salaams Br,

just a quick quistion isn't their status different even though they are married then the women who were free initially .

check this

"when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women"

God Bless.

Thanks bro

I ronically I was reading that verse yesterday, and it raised my eyebrow, but sure you logic here stands perfectly, I guess this captivity thing relating to women was so common at that time and the Quran needed to deal with it to suit the first generations it was revealed to

if this captivity thing is happening nowdays then the verse you posted must apply to them and they must take half the punishment

I guess the dificulty of these Ma Malakat Iymanona verse is coming from the fact it was a common practise then but not now, that is why it confuses most of us I think

Allah knows best

peace mate

agentxxx

Salaams Agent,

you can't do anything without marrying ;sorry Br.

salam Brother mz lol lol lol why are you sorry? Do you think I will be disappointed if it is confirmed as a truth? Brother I do not have any female slaves or concubines, but yes we have had lots of housemaids working for us, but I have never ever tried to use my position/authority to gain any undue advantage from them, never. .

mz

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YUSUFALI If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may WED believing girls from among THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

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YUSUFALI If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, MARRY women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) THAT YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Read the bold please

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YUSUFALI PROHIBITED TO YOU (FOR MARRIAGE) ARE- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
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YUSUFALI Also (prohibited are) women already married, EXCEPT THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

All the verses quoted above are discussing the issue of with whom the believers can marry.

These verses are addressed to those people who do not have any means/income to wed free believing women .
So for them there are two suggestions
They should either marry believing slave girls with the leave of their owners.
Or practice self-restrain which is better for them.

The verses quoted below are discussing the issue of with whom the believers can have sex.

235-Who abstain from sex
236-Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond OR (THE CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess for (in their case) they are free from blame
237-But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors.

7029-And those who guard their chastity
7030-Except with their wives and THE (CAPTIVES) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not to be blamed
7031-But those who trespass beyond this are transgressors.

brother shamsul-arefin provided this link for this information in the other thread, i am thankful to him.

Question
Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife's needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.

Answer

Praise be to Allaah.

Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.

A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.

This is indicated by the Qur?aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa?eel (may peace be upon them all).

Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)

?And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice?

What is meant by ?or (slaves) that your right hands possess? is slave women whom you own.
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)

?O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridalmoney given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses ? whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ?Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ?Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful?

?And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers?

Al-Tabari said

Allaah says, ?And those who guard their chastity? i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.

Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84

Ibn Katheer said

Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383

And Ibn Katheer also said

The phrase ?and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses ? whom Allaah has given to you? means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham?oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500

The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.

Ibn Qudaamah said

There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)

?And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.?

Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, ?Her son set her free.? Haajar, the mother of Isma?eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ?Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ?Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ?Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ?Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers

Al-Mughni, 10/441

Al-Shaafa?i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)

?And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.?

The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one?s right hand possesses.

Al-Umm, 5/43.

The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)

I hope you will understand why someone like me gets confused wink

Peace.

unknownuser

a mistake.

unknownuser

Salaams all,

makes perfect sense to me,no sex without Nikah.

you can't do anything without marrying ;sorry Br.

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YUSUFALI If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may WED believing girls from among THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

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YUSUFALI If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, MARRY women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) THAT YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Read the bold please

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YUSUFALI PROHIBITED TO YOU (FOR MARRIAGE) ARE- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
004.024
YUSUFALI Also (prohibited are) women already married, EXCEPT THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

ZAWWAJ CAN BE WIFE AND NOT A WIFE , SO CAN MA-MALAKAT AIMANOKUM.

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Who abstain from sex,
023.006
Except with their free partners or those who are not so free, - for then they are free from blame.

God Bless.

unknownuser

but yes we have had lots of housemaids working for us, but I have never ever tried to use my position/authority to gain any undue advantage from them, never. .

Salaams and peace agent ..
Please know that the position of your present housmaids is totally different from the female slaves in the ancient times & middle ages all over the world.

Slaves everywhere were owned by their masters and were not entitled to make their own independent decisions. As for the housemaids today, they are free independent women. Their employers don't own them. They are working as housemaids because they need to earn to support themselves and their families, just as one would do any other job. If they don't like their jobs, they can quit anytime and walk out, and there's nothing the master or mistress can do to stop them. Therefore if anyone tries to "use their authority to gain any undue advantage" it will be taken as a similar violation committed against any other free woman of the present era. The same law also applies to male servants that are still more in number in South Asian and Middle Eastern households.

This is only a general explanation citing the changing culture and systems. Has nothing to do with Islam.

However, in Islam the steps taken to defend the right of all slaves including females are many. But I won't go on to explain it again as I have already discussed this aspect at length in another thread titled "sex with captives."

unknownuser

Hey zainab ,

you surely realise there arn't/wern't any sex with ma malakat aimanokum

if you read the other post.

Is it possible Ma malakat aimanokum are the wivescheck out the following of what it would mean-

Mz357
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Prohibited to you are- Your mothers, daughters, sisters;--------------a long list here.
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom you possess by/through oath/s . A decree of Allah upon you and have been made lawful for you what beyond these that you seek by your wealth desiring wedlock chastity not debauchery for what you benefit (of it) from them and you give them their bridal due as a duty and no sin on you for what you mutually agree (of it) after (its) prescription indeed Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise .

And next ayah is about un-chast girls- i think.
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And who not is able of you to AFFORD that he marry chaste believeing women from those who (want ) possession of oath, then from girls believing and Allah knows all about your faith you are one from another then marry them with permission of their guardians and give them their bridal due in a manner chaste not adulterous nor given to secret love affairs and when they are married and if they commit lewdness then upon them half of/what upon chaste women of the punishment this (is) for those who fear sin of you and Allah (is) All-Forgiviing Most Merciful.

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YUSUFALI If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Mz357and if you fear that not you will be able to do justice al-yataama then marry what seems good to you of women two or three or four but if you fear that not you can do justice then one so is/are possessed by oath that will be more suitable to prevent you from doing injustice.

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YUSUFALI It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens) and Allah doth watch over all things.

Mz357It is not lawful for thee women after this ,nor to change them for (other) wives ,even though their beauty attract thee except what (you) possess through/by oath and Allah doth watch over all things.

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YUSUFALI Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,

Mz357Except with their mates is/are possessed through/by oaths for they are not to be blamed.

i stand by this for now say 99 percent.

God Be with you.

unknownuser