The Hereafter: "Physically" getting there
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True Peace All, trance
Everything operates according to God's physical laws, without the slightest deviation?sticks do not turn into snakes, i.e. Magic does not exist. Put yet another way, God does not break His own laws.
Due to the allegorical nature of many Quranic verses, it is likely (in my view) that "miracles" didn't happen. Moses parting the sea for example, or the virgin birth. In short, there is a physical?that is to say physics-based or mathematical reason for all of the physical occurrences in the universe.
Given then, that "magic" does not exist, and that God does not break His own physical laws, I have several burning questions/concerns;
arrow Do you believe that heaven and hell are physical, spiritual or allegorical locations?
arrow How physically does the soul get to a physical heaven or hell?
arrow How physically does the soul get to an spiritual/allegorical heaven or hell?
arrow What insights do we have into the physical nature of the soul? -
Peace,
What is physical? Are we physically here or is this all a simulated illsuion? Reemebr that everything is ultimately waves. Physical is a RELATIVE term. In a dream we think everything we touch there is physical too but is it? No it's just waves/impulses/electrical signals AND WE EXPERIENCE THEM. Heaven and Hell will be experienced in the same way. GOD Bless! -
nazz wrote
Given then, that "magic" does not exist, and that God does not break His own physical laws, I have several burning questions/concerns;
Why do you assume that the physical existence , in the Hereafter , of a Heaven or Hell is "magic" ??
God promisses that he will resurrect people in the Hereafter.
Do you think that this is physically impossible??
Didn't God create us from nothing? Why do you deny Him the power to resurrect us then??Today we can create a new organism from cloning a single cell in the laboratory. If humans can do this, why do you deny your creator the power to resurrect you physically??
Just because we don't understand how something works, that doesn't mean it's "magic".
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G'day Pazuzu,
It appears you have completely mis-understood everything I've posted. idea
Why do you assume that the physical existence , in the Hereafter , of a Heaven or Hell is "magic" ??
I don't assume this.God promisses that he will resurrect people in the Hereafter. Do you think that this is physically impossible??
No, I don't.Didn't God create us from nothing? Why do you deny Him the power to resurrect us then??
Yes He did, and no I don't deny Him this power.Please re-read my post, and if you feel so inclined, help me to answer the questions I asked.
Cheers
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Peace be upon you Nazz,
Do you believe that heaven and hell are physical, spiritual or allegorical locations?
The "garden" and "fire" are allegorical statements to describe our mental states. Everything is mental.
How physically does the soul get to a physical heaven or hell?
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How physically does the soul get to an spiritual/allegorical heaven or hell?
The soul/spirit is the "garden" or "fire" that the TRUE SELF "experiences".
When emotions lead and bring us to turmoil, thats the fire, when we use our will and plant the correct thoughts and allow emotion to follow proper thougts, its like a beautiful garden. Something to that effect anyway
What insights do we have into the physical nature of the soul?
That it is the part of being that CARRIES OUT, it does not WILL.
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Peace all. These two states(heaven and hell) correspond to satisfaction(happiness) and dis-satisfaction(un-happiness). I dont think either state is eternal,but eternally you will fluctuate between the two.
Heaven and hell are states in this life,the next life and your previous life!If you had a very bad day; that was hell.
If you had a great day; that was heaven.
Just try to maximise your good days by a positve attitude, and good actions to all creatures.(The bad days help you to learn,bad days can teach you what situations to avoid.)
Peace all. Have a great day. -
I think they are physical. But I don't think they exist yet. Maybe heaven, but not hell. Surah 81 says
"And when Hell is ignited
And when Paradise is brought near"Maybe its too simple of a view but thats just my 2 cents. I know there are some who say that surah 81 is all alegorical, but I don't think it is.
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Peace be upon you,
Question, when does "eternity" start? How can "eternity" have a beginning?
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Question, when does "eternity" start? How can "eternity" have a beginning?
"Eternity" doesn't need a beginning or an end. It is simply a descriptive noun relative to a beginning point.The "garden" and "fire" are allegorical statements to describe our mental states. Everything is mental.
Allegorical these words may be, but our mental states change and we experience due to objects in space-time that we interact with. That is, if these objects really are in space-time...Your views usher me closer and closer to a Matrix perspective on everything. ?
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Peace be upon you Nazz,
idolfree1 wrote
Question, when does "eternity" start? How can "eternity" have a beginning?
"Eternity" doesn't need a beginning or an end. It is simply a descriptive noun relative to a beginning point.Beginning point? Doesnt a beginning point run contrary to eternity? For example, the God is eternal because there is no beginning or end.
idolfree1 wrote
The "garden" and "fire" are allegorical statements to describe our mental states. Everything is mental.
Allegorical these words may be, but our mental states change and we experience due to objects in space-time that we interact with. That is, if these objects really are in space-time...Yes, they are allegories to help us understand our very real mental states and the effects these mental states have on our lives.
Your views usher me closer and closer to a Matrix perspective on everything.
Great, because that movie was very much on point D