what are emotions?
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Peace Kyle,
Using your example of a man catching his wife in bed with another man, I would say that one does have time to think before they act, if they are well versed in thinking before acting. I do agree that years of conditioning certainly have their influence, but this can easily be transcended with intention.
Peace,
Tay -
But without emotion there is no desire. It is desire that causes us to want peace. Without emotion there is no empathy. it is empathy that allows us to stop from hurting our fellow man or to understand where they are seeing things from. Without emotion we become robotic, able to rely only on instinct. there would be no reason to comunicate, no difference between us and the animals. I think you are missing the big picture entirely and only looking at some utopian outcome if man had no emotion or ignored them completely. there is a movie with Sandra Bullock and Sly Stalone where they are living in a future society where happy is the only emotion expressed. the outcome is NOT what one would hope it could be. Emotion and thumbs are what make us human.
Desire sparks emotion; desires can be dispensed with, for, desire has an inherent quality of selfishness. Our only need is patience towards realizing our god send needs. In order that we preserve peace at any cost patience shall prevail over desires. Patience is peace. Patience is anti emotion;neither peace is an emotion.
Animals only fulfil their just needs and live peacefully, unlike man who pursuits desires beyond his just needs.
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So in the Name of God most Compassionate - is a load of nonsense?
Compassion if in our language is called desire, elevate it to the level of "wish and will" for as you call it, desire or emotion is a primitive survival instinct. We humans live not by instinct but by intution, the timely help and guidance from god. Emotions can be greatly contained by patience. Patience is a gift from the most compassionate.
Are you REALLY SERIOUS?
Fear is an EMOTION. It is a primitive survival instinct. -
Peace sultana
u wroteAnimals only fulfil their just needs and live peacefully
I live surrounded by animals and can tell u that they also have emotions like jealousy, to cite only that one, normally attributed to humans...
lk
totally agree with that. got a dog who is playful and also got scared...
Desire sparks emotion; desires can be dispensed with, for, desire has an inherent quality of selfishness. Our only need is patience towards realizing our god send needs. In order that we preserve peace at any cost patience shall prevail over desires. Patience is peace. Patience is anti emotion;neither peace is an emotion. Animals only fulfil their just needs and live peacefully, unlike man who pursuits desires beyond his just needs.
Peace Sultana,
But I do think peace is also a type of emotion. Serenity/peace is a by-product of concentration and bliss, which we all love inherently; yet i do not believe that ALL patience is peace. A Master Thief's patience in waiting for a theft plan to unroll is not peaceful in the end for the owner... (
Desire for having a good spiritual life and close bond to God sparks does indeed induce emotion; sometimes it feels unworthy of; sometimes it feel like it was three mountains afar; sometimes we think we have it but we not; but it was noble goal and i do think there was nothing wrong with that particular desire (passion) -
Compassion if in our language is called desire, elevate it to the level of "wish and will" for as you call it, desire or emotion is a primitive survival instinct.
A definition of compassion
a deep awareness of and sympathy for another's suffering
There is nothing desireable in above.
We humans live not by instinct but by intution, the timely help and guidance from god. Emotions can be greatly contained by patience. Patience is a gift from the most compassionate.
Erm...Intuition is instintive knowledge... -)
Definitions of intuition
instinctive knowing (without the use of rational processes)Regards,
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But without emotion there is no desire. It is desire that causes us to want peace. Without emotion there is no empathy. it is empathy that allows us to stop from hurting our fellow man or to understand where they are seeing things from. Without emotion we become robotic, able to rely only on instinct. there would be no reason to comunicate, no difference between us and the animals. I think you are missing the big picture entirely and only looking at some utopian outcome if man had no emotion or ignored them completely. there is a movie with Sandra Bullock and Sly Stalone where they are living in a future society where happy is the only emotion expressed. the outcome is NOT what one would hope it could be. Emotion and thumbs are what make us human.
Desire sparks emotion; desires can be dispensed with, for, desire has an inherent quality of selfishness. Our only need is patience towards realizing our god send needs. In order that we preserve peace at any cost patience shall prevail over desires. Patience is peace. Patience is anti emotion;neither peace is an emotion.
Animals only fulfil their just needs and live peacefully, unlike man who pursuits desires beyond his just needs.
Well I would rather end up in a firey hell for eternity than live without passion for what I believe in, love for my child, anger at the wrongs of teh world, frustration with my own shortcoming etc. A life that denies emotion is a life that denies growth
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Peace be upon you Lote Tree,
idolfree1 wrote
The bottom line is that we do not deny emotions, we only prevent them from LEADING US, they are only to be servants.Whats wrong being led by LOVE and COMPASSION? If we all are led by LOVE and COMPASSION the world would be such a nice place...
Ask the battered woman who stays with her husband because of "love".
Natural emotions should never be SURPRESSED because suppressed emotions will always express itself in most deviant forms.
Yes, we should not suppress emotions. Suppressing emotions means that even though you have not acted on the emotion, you are still NOURTURING the thoughts in your head of manifesting it. The object is to REPROGRAM the thought response, therefore it is not emotion. It is difficult indeed except for the humble.
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Peace be upon you Sawtooth,
I think it is better to acknowledge the emotion as it is the natural reaction to a situation bt then decide how to REACT to it.
Whats natural about it? Please reflect on the following, everyone does not react the same way to the same TRIGGER. Therefore, we cant say natural. The natural response to all triggers is PEACE (Peace be upon you), then you are to REASON the correct emotion to follow. Solomon teaches us how to use the emotions as servants.
Its all about how you have CONDITIONED yourself (or been coditioned by others) to RESPOND to a certain situations. if you take time to study yourself, you will realize that you go over certain scenarios in your head everyday regarding how you would respond if certain things happen. This is how you program your responses. So when it happens, these same thoughts and images come to your sphere of awareness as a reaction/auto reflex.
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Peace be upon you Tay,
Using your example of a man catching his wife in bed with another man, I would say that one does have time to think before they act, if they are well versed in thinking before acting. I do agree that years of conditioning certainly have their influence, but this can easily be transcended with intention.
Yes you are right, but I was speaking of most people who do not cultivate the SEPERATION between the "I" and the thoughts and images that come to you. We CERTAINLY have time to think, but most people act on the thouts and images that come as an automatic reflex. Instead of ignoring those thoughts/emotions and calming down in order to reason properly, the animal attacks.
Thanks for poiting out the clarification.
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Peace be upon yuo Elke,
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Animals only fulfil their just needs and live peacefullyI live surrounded by animals and can tell u that they also have emotions like jealousy, to cite only that one, normally attributed to humans...
I agree, animals are the perfect examples of emotions. Emotion and Animation are similar. Emotions are what animates being. This is why the human is always compared to an animal in "Koran". We are being shown our emotional/animal nature that must be used properly.
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Peace be upon you,
Peace is the opposite polarity of emotion. Peace is stillness, emotion is animation/movement.
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Ask the battered woman who stays with her husband because of "love".
This is nothing to do with cultivating LOVE and COMPASSION within yourself for yourself and for others.
You have to come up with a better argument Kyle! D
The object is to REPROGRAM the thought response, therefore it is not emotion. It is difficult indeed except for the humble.
No, object is to come to terms with negative emotions. Accept them as normal but cultivate and nurture those positive emotions of LOVE and COMPASSION instead of destructive ones.
Regards,
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Peace be upon you Lote Tree,
Let me take you back a step, because you might be getting off track
idolfree1 wrote
The bottom line is that we do not deny emotions, we only prevent them from LEADING US, they are only to be servants.Lote Tree
Whats wrong being led by LOVE and COMPASSION? If we all are led by LOVE and COMPASSION the world would be such a nice place...IF1
Ask the battered woman who stays with her husband because of "love".So, the question you asked was "whats wrong with BEING LED by Love and compassion", my answer is a clear example of what can be wrong with it. Do you agree?
Or how about one who "loves" smoking crack, should they be led by that emotion?
And there are many more examples that show what is wrong with being led b the lower part of man rather than the higher.
IF1
The object is to REPROGRAM the thought response, therefore it is not emotion. It is difficult indeed except for the humble.Lote Tree
No, object is to come to terms with negative emotions. Accept them as normal but cultivate and nurture those positive emotions of LOVE and COMPASSION instead of destructive ones.E-Motion is movement, Peace is stillness. Our respose to all things should be peace, THEN movement must be commanded. Peace is what is natural, emotions are that which is already DOING SOOMETHING, already pushing or pulling us to a certaint end/goal. Who decided that goal?
If you are standing STILL at a crossraod trying to decide if you are going left or right, and then someone(emotion) comes and pushed you left, did you decide?
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Peace be upon you Sawtooth,
I think it is better to acknowledge the emotion as it is the natural reaction to a situation bt then decide how to REACT to it.
Whats natural about it? Please reflect on the following, everyone does not react the same way to the same TRIGGER. Therefore, we cant say natural. The natural response to all triggers is PEACE (Peace be upon you), then you are to REASON the correct emotion to follow. Solomon teaches us how to use the emotions as servants.
Its all about how you have CONDITIONED yourself (or been coditioned by others) to RESPOND to a certain situations. if you take time to study yourself, you will realize that you go over certain scenarios in your head everyday regarding how you would respond if certain things happen. This is how you program your responses. So when it happens, these same thoughts and images come to your sphere of awareness as a reaction/auto reflex.
Our physical respnse is not condition, just individual, it is our REACTION that becomes conditioned and also becomes the hardest "habbit" to break. Some people become conditioned to react to anger or frustration with physical violence because of their upbringing. Feeling something is not a choice, it just happens, but you DO CHOOSE how you react to that feeling.
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Hello Kyle,
So, the question you asked was "whats wrong with BEING LED by Love and compassion", my answer is a clear example of what can be wrong with it. Do you agree?
No. I dissagree. I can't see how cultivating love and compassion within yourself for yourself and those that have you around leads to being a battered women or man! Nor can I see how being led by feelings of LOVE and COMPASSION for yourself and others leads to being a battered women or man!
You are confusing human abuse that has nothing do with the concept of LOVE and COMPASSION. Compassion is being able to feel the suffering of others. You don't have to be in a relationship with another individual to have the feeling of compassion for yourself and your fellow human beings.
The battered women is an example of abuse and abuse is always about the power-play between the Weak and the Strong in a relationship.
There is no HATE in LOVE itself there is no ANGER in compassion. We can all cultivate love and compassion individually for ourselves and for others. All we have to do is look beyond "I LOVE YOU" understanding of LOVE and COMPASSION and see LOVE and COMPASSION for what it is LOVE and COMPASSION allows us to connect with other human beings.
Or how about one who "loves" smoking crack, should they be led by that emotion?
Please don't equate substance abuse with the concept of LOVE and COMPASSION.
And there are many more examples that show what is wrong with being led b the lower part of man rather than the higher.
LOVE and COMPASSION is the HIGHER part of man. Without LOVE and COMPASSION for your fellow man and yourself you will not able to attain "PEACE", the peace you so desperately seek.
E-Motion is movement, Peace is stillness.
No. PEACE is not Stillness. PEACE is HARMONY within yourself.
Our respose to all things should be peace, THEN movement must be commanded.
Our responses to all things must be natural. So you should feel ANGER when you see injustice. You should feel JOY when you see beauty. You should feel FEAR when you are confronted with the danger.
Peace is what is natural, emotions are that which is already DOING SOOMETHING, already pushing or pulling us to a certaint end/goal. Who decided that goal?
EMOTIONS are natural. Some emotions are DESTRUCTIVE like HATE and ANGER. Some emotions are positive like LOVE and COMPASSION. You come to terms with the NEGATIVE EMOTIONS through understanding but you don't deny or REPROGRAM your emotions. You accept them as natural but you cultivate and nurture the POSITIVE emotions within yourself to minimise the destructive effects of the negative...
Regards,
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Peace Kyle,
You stated
Thanks for pointing out the clarification
You're welcome, bro. We're all here to refine each other and ourselves wink Which brings me to your comment to Lote Tree
how about one who "loves" smoking crack, should they be led by that emotion?
I disagee with this qualification in that using the term "love" in a sentence does not equate to the emotion of love that is being discussed. One can say they "love" to get high, but that is just an expression of what that person perceives as enjoyment.
In short, "I love my wife" is not equal to "I love crack". These are 2 completely different uses of the term.
Further, you used the example of a battered wife who stays with her husband because she's in love. I don't think this is possible. One cannot love a person and then accept belittlement and abuse from that person. The people that stick around are handicapped by insecurity and zero self-respect. Their feelings have nothing to do with love.
Peace,
Tay