what are emotions?
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Wow Loti when did you turn philosopher lol
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Just yesterday bmbmm when I was looking at my reflection in the mirror and I told myself I could have done a better job than that!!!!
Just kiddin -)
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I love what you wrote, LT. Now I want to read the whole thread!
Really? -) I try to impress !!! -)
Just kiddin -)Long time no see?
Welcome back -)
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peace Lote Tree and all
Kyle the argument is that can't stop FEELING. You come to terms with your feelings. So when you feel anger, you let yourself feel anger but you learn not to take a dagger and stab someone through the heart.
That is controlling your emotion.
I dont think anyone is saying you should get rid of your emotions, or learn not to have feelings, but to control your emotions and feelings. If you control something, it follows you.
I dont know what the fuss is all about.
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peace Lote Tree and all
Kyle the argument is that can't stop FEELING. You come to terms with your feelings. So when you feel anger, you let yourself feel anger but you learn not to take a dagger and stab someone through the heart.
That is controlling your emotion.
I dont think anyone is saying you should get rid of your emotions, or learn not to have feelings, but to control your emotions and feelings. If you control something, it follows you.
I dont know what the fuss is all about.
I think people are saying the same thing (with slight differences) but using different words.no that is accepting the emotion and controlliing your reaction
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Peace Kyle,
You stated
I am speaking in terms of how the word is used by the majority of mankind, which is why I put it in quotes.
I understand.
True Love is giving seeking nothing in return.
I partially agree. True love is it's own reward, so it's not really "nothing" in return, it's more love that comes back to the sender. In giving, we are always receiving love.
many people say they "love" thier spouse, but they curse at them, cheat on them, abuse them, etc.
Point taken. But I would also say that many people do love their spouses.
I disagree. The abused can still love the abuser by getting them help and leaving the relationship.
But then, they're not accepting the belittlement and the abuse, they are trying to resolve it. This is different from the example you originally gave. But no worries, I think we're on the same page, just speaking different dialects wink
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Peace to you Kyle,
Peace be upon you Taj,
Kyle wrote
E-Motion is movement, Peace is stillness.Movement is life. Peace is not stillness. Stillness is equal to nothing.
Is there such a thing as a still atom!? Imagine that!No, but thats what happens when your focus is on the ILLUSION of this world, the material world.
The I-L-L-U-S-I-O-N of this world!! Can you explain it, please?
The PEACE/STILLNESS I am referring to is the opposite polarity of this world, from which we come and will be returned to.
The opposite polarity of this world!? It certainly is a dimension you know nothing about, or do you remember how it was like when you were there!? You even were not when it was there! Also, based on what, can you predict of what will happen to you when you leave this world, or whether it would be opposite or not?
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Hi all,
I think people are saying the same thing (with slight differences) but using different words.
Yeah, both LT and Idolfree are saying the same thing...........using different words. But somehow the simple stuff has been made to sound so complicated....P ....polarity of the worlds?
And Idolfree, a battered woman doesnt really stay with her partner coz of love though she may say so.......she stays becoz of insecurities(can be any such as financial , social, emotional etc) unless she is a strange woman herself who enjoys being beaten up.Peace!
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I think people are saying the same thing (with slight differences) but using different words.
Incorrect. I am saying different thing on PEACE and EMOTIONS.
Firstly EMOTIONS - Some people are saying EMOTIONS are our Animal Part of our being. But I am saying there is nothing Animalisitc about LOVE and COMPASSION. Far from LOVE and COMPASSON being Animalistic, LOVE and COMPASSION is the most HUMAN of EMOTIONS. LOVE and COMPASSION is the HIGHEST PART OF MAN. Without LOVE and COMPASSION for yourself and others PEACE is not attained. And this is NOW is agreed upon!
So if LOVE and COMPASSION is HIGHEST part of MAN - how does being lead by the HIGHEST PART OF MAN leads to battered women? This is what I can't understand.
We feel EMOTIONS and that is natural. And everyone has agreed upon that.
But you don't REPROGRAM your emotions. REPROGAMMING is UNNATURAL. REPROGRAMMING is BRAIN-WASHING. Feeling JOY and SADNESS these are natural. But we do and can and learn to moderate our physical behaviour when we are experiencing strong emotions.
I am also saying that experienceing strong emotions is beneficial to the individual because it leads to "Catharsis".
Catharsis - is a sudden emotional breakdown or climax that constitutes overwhelming feelings of great pity, sorrow, laughter, or any extreme change in emotion that results in the renewal, restoration and revitalization for living.
Great wise figures of the past and the Hebrew Prophets, Seers and Mystics have undergone similiar Catharsis of emotions when they encountered the Divine. They too experienced great renewal and restoration of their spirit.
Secondly PEACE - Some people are saying PEACE is STILLNESS. I am saying PEACE is not STILLNESS. PEACE is HARMONY within yourself in the context of a human being. PEACE in the context of nations is cessation of war and harmonious relationship between nations. PEACE in the context of society is the harmonious relationship between individuals in the that society etc.
I hope thats all clear now.
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Paz
Hola Lote Tree.
Love and compassion higuest part of man if the man directs them to right ends. Imagine a person who feels so compassionate towards a criminal that he helps him to escape the justice.
Peace as stilness in opposition to emotion as movement.
I'd say reprogramming and moderating in this context are the same.
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Peace be upon you Sawtooth.
Lets go with an easier example
FEAR
Fear... the imediate NATURAL UNCONTROLED reflexive reaction is the bosy's release of adrenaline. The CONTROLLED CONDITIONED RESPONSE to that reflexive reaction is often to scream.
NOW do you see what I mean?
Good example, now let me give you a scenario. A man and woman are watching a horror movie, there is a scary scene which we will use as the TRIGGER, the woman jumps while adrenaline pumps through her, the man is unmoved, no adrenaline pumps. In fact, lets even state that the Man has already saw the movie and is expecting this scene. Now they both still view the same TRIGGER, but the responses are different. Please give me your views on that.
As for a child feeling embarrassment, it accurs when they begin to realise their place in a world existing outside of themselves, usually around 2.5-3.5 years depending on the child.
Lets just forget about this example cause this will go nowhere.
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I already said the triggers for each person are different and grow and change along with everything else in teh body as we mature. I will concede that even the triggers can be conditioned, but not the adrenaline reaction. When one gets scared or even startled, the adrenaline rushes. What I am saying is that each emotion creates it's own reflexive reaction and what we control is how we react to that. BUT you cannot CONTROL that reflexive action, unless you are way into things like biorythms an the such.
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Hi Lotetree,
I think people are saying the same thing (with slight differences) but using different words.
Incorrect. I am saying different thing on PEACE and EMOTIONS.
If u insist. )
Firstly EMOTIONS - Some people are saying EMOTIONS are our Animal Part of our being. But I am saying there is nothing Animalisitc about LOVE and COMPASSION. Far from LOVE and COMPASSON being Animalistic, LOVE and COMPASSION is the most HUMAN of EMOTIONS. LOVE and COMPASSION is the HIGHEST PART OF MAN. Without LOVE and COMPASSION for yourself and others PEACE is not attained. And this is NOW is agreed upon!
Hmm, Would that mean animals do not experience love and compassion?
So if LOVE and COMPASSION is HIGHEST part of MAN - how does being lead by the HIGHEST PART OF MAN leads to battered women? This is what I can't understand.
There is no love or compassion in the battered woman example for sure.
We feel EMOTIONS and that is natural. And everyone has agreed upon that.
Yes
But you don't REPROGRAM your emotions. REPROGAMMING is UNNATURAL. REPROGRAMMING is BRAIN-WASHING. Feeling JOY and SADNESS these are natural. But we do and can and learn to moderate our physical behaviour when we are experiencing strong emotions.
I would say we can....i.e, we can correct wrong emotions.
For eg, let me give u an example of a middle aged lady. She told me once that she worries a lot. Whenever her husband doesnt return home on his usual time, her heart starts to race as she thinks the worst such as he might have met with an accident and so on.........This happens to her naturally, right?.........irrational thoughts leading to the wrong emotions.....now, if for a moment, when she gets that thought, she calms herself and thinks rationally and realistically........she would realise that her husband not having reached home on his usual time does not necessarily mean that he met with an accident.........that it could be something simple as well, like he might have just been caught up in work, or would have gone to buy something on his way etc........now when she reprograms her thoughts realistically and rationally, she will not have that irrational fear anymore.Brain washing would be when a person is dishonest to him or herself. For eg, if one likes something and he repeatedly tells himself that he doesnt like it, it would be brain washing. Obviously that is wrong coz we need to be honest to our own souls first.
Reprogramming is more about correcting the wrong emotions and being more honest as well as rational.
Secondly PEACE - Some people are saying PEACE is STILLNESS. I am saying PEACE is not STILLNESS. PEACE is HARMONY within yourself in the context of a human being. PEACE in the context of nations is cessation of war and harmonious relationship between nations. PEACE in the context of society is the harmonious relationship between individuals in the that society etc.
I would say peace is both stillness and also being in harmony with oneself.
True Emotions are definitely good but in extreme levels, they can also impair ur vision of reality. Even love. When a person is very much in love, he doesnt see things as they are. He seees it with a different vision altogether, in a way, loosing sense of reality.So, I would say emotions are good as long as they are honest, rational, correct and constructive. If we feel, they rnt, it would mean its time to re-examine our thoughts.
Peace!
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Peace be upon you Lote Tree,
I have skipped past the first part. While I can look back and see clearly that the question you asked was clear, I will move past that.
Emotions comes naturally. You can't make emotions follow reason.
Hopefully one day you will reach the level where you KNOW that you can.
Example, you are out of shape and you REASON that you have to start getting up in the morning and work out. In the morning, your EMOTIONS will fight you and push you to stay in bed, so you have to IGNORE that ENERGY and go do it anyway. If you continue to do so with the frame of mind that it is thr correct thing to do (reason), then after time your EMOTIONS will get behind you.
I had this happen with Carrot Juice. I did not like it but I knew it was god for me, so I would juice it up and drink it, now I love it. How is that possible?
You feel emotions.
Absolutely, because it is ENERGY in motion, E-motion. I am in total agreement with that, but the discussion is about being able to REPROGRAM the response to triggers. If the emotion does not come, how can one FEEL it? My mouth does nt water from the smell of pork bacon(trigger) anymore, why?
How you deal with your emotions comes from experience.
The "you" who you are if free from energy, so how can you DEAL with energy? Your power is the FREEDOM to IGNORE the emotions and to reprogram the correct response to any given situation. Anyone who has given up a habit can verify that they did so by IGNORING the urges when they came to your mind. After a while, the urges disappated, how is that?
LT
LOVE and COMPASSION is the HIGHER part of man. Without LOVE and COMPASSION for your fellow man and yourself you will not able to attain "PEACE", the peace you so desperately seek.IF1
Absolutely correct, when properly understood.Kyle you are confusing people here! And you are now making people feel dumb too when you say properly understood!
I'm sorry, I did not see anyone say they felt dumb. But if they do FEEL that, I hope they will IGNORE that emotion and continue to reason with me while I continue to elaborate on this.
You mean to say you only understand it and others don't so you can say EMOTIONS is our lower part of man or animal part of life?
I have verified that statement time and time again, and this world has no shortage of examples. I am here sharing what I have verified and have been studying intensely for teh past two years in paticular. So when you KNOW, you speak confidently. I am in no way tryin to belittle anyone and you should not try to shade the conversation to make it seem that way. Lets stick to the facts.
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But both you and I know that mankind is "attracted" to that which is not good for him/her, and this is what is being called "love" by most of mankind and this is the topic being dealt with. Do you agree or disagree.LT
I dissagree.I could not find the verse that states the human being wishes or prays for that which is bad for him, if someone can recall that verse, please provide
Some human beings have always been "attracted" to the good and some human beings have always been "attracted" to the bad. Majority hover on the borderline between good and bad. But I like to believe that majority always leans towards the good.
Okay
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Harmony is harmony, peace is stillness.Lets play word games Kyle.
Definition of PEACE = cessation of War. The usual context of its meaning.
When the war is over Kyle, people don't stay STILL. They go about their daily life. This PEACE is in the context of a SOCIETY.
No, people dont stay still, but the comparison is the ACTIVITY of WAR. Can you fight laying in bed? So PEACE in this context is used as a metaphor, not literal. There is NOTHING in the illusion of this world that is STILL. Everything vibrates. But EVERYTHING is trying to recapture its original essence, PEACE. Example, if you take a piece of pape and drop it, what does it do? Everything is tryin to achieve that STILLNESS, that Peace. When you are stressed out from EMOTION, what do most people do? Go lay down.
Here is more definition of PEACE.
Definitions of peace on the Web
PEACE - the state prevailing during the absence of war
PEACE - harmonious relations; freedom from disputes; "the roommates lived in peace together"
PEACE - the absence of mental stress or anxiety
PEACE - the general security of public places; "he was arrested for disturbing the peace"
PEACE - a treaty to cease hostilities; "peace came on November 11th"Can you see the word STILLNESS in the above list Kyle? No! But HARMONY is there!
http//www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Main Entry 2peace
Function intransitive verb
obsolete to be, become, or keep silent or quietThis is more in line with what I am talking about. MOVEMENT is what creates sound, so how does one attain silence/quiet?
That should be sufficient but I want to show you what I fond under the first entry
1 a state of tranquillity or quiet as a freedom from civil disturbance b a state of security or order within a community provided for by law or custom <a breach of the peace>
2 freedom from disquieting or oppressive thoughts or emotions
3 harmony in personal relations
4 a a state or period of mutual concord between governments b a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity
5 -- used interjectionally to ask for silence or calm or as a greeting or farewell- at peace in a state of concord or tranquillity
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We go from Stillness to motion . Just like the line used on an EKG machine that goes to a still flat line at death.If you use PEACE in the context of a BODY then DEAD BODY is STILL!
Not really, the molecules, from which all things are made, are still moving.
and therefore STILLNESS is death in this case but a live body will not be STILL. So in the PEACE in the context of BODY is OUGHT not to be desired!
Maybe you should relate it to sleep, then you will see how crave this STILLNESS and cant go long without charging up from this Stillness.
Stillness be upon you
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All comes from the subjective realm, where energy/matter us at rest and unformed, to the objective realm where all things vibrate and atain form.Lets leave matter-antimatter conversion formulas and holodeck vibrations to a Star Trek thread. We are discussing PEACE in the context of human beings.
This is science, but I guess you just want flowery poetry. I'm sorry, I am not into that.
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Just like the word Nirvana which means Not Moving.Definitions of nirvana on the Web
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NIRVANA - ?extinction? ? the soteriological goal of Buddhism; the final cessation of rebirth into suffering existence.www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Glossary.htm
NIRVANA - in Hindu theory, a condition of happiness arising out of the absolute cessation of desire.
www.willdurant.com/glossary.htm
NIRVANA- the state of enlightenment, in which the causes of rebirth are eliminated;
livingheritage.org/glossary.htmNIRVANA - The state of having extinguished suffering. Nirvana is a spiritual state in which the bonds of existence are cut away. It is held to be an ineffable, indefinable experience.
NIRVANA - Lit. Blowing out. Buddhist term for the 'exti nction' of the ego leading to enlightenment.
www.well.com/user/jct/sageglo.htmSee there is no STILLNESS there Kyle.
Nir=Not Vana= Moving (spanish speakers should be able to see this clearly)
Lote Tree, please visit the following site
http//www.selfknowledge.com/109719.htmWhere you will find "An ideal condition of rest, harmony, stability, or joy." Among much other information. The Western Culture cannot grasp Eastern Spirituality, so I am not suprised by your inability to find what I am saying from a quick browse.
But Kyle why don't you ask youself this question - why do we feel anger at INJUSTICE? perhaps this for another thread?
What makes you assume that everyone FEELS anger at injustice? Does the crooked judge who takes a bribe FEEL anger when they give the injust sentence?
Could it be that our emotions serve a higher purpose?
Absolutely!!! But first they must be made to serve and not rule,thats my point.
ANGER in itself is a DESTRUCTIVE emotion but cultivation of LOVE and COMPASSION will alleivate its effect.
Whatever name you want to call it, it is all ENERGY in MOTION pushing towards something or away from something, it must be made to SERVE, not LEAD.
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When you see beauty, allowing Joy to follow does not cause any problem, so sure, let joy FOLLOW.So when an EMOTION does not cause harm that is OK?
Absolutely, but we have to develop the habit of being at peace in response to any trigger, than we can properly reason if we can allow the energy to follow. I am discussing ORDER here, Hierarchy, Rank!
Kyle that is what I am saying the CULTIVATION and NURTURING of POSITIVE EMOTIONS to minise the effects of the NEGATIVE and joy does not follow JOY FLOWS, IT SWELLS UP
I know, and that is NOT what I am saying. I am saying that we cultivate the response of PEACE to all triggers/events/situations, then we REASON what the proper response is, then we allow the emotions to follow the reason.
You being a student of meditation, I am suprised that you are not grasping what I am saying. No matter what the emotion, one cannot think properly while engaged in the upper chest , rapid breathing, and loss of blood to brain and other vital organs that accompanies EMOTIONS. Just look at people while engaged in SEX, the get very dumb!
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Why? Martial arts master will tell you that if you become emotional you will die. Peace is the foundation.Because that is a NATURAL reaction to danger! To FEEL FEAR. How you deal with FEAR is what your KUNGFU MASTER can teach you.
No, it is correct that we come PRE PROGRAMMED with certain "fight or flight" responses, but the enlightened master will not teach to "deal" with the energy, instead to TRANSCEND it.
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Do you understand the reality behind the statement "stress leads to illness"?Have you heard LAUGHTER IS A GOOD THERAPY FOR STRESS? Again cultivate the postive emotions. Come to terms with the negative.
Sure, the HA Ha Ha sound releases energy from the heart chakra. But how can one laugh if they are shackled by anger?
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The verifyable facts are that when you get emotional, even extreme pleasure, blood leaves the vital organs , therefore causing STARVATION of the organs.LT
So that is the REASON why we should give up FEELING?Brother, you are clearly not paying attention. We dont give up feeling, we just dont let feeling RULE. You have to sit back and OBSERVE what I am saying, not try to give a quick witty response. Respectfully brother.
Kyle why do people do exercise? To keep fit? And excise involves oxygen starvation when you are doing a sprint for example? So exercise is unatural?!
Exercise in moderation is good. But can you see how physical exercise tones the body and allows better blood flow as a result, therefore allowing the nutrients in the blood to get to the vital organs when you are done? However remaining in a tense state (this is what emotions are) does nothing for your healh. Even extreme joy/pleasure. Lottery winners have a high rate of bad health and death.
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Emotional states are not meant to be indulged in.Kyle EMOTIONAL states are natural. Nothing should be indulged in without moderation. But extreme emotions do lead to Catharsis which is beneficial to the growth of that individual.
Emotions are natural SERVANTS, and must be put in thier proper place, as SERVANTS to ADAM. Not as COMMANDERS.
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If a car is coming, yes, the response of fear for fight or flight so you can jump out the way without even thinking is necessary, but if someone is coming to fight you or another situation where you have time to THINK/REASON, then one should be at peace, which send blood to the brain so you can respond intelligently.Kyle the argument is that can't stop FEELING. You come to terms with your feelings. So when you feel anger, you let yourself feel anger but you learn not to take a dagger and stab someone through the heart.
You have not reasoned this through. Does the same thing that makes you "angry" make someone else "angry"?
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Okay, I see the problem here. Let me clarify. Emotions are a natural part of being, yes, but to RESPOND to an event with emotions is NOT NATURAL, it is conditioned.That is the TIME HONOURED TRUTH...
Good! Now go back and see this is what I have been saying all along. The FEELING you keep talking about is the ENERGY in Motion. By ignoring the conditioned responses of emotion, we can change it.
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To starve your vital organs is not natural.Kyle when you do a sprint you starve your vital organs of oxygen and give it a lot of stress!!! So we should stop exercsiing because our vital organs will be starved of oxygen and therefore it is not natural?
What would happen if you kept sprinting for two hours? You would die
The reason we do exercise is because it helps to strengthen the body and burn fat which will help us when we come back to PEACE so that the nutrients we consume can reach all points in the body without raising the blood pressure. So this minimal starving has some benefit. Anger for example has no benefit.
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Peace be upon you Taj,
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No, but thats what happens when your focus is on the ILLUSION of this world, the material world.Taj
The I-L-L-U-S-I-O-N of this world!! Can you explain it, please?I am referring to the physical world, which is a place far away from your Lord. I do not have the time nor space to explain this. However if you read this proclamation(quran), it will explain it to you.
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The PEACE/STILLNESS I am referring to is the opposite polarity of this world, from which we come and will be returned to.The opposite polarity of this world!?
Yes. All things are created in pairs. Light and dark, hot and cold, subjective and objective, etc.
It certainly is a dimension you know nothing about, or do you remember how it was like when you were there!?
When you are dreaming you are not in the physical world, the part of sleeping when you are not dreaming is the subjective realm, where energy/matter is not differentiated into forms, thats why you dont dream during this time, you are at GOD! YOu are joined with the one consciousness.
You even were not when it was there! Also, based on what, can you predict of what will happen to you when you leave this world, or whether it would be opposite or not?
Now, now that we are in this material, real world, who is the one focused on ILLUSION!?I am not knowledgable enough to speak on that at this time, so I will leave you in peace until then.
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Peace be upon you Peaceful Muslim,
And Idolfree, a battered woman doesnt really stay with her partner coz of love though she may say so.......she stays becoz of insecurities(can be any such as financial , social, emotional etc) unless she is a strange woman herself who enjoys being beaten up.
Yes, I understand this perfectly. The reality is that all these differnt names "anger, joy, fear, love, etc" are all just ENERGY. It is ENERGY that is keeping the battered woman there. She calls the energy Love.
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Peace be upon you Elena,
Imagine a person who feels so compassionate towards a criminal that he helps him to escape the justice.
Excellent example!
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Peace be upon you Sawtooth,
I already said the triggers for each person are different
The point cant be made if we are not consistent with the triggers.
and grow and change along with everything else in teh body as we mature. I will concede that even the triggers can be conditioned
Thank you for your honesty. Much respected.
, but not the adrenaline reaction. When one gets scared or even startled, the adrenaline rushes.
Correct, I do not disagree with that.
What I am saying is that each emotion creates it's own reflexive reaction and what we control is how we react to that. BUT you cannot CONTROL that reflexive action, unless you are way into things like biorythms an the such.
Correct, emotions do create reactions. I am not saying we can control the processes that emotions put in place, but we can reprogram our response to the TRIGGERS.