how do we define wrong?
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Peace all. I think 'wrong' can be defined as an act that harms the self or others. It can be intentional or not.(obviously unintentionally means a mistake). The harm can be subjective,depending on who it involves. (eg some people feel pain more or are more sensitive).
With this in mind if someone is harmed by my actions (and they object to my actions)i feel i must consider their perception of being harmed and stop my actions and rectify the situation.(even if i feel im not doing harm). I cannot use the excuses;
'i am in the right,i am justified,i cannot feel your pain,its not that painful,i have a right to do this,or 'the quran/god says i can do this regardless that you claim you are in pain'.
What do you think?
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Peace saladin and all. Whose interpretation? yours,mine,prophets,imams?
People do not even agree on salat,hajj,fasting,multiple wives,hijab,sunnah etc... I thought the quran was clear? Can you explain to me please.
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Peace all. If the quran is soo against idolatry,how come it seems the quran is being turned into an idol?
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HHMM good question. I am not sure there even IS a perfect answer as it all depends on perspective. Is it right to allow a woman only a third or a quarter 9i forget which) of an inheritance? Well depending on the situation possibly yes or no. Culture might define the right and wrong of that one.
I believe there are basic instinctual right and wrongs. Such as preservation of the children and knowing that it is right to feed and cloth them until they are capable of doing so themselves, and I believe there is inherent knowledge that intentionally hurting a child is wrong.
Again, I don't think there can be a distinct answer to something based on perception
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peace
I think no matter what any book says we always know instinctively whether something is right or wrong. Stealing is not always wrong, but we know when it is and when its not. Same with everything else.
If i do something wrong, no matter what anyone says, no matter how many excuses i make to myself, i know deep down that it was wrong. -
peace sawtooth and all. I agree that there is no perfect absolute answer,and relativism,context and culture play a part. But the point im making is we must take into consideration other peoples feelings and opinions to make an informed judgement. (ie not be dogmatic with preconcieved ideas).And that harming self or others is generally wrong regardless of what scriptures are intepreted to say.(ie what happened to common-sense,conscience and good-will to all when interpreting scriptures?)
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peace phoenix. Interesting points in your first post. What i mean with regard to idolatry is that if people are following the quran,why are they seemingly idolising it,(by idolising i mean dogmatically following or reffering to the quran as an infallible authority.) when it states not to?
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What do you think?
I think you are no good news.
how come it seems the quran is being turned into an idol?
I think that is what you would like to think as it does not conform with your ideas of righteousness.
Whose interpretation?
The reading provides directions to the correct means of interpretation.
I thought the quran was clear?
It is to some. To you it is not.
And that harming self or others is generally wrong regardless of what scriptures are intepreted to say.
You are fooling yourself. You're seeking to crap on the reading with weak arguments.
Joe
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I think no matter what any book says we always know instinctively whether something is right or wrong. Stealing is not always wrong, but we know when it is and when its not. Same with everything else.
If i do something wrong, no matter what anyone says, no matter how many excuses i make to myself, i know deep down that it was wrong.Well now, some philosophies would have us believe that stealing is wrong no matter what, and that there is no harmless lie. Again you are forgetting perspective
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Nabi i think you need to take a breath and understand that you have no need to get offensive. Just figure that if your faith is strong enough then no one can crap on it or it's teachings. I believe enquirer is out to challenge people here but since when can that be a bad thing? UNLESS you are afraid your faith is not as strong as you would like people to believe.
Regardless of whether someone has ever read the Koran, one should still be able to have a philosophical discussion based on it's concepts without EVER actually quoting it or even referring to it. That is if your understanding of it's concepts is strong.
Just a little food for thought there
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Peace Sawtooth
This guy is saying the reading is wrong, contradictory and says he is here to learn while he's preaching instead. I do not agree with your post and I think you need to read what this guy is really stating and not get pulled into his so-called philosophical discussion.
Joe
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I know exactly what he is doing and though it is a bit smart assed, I still ask how it can be wrong to have someone challenge your faith? All that can do is make you stronger. he is neither offensive or agressive with how he does it so how can it be wrong. As well, this could be how he hopes to learn. Perhaps he is asking the questions that most confuse him about the religion.
Besides, I was told when i came here that i did not need to be Muslim to take part in discussions so again, I really don't see the problem.
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Peace all . I apololgise if i am coming across as smart assed. My aim is for greater understanding for all. I dont wish to offend nabi or anyone else.
My overall message is more awareness and more peace for all peoples.
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Peace Saw
As well, this could be how he hopes to learn.
Really? He asks questions and all of a sudden finds his answers to his questions. Like is Buddhism better than Traditional Islam and behold yes it is. Is montohiesm wrong? Then he finally lets people know it is what he thinks after he puts out all these arguments that it really is. There is not true learning exerience here for this guy.
I was told when i came here that i did not need to be Muslim to take part in discussions so again, I really don't see the problem.
You do not. Do not confuse the message. I see that you are.
As well, this could be how he hopes to learn. Perhaps he is asking the questions that most confuse him about the religion.
Perhaps you should reread his posts and see how the discussions are geared and how they go.
I've had a discussion with this guy off the forum and he tried to tell me that islam is wrong. He told me that monothiesm is wrong, that the God in the reading is contradictory based on certain criteria .
Joe
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Peace,
My overall message is more awareness and more peace for all peoples
I agree with Joe here...Look, no one is stopping you from asking questions. Ask away. Ask about the God alone stance...ask about the quran...the problem is there are learning questions and then there are your questions.
On so many threads, the same ideas and 'preaching is going on'...the same the quran is not authentic, leave it, look for something better ad nauseum. If that's what you believe and want a debate on...keep it to ONE thread for pete's sakes...why is it all over the place, in almost every thread? That just seems like pushing your agenda with a marketing strategy!
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Peace all . I apololgise if i am coming across as smart assed. My aim is for greater understanding for all.
Is it? Seems to me you've already understood. Maybe your aim is to preach? hmmI also find it interesting that when others comment with an opposing point, they're being offensive, while if it's from 'their party', they are challenging. roll
Peace